4 Mar
2002
4 Mar
'02
8:14 a.m.
We're now in the planning phases for moving Jim Willing's Computer Garage
from Oregon to Kansas. We're currently looking for
the best equipment
option for moving.
Jim says he probably needs a 24 foot truck. He's currently looking at
U-Haul, which is always a cheap solution, but he's stuck right now
hassling with them over some issues from a prior moves where the trucks
broke down (U-Haul trucks are deathtraps on wheels).
There are a few other truck rental places we're going to try to get quotes
from (Ryder is asking around $1,500, we haven't
checked Budget or Penske
yet), but I was wondering if anyone had any other
suggestions?
Jim's original plan was to load the Computer Garage contents into the
truck and then tow his Suburban from the truck. I am suggesting that he
rent or even buy a big trailer and use the Suburban to haul the trailer.
Jim is going to ask some of these places if they will rent trailers one
way (I don't see why not). I think my suggestion to buy a trailer would
be cool if he can't since it may be cheaper than renting a truck, and he
can always use it for other stuff, or sell it when he gets back to Kansas.
Any suggestions are appreciated.
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4 Mar
4 Mar
4:55 p.m.
I used Budget most of the time and if you call 30 day or more in advance
and on a Sunday you get a discount on the everyday price. My last rental
from them was $1024 (without a trailer) most times
it's close to $1200
for 7 days and 1500 free miles for a one way rental. They
way better
trucks than U-haul does and I have rented from them also.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)vintage.org>
To: "Classic Computers Mailing List" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
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Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 1:14 PM
Subject: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR to
Yates Center, KS?
We're now in the planning phases for moving Jim Willing's Computer
Garage
from Oregon to Kansas. We're currently looking
for the best equipment
option for moving.
Jim says he probably needs a 24 foot truck. He's currently looking at
U-Haul, which is always a cheap solution, but he's stuck right now
hassling with them over some issues from a prior moves where the
trucks
broke down (U-Haul trucks are deathtraps on wheels).
There are a few other truck rental places we're going to try to get
quotes
from (Ryder is asking around $1,500, we haven't
checked Budget or
Penske
yet), but I was wondering if anyone had any other
suggestions?
Jim's original plan was to load the Computer Garage contents into the
truck and then tow his Suburban from the truck. I am suggesting that
he
rent or even buy a big trailer and use the Suburban to
haul the
trailer.
Jim is going to ask some of these places if they will
rent trailers
one
way (I don't see why not). I think my suggestion
to buy a trailer
would
be cool if he can't since it may be cheaper than
renting a truck, and
he
can always use it for other stuff, or sell it when he
gets back to
Kansas.
Any suggestions are appreciated.
--
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
Festival
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http://www.vintage.org
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www.VintageTech.com *
4:54 p.m.
New subject: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR to , Yates Center, KS?
I used Budget most of the time and if you call 30 day
or more in advance
and on a Sunday you get a discount on the everyday price. My last rental
from them was $1024 (without a trailer) most times it's close to $1200
for 7 days and 1500 free miles for a one way rental. They way better
trucks than U-haul does and I have rented from them also.
For the record, RCS/RI generally gets Ryder. I have used them as well,
and they are much better than UHaul.
I do not know how much stuff Jim has, or how much time either, but If I
were in the same situation, I would bite the bullet and fly out to Oregon
(the ticket might not be too bad if done in advance) and get a decent
truck one-way.
To save money, he (not sure if he is subscribed to the list) might get a
smaller truck, then pack the remainders for a "partial load" shipment.
There are carriers that will move things quite cheaply, but you might
have to wait a month or two. When I remember thatname of the carrier
(they are used by DoD quite a bit), I will post it.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
5:04 p.m.
New subject: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR to Yates
Jim says he probably needs a 24 foot truck. He's
currently looking at
How many trips is he looking at? Has he already gotten the stuff he had
in his house out there? He had enough stuff in the garage to probably
fill a 24-foot truck, and that doesn't even cover what was in the house
itself!
Zane
5:43 p.m.
New subject: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR to Yates
"Zane H. Healy" wrote:
I say buy a used school bus that is converted to a camper.
1) You can go camping
2) You can move the stuff
3) You have place to live after you moved the stuff.
It is too bad one can't share the truck and have the truck move
across the country with computers. There must be a lot of computers
on the east and west coasts that have to move inland and from one
side of the country to the other. Too bad you can't ship rail anymore.
--
Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu *
www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
Jim says he probably needs a 24 foot truck.
He's currently looking at
How many trips is he looking at? Has he already gotten the stuff he had
in his house out there? He had enough stuff in the garage to probably
fill a 24-foot truck, and that doesn't even cover what was in the house
itself! 
5 Mar
5 Mar
2:39 a.m.
New subject: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR to Yates
At 09:43 PM 3/4/02 -0700, you wrote:
>
> > Jim says he probably needs a 24 foot truck. He's currently looking at
>
Check with a trucking company and see how much they'd charge just to
haul a load after you pack and load it. A friend of mine recently moved
from Orlando to Northern NY state and took a
**complete** machine shop with
him. The moving companies wanted a fortune
(~$100,000) to move it and it
would have taken at least half a dozen large U-haul trucks. He talked to a
local trucking company and made deal with them just to haul the stuff after
we packed and loaded it. We had already packed most of the tooling a such
into crates and strapped them onto pallets ahead of time but the really big
stuff, such as the 16" x 5 foot (bed size!) lathe had to be loaded directly
into the turck. The company brought out a ~58 foot trailor and parked it
next to his place on Friday. When loading day came (Saturday) my friend
rented a three wheel forklift with ballon tires (we were working out of a
yard and an open field so there was no pavement). We used the forklift to
load all the pallets and then the machines. We got everything loaded in
about 6 hours. The truckers came back two days later (Monday) and picked up
the trailor and took it straight to NY. It arrived less than 24 hours after
it left his place. In NY they had a garage with a paved driveway to put it
into and a forklift there and waiting when the truck arrived. They had
everything unloaded and the truck was out of there in less than a hour.
IIRC my buddy paid the trucking company $1800 to haul the load. As it
turned out, it was a bargain! Everything arrived intact and he had zero
problems with the move itself. A moving company would have kept the stuff
around while they tried to combine loads and such and invariably something
what have been lost or stolen.
I know a 58' truck doesn't sound that much bigger than a 24' truck but it
will haul a LOT more! First, it's designed to carry 60,000 pounds or more
and not 6,000 like a U-haul truck. Plus the body is a lot wider, our's was
slightly over 8 feet wide instead of the <6' for a U-Haul. Plus the ceiling
is MUCH higher. I don't know exacly how tall the big trailor was but it was
well over 8'. Finally, the driver is a trained and professional truck
driver so you don't have to try and learn how to drive it as you go! And
that also leaves you free to drive your own automobile to your destination.
My buddy was going to have to ship one auto. I think the charge for that
alone was a much as the truck cost.
Joe
4 Mar
4 Mar
8:21 p.m.
New subject: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR to Yates
On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Zane H. Healy wrote:
How many trips is he looking at? Has he already
gotten the stuff he had
in his house out there? He had enough stuff in the garage to probably
fill a 24-foot truck, and that doesn't even cover what was in the house
itself!
As far as I know, the only thing left to move is the one storage unit in
Beaverton, which Jim said should take one trip with a 24' truck.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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6:37 p.m.
On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
We're now in the planning phases for moving Jim
Willing's Computer
Garage from Oregon to Kansas. We're currently looking for the best
equipment option for moving.
Any suggestions are appreciated.
(0) If you use a trailer, you had better watch the weather forecast.
We're beginning the severe storm season in this part of the country.
Finding a long, dry period may be difficult.
(1) Most truck rental agencies only rent lift-gate trucks round trip.
(2) Trucks will provide more bracing and/or places to tie rope to.
(3) If you get a truck, don't forget the insurance.
(4) Also, don't run a strict schedule. Things will go wrong.
(5) U-haul AFAIK does not have lift-gate trucks.
(6) Have two people. Switch off driving duty every 3 hours. Bring an ice
chest and supplies to make meals as you drive.
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
7:04 p.m.
New subject: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR to , Yates Center, KS?
(0) If you use a trailer, you had better watch the
weather forecast.
We're beginning the severe storm season in this part of the country.
Finding a long, dry period may be difficult.
If things need to go on an unprotected trailer (big things, not lots of
little boxes), industrial shrinkwrap will make a very nice, weatherproof
caccoon. The trick is to use a *lot* of shrinkwrap (AT LEAST 8 layers in
all spots) and lots of good tape when the wrapping is done (tape does not
do much for the weatherproofing, it is more for holding the shrinkwrap
together while driving). This caccoon is good for several weeks, at least,
but I recommend that it be removed as soon as possible.
I have moved dozens of large things on my flatbed, all tucked-up in
shrinkwrap, and have never had a problem - even in poring rain and snow.
It also keeps all of the loose nuts and bolts that rattle around on the
trailer, and not the Interstate.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
8:09 p.m.
On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote:
Unless you know how to drive a trailer in a rainstorm. Some of us do.
Garage from
Oregon to Kansas. We're currently looking for the best
equipment option for moving.
Any suggestions are appreciated.
(0) If you use a trailer, you had better watch the weather forecast.
We're beginning the severe storm season in this part of the country.
Finding a long, dry period may be difficult. (2) Trucks will provide more bracing and/or places to
tie rope to.
A lot of the heavier equipment out there will break the strapping on a
rental truck.
(4) Also, don't run a strict schedule. Things
will go wrong.
Definitely. Things *will* go wrong.
(6) Have two people. Switch off driving duty every 3
hours. Bring an ice
chest and supplies to make meals as you drive.
I tend to stop a lot (every 300 miles or so) on long (1000+ mi.) treks.
Peace... Sridhar
8:26 p.m.
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Julius Sridhar wrote:
Right. Don't tie huge cabinets off with one rope. Use very liberal
amounts of rope, and tie off in as many places as you can to distribute
the force. Know how to tie good knots like the bowline, and tie rope as
tightly as possible. Pad cabinets (see below) where rope makes corners;
this protects both the cabinet and the rope.
Another suggestion. Go to Home Depot or an equivalent store and purchase
many rolls of carpet padding. It tears easily into decently regular
shapes, and is not totally resistant to packing tape. It is also
reusable. Before you tie up cabinets, use packing tape to hang sheets of
carpet padding over the sides of cabinets. If you're short on padding,
just pad the parts of cabinets that touch other things. Carpet padding
also makes nice mats for smaller things like RL02 drives, etc.
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
(2) Trucks
will provide more bracing and/or places to tie rope to.
A lot of the heavier equipment out there will break the strapping on a
rental truck.
7:33 p.m.
Penske's always a good bet. Their trucks are superbly maintained, and
I've hauled multiple tons of computer goodies in them.
Peace... Sridhar
On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:14:29 +0000 (UTC)
From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)vintage.org>
Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
To: Classic Computers Mailing List <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Cc: jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com
Subject: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton,
OR to Yates Center, KS?
We're now in the planning phases for moving Jim Willing's Computer Garage
from Oregon to Kansas. We're currently looking for the best equipment
option for moving.
Jim says he probably needs a 24 foot truck. He's currently looking at
U-Haul, which is always a cheap solution, but he's stuck right now
hassling with them over some issues from a prior moves where the trucks
broke down (U-Haul trucks are deathtraps on wheels).
There are a few other truck rental places we're going to try to get quotes
from (Ryder is asking around $1,500, we haven't checked Budget or Penske
yet), but I was wondering if anyone had any other suggestions?
Jim's original plan was to load the Computer Garage contents into the
truck and then tow his Suburban from the truck. I am suggesting that he
rent or even buy a big trailer and use the Suburban to haul the trailer.
Jim is going to ask some of these places if they will rent trailers one
way (I don't see why not). I think my suggestion to buy a trailer would
be cool if he can't since it may be cheaper than renting a truck, and he
can always use it for other stuff, or sell it when he gets back to Kansas.
Any suggestions are appreciated.
--
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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8:59 p.m.
I think from a cost point of view, the trailer is the
best option. You are not paying by the mile and
you don't have to be in a great hurry to get it back
after you reach your destination. A suburban is
an ideal tow vehicle. If you need more room then
I would arrange an additional car/trailer combo
and run a mini "convoy". Make sure and have a cb
radio in both vehicles so you can chat. Kinda fun,
don't you think?
On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 07:14:29PM +0000, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
We're now in the planning phases for moving Jim Willing's Computer Garage
from Oregon to Kansas. We're currently looking for the best equipment
option for moving.
<<snip>>
--
Bill
Amsterdam, NL
5 Mar
5 Mar
3:01 a.m.
Gunther Schadow suggested Penske to me for our Madison move, and the base
rate on a 25 footer was about 300 dollars cheaper than U-Haul.I haven't
had any problems with U-Haul equipment out here at all.Sometimes it's a
little beat, but usually seems to run well. Penske's truck was a Gas
GMC, and it had no air brakes. Try and get a diesel air braked job. The
gas trucks are very thirsty and they don't like to stop. Mileage is
unlimited on one ways with Penske also.
On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
We're now in the planning phases for moving Jim Willing's Computer Garage
from Oregon to Kansas. We're currently looking for the best equipment
option for moving.
Jim says he probably needs a 24 foot truck. He's currently looking at
U-Haul, which is always a cheap solution, but he's stuck right now
hassling with them over some issues from a prior moves where the trucks
broke down (U-Haul trucks are deathtraps on wheels).
There are a few other truck rental places we're going to try to get quotes
from (Ryder is asking around $1,500, we haven't checked Budget or Penske
yet), but I was wondering if anyone had any other suggestions?
Jim's original plan was to load the Computer Garage contents into the
truck and then tow his Suburban from the truck. I am suggesting that he
rent or even buy a big trailer and use the Suburban to haul the trailer.
Jim is going to ask some of these places if they will rent trailers one
way (I don't see why not). I think my suggestion to buy a trailer would
be cool if he can't since it may be cheaper than renting a truck, and he
can always use it for other stuff, or sell it when he gets back to Kansas.
Any suggestions are appreciated.
--
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
6:12 a.m.
New subject: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton,OR to Yates Center, KS?
"Merle K. Peirce" wrote:
...
little beat, but usually seems to run well.
Penske's truck was a Gas
GMC, and it had no air brakes. Try and get a diesel air braked job. The
gas trucks are very thirsty and they don't like to stop. Mileage is
Careful with air brakes: these tend to respond in a deferred manner, and
if you aren't used to this, you will push harder on the pedal, so when
the brakes engage, they will do better than you want them to.
The first time I had to drive a truck with air brakes (a truck large
enough so you aren't required to wear seat belts in Germany), I was
accompanied by two guys of about 250 pounds each. When I was struck by
the effect of deferred but amplified brakes, both of them were on their
way towards the windscreen: a great view from my seat, but their next
words weren't quite as great... ;-)
--
Andreas Freiherr
Vishay Semiconductor GmbH, Heilbronn, Germany
http://www.vishay.com
12:06 p.m.
New subject: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton,OR to Yates Center, KS?
I drove coaches for 25 years, I'm well familiar with airbrakes. The
Penske hydrovac brakes definitely left a lot to be desired.
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Andreas Freiherr wrote:
"Merle K. Peirce" wrote:
...
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
little beat, but usually seems to run well.
Penske's truck was a Gas
GMC, and it had no air brakes. Try and get a diesel air braked job. The
gas trucks are very thirsty and they don't like to stop. Mileage is
Careful with air brakes: these tend to respond in a deferred manner, and
if you aren't used to this, you will push harder on the pedal, so when
the brakes engage, they will do better than you want them to.
The first time I had to drive a truck with air brakes (a truck large
enough so you aren't required to wear seat belts in Germany), I was
accompanied by two guys of about 250 pounds each. When I was struck by
the effect of deferred but amplified brakes, both of them were on their
way towards the windscreen: a great view from my seat, but their next
words weren't quite as great... ;-)
--
Andreas Freiherr
Vishay Semiconductor GmbH, Heilbronn, Germany
http://www.vishay.com
9:18 p.m.
Well I did this move last summer. 2000 mi from Toronto to north-central
Manitoba. I used a 17' UHaul and an 8' enclosed trailer. It cost me about
Can$2500 for rental and fuel. That didn't include other incidental costs.
I researched the move for options, fairly extensively, and the UHaul choice
was the cheapest option available to me. In the US there might be other
choices. In Toronto Ryder would only rent one-way long-distance if you were
a company. Budget wouldn't do one-way at all. Shared load costs were
prohibitive. I considered buying a truck and selling it at the other end but the
outlay would have been too much for my budget.
I got the truck at 4pm Fri. and loaded alone until 9pm when my son finished
work. We loaded until about 8am Sat when it became obvious that the truck
wouldn't fit it all. I had reserved an auto transporter trailer to tote my car with
and they allowed me to change that to the 8'foot trailer. After picking up the
trailer we crashed for about 3 hrs. and finished at around 10pm that evening.
The loading time was long because we were moving it out of a basement
apartment with narrow doors and of the necessity of jamming all the stuff in
yet having it protected. And as a one-time roadie and before that an express
truck loader I am able to get 10lbs of Sh-- into a 5 lb box.
I arranged to leave my car for later pick-up.
I wanted to get out of Toronto at night before sleeping so I would avoid the
long weekend (July 1) traffic, and left right away. The first instance of what
was to come happened when I entered the expressway and a dip in the
road caused the truck to go into a booga-loo and I thought it was going to
turn over. I think the only reason it didn't was because of the weight of the
trailer. I had to almost stop before it ceased. It continued to do that the whole
trip, only I got better at avoiding dips and controlling the sway. Needless to
say I had no chance to admire the scenery. It was exhausting.
Lesson 1. Don't use the mother's pantry above the cab for heavy objects,
such as a record collection or books, no matter how convenient it seems.
Since I was alone and with the lack of space in the jammed truck and trailer
unloading and redistributing wasn't an option.
I arrived at the other end Mon nite and after a good nites sleep had a
comparatively easy main floor unload using a 2 wheeler and the built in ramp.
A tailgate lift would have taken twice as long. Good 2 and 4 wheel dollies are
a must. I have loaded pianos using a ramp and lots of manpower.
I returned the Uhauls Wed., took a bus back to Toronto and then drove the
car back. All in all a promethian task. Took me a week to recover.
If you go the UHaul route make sure they allow you plenty of time for
loading, unloading, and travel. Consider a motel for at least one night midway,
a good nights sleep in a bed does wonders to regain your strength.
Add a bit of space in your estimates, awkward shapes and fragile goods
take more room.
When loading leave the least valued till last. You might have to abandon
some of it. I still regret having to leave the Supermac monitor but not the
old clones.
If you're moving the next few months remember that late winter snow storms
can happen in the mountains and on the prairies. It's no picnic driving a
heavily loaded truck on icy roads when you aren't used to it.
Good luck
Lawrence
We're now in the planning phases for moving Jim Willing's Computer Garage
from Oregon to Kansas. We're currently looking for the best equipment
option for moving.
Jim says he probably needs a 24 foot truck. He's currently looking at
U-Haul, which is always a cheap solution, but he's stuck right now
hassling with them over some issues from a prior moves where the trucks
broke down (U-Haul trucks are deathtraps on wheels).
There are a few other truck rental places we're going to try to get quotes
from (Ryder is asking around $1,500, we haven't checked Budget or Penske
yet), but I was wondering if anyone had any other suggestions?
Jim's original plan was to load the Computer Garage contents into the
truck and then tow his Suburban from the truck. I am suggesting that he
rent or even buy a big trailer and use the Suburban to haul the trailer.
Jim is going to ask some of these places if they will rent trailers one
way (I don't see why not). I think my suggestion to buy a trailer would
be cool if he can't since it may be cheaper than renting a truck, and he
can always use it for other stuff, or sell it when he gets back to Kansas.
Any suggestions are appreciated.
--
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Reply to: lgwalker(a)mts.net
Love of the Goddess makes the poet go mad
he goes to his death and in death is made wise.
Robert Graves
11:38 a.m.
I haven't done U-Haul since 1979, for apparent reasons.
First, get a diesel truck. Mileage is much better; gas engines only get
about 5 mpg and the trucks might do 50 mph flat out.
Second, have a partner to trade off on driving. You'd be amazed how
tiring driving a truck at 50 mph can be. And take plenty of breaks.
You'll have to when you get gas/fuel.
Good luck . . let us know when things are set up down there, I may make
a road trip south to see the goodies . . . . .
Gary Hildebrand
St. Joseph, MO
11:29 a.m.
New subject: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR to Yates Center, KS?
Rumor has it that Gary Hildebrand may have mentioned these words:
I haven't done U-Haul since 1979, for apparent
reasons.
First, get a diesel truck. Mileage is much better; gas engines only get
about 5 mpg and the trucks might do 50 mph flat out.
This is good advice... except... no offense, but judging from your
location, you prolly never tried to start a big-honkin' diesel engine when
the temps dip below freezing... ;-)
If you're going to do the hauling in the northern latitudes during the late
fall/winter/early spring months, get a gasoline engine -- nothing sucks
worse than getting a late start the next day because that ^*$%&$^ diesel
won't start in the cold... it pretty much sets the mood for the rest of the
day...
Or... be prepared. Be sure to pack:
1) 1 each big honkin' belly-pan heater (the bottom 12-14 inches of a
55-gallon drum works great),
2) *lots* of charcoal & charcoal starter,
3) *lots* of tarps to shroud the truck so the heat doesn't get whisked away
by the wind,
4) an early start - it'll still take a little while to warm things up, but
at least it's not a lot of work [read: go out; start big fire; go back in
to stay warm & rest/eat breakfast/plan your days travels/whatever; go back
out an hour later & start up the truck; then extinguish fire & wait 5-10
minutes for the cooker to cool & the truck to warm up.]
Otherwise, yes... diesel is the way to go.
[[ my dad's a OTR trucker, hauling machinery & equipment, and we live on
the Canadian border... that reason (and that frieght sucks) is why my dad
usually takes January & February off...)
Second, have a partner to trade off on driving.
You'd be amazed how
tiring driving a truck at 50 mph can be. And take plenty of breaks.
You'll have to when you get gas/fuel.
If you don't have a partner, take *even* more breaks... not having someone
to talk to makes the trip much harder to deal with, and you will get
fatigued much quicker if you're not accustomed to that sort of thing.
Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
12:26 p.m.
I hate getting started early in the cold anyway! Isn't that what ether's
for, anyway? Only yuppies use glow plugs. :)
I remember getting our old coaches going when it was bitterly cold. Lots
of either, batteries that sounded half dead, then a rattle and a start,
the old Detroits chugged away until they were warm, and lef tan exhaust
trail like a cra. Of course, the next worry is th air system so be sure
the tanks are drained and crarry alcohol.
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Roger Merchberger wrote:
Rumor has it that Gary Hildebrand may have mentioned
these words:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
I haven't done U-Haul since 1979, for apparent
reasons.
First, get a diesel truck. Mileage is much better; gas engines only get
about 5 mpg and the trucks might do 50 mph flat out.
This is good advice... except... no offense, but judging from your
location, you prolly never tried to start a big-honkin' diesel engine when
the temps dip below freezing... ;-)
If you're going to do the hauling in the northern latitudes during the late
fall/winter/early spring months, get a gasoline engine -- nothing sucks
worse than getting a late start the next day because that ^*$%&$^ diesel
won't start in the cold... it pretty much sets the mood for the rest of the
day...
Or... be prepared. Be sure to pack:
1) 1 each big honkin' belly-pan heater (the bottom 12-14 inches of a
55-gallon drum works great),
2) *lots* of charcoal & charcoal starter,
3) *lots* of tarps to shroud the truck so the heat doesn't get whisked away
by the wind,
4) an early start - it'll still take a little while to warm things up, but
at least it's not a lot of work [read: go out; start big fire; go back in
to stay warm & rest/eat breakfast/plan your days travels/whatever; go back
out an hour later & start up the truck; then extinguish fire & wait 5-10
minutes for the cooker to cool & the truck to warm up.]
Otherwise, yes... diesel is the way to go.
[[ my dad's a OTR trucker, hauling machinery & equipment, and we live on
the Canadian border... that reason (and that frieght sucks) is why my dad
usually takes January & February off...)
Second, have a partner to trade off on driving.
You'd be amazed how
tiring driving a truck at 50 mph can be. And take plenty of breaks.
You'll have to when you get gas/fuel.
If you don't have a partner, take *even* more breaks... not having someone
to talk to makes the trip much harder to deal with, and you will get
fatigued much quicker if you're not accustomed to that sort of thing.
Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
1:11 p.m.
New subject: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR to Yates Center, KS?
Rumor has it that Merle K. Peirce may have mentioned these words:
I hate getting started early in the cold anyway! Isn't that what ether's
for, anyway? Only yuppies use glow plugs. :)
Only if you don't own the truck!!! ;-P Ether is *very* hard on diesel
engines -- with regular use, it drops the life expectancy of the engine by
over 50%, and the more you use it, the harder starting the engine becomes,
so you need more ether, so it starts even harder...
It's a viscious cycle...
My dad runs nuthin' but Cummins Big-Cam (had a II, a IV, and a V, methinks)
and has had great luck with 'em - but he takes damn good care of 'em.
[read: never uses ether]
To bring this back on-topic[ish] - don't buy a Kenworth (KW) - the
computers in them really *suck*. 'Course, they're not 10 years old...
they're prolly Pentiums... ;-)
Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
1:19 p.m.
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Merle K. Peirce wrote:
I hate getting started early in the cold anyway!
Isn't that what ether's
for, anyway? Only yuppies use glow plugs. :)
We had electric heater dipsticks for the auxiliary light-plants on my
drilling rigs. Kept the oil, crankcase and block heated to about 55-60F
even in sub-zero weather.
Not that you could do this on the road, but I've also been able to
start mud-pumps (Cat 379 power-plants) by warming a drum of oil for an
hour in the heated doghouse and doing an oil change. It's really the
viscosity of the cold oil that makes a deisel hard to start, more than
the temperature of the cylinders.
I remember getting our old coaches going when it was
bitterly cold. Lots
of either, batteries that sounded half dead, then a rattle and a start,
the old Detroits chugged away until they were warm, and lef tan exhaust
trail like a cra. Of course, the next worry is th air system so be sure
the tanks are drained and crarry alcohol.
Oh, yeah. And don't store the alcohol next to the doghouse heater.
This is on-topic. I quit roughnecking well over 10 years ago. :o)
Doc
1:41 p.m.
New subject: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR to Yates Center, KS?
We had electric heater dipsticks for the auxiliary
light-plants on my
drilling rigs. Kept the oil, crankcase and block heated to about 55-60F
even in sub-zero weather.
We had a 200-ton 'boat' that had 4 large MTU engines in it
and during the winter we had to take turns going around and checking
the block temp. hourly, sometimes starting them nearly as often.
There were some nights where the block heaters just couldn't keep the
temps up enough so we'd have to run them for 10-15 minutes at a pop
to bring the temp back up. It was a SES so two of the engines were
for lift-fans while the larger two were the main's hooked to
waterjets.
A cool thing about this boat was that it had a GPS system
hooked to a Mac of some sort housed in a custom cabinet with a 21"
monitor. The GPS data would be overlaid on graphics of the area the
boat was in and you could zoom in or out as much as you wanted for
whatever level of detail you needed. It came in pretty handy during
a run along the coast from Maryland to Florida and back. This was
back in '93 so the Mac was still a 68k variety.
Jeff
--
Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.cchaven.com
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
2:14 p.m.
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Doc wrote:
We had electric heater dipsticks for the auxiliary
light-plants on my
drilling rigs. Kept the oil, crankcase and block heated to about 55-60F
even in sub-zero weather.
This is on-topic. I quit roughnecking well over 10 years ago. :o)
How many Pentiums does it take to warm a diesel engine?
2:56 p.m.
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Doc wrote:
483 Intel 54C, 82 AMD K-6 or 1 Cyrix 686....
Doc
We had electric heater dipsticks for the
auxiliary light-plants on my
drilling rigs. Kept the oil, crankcase and block heated to about 55-60F
even in sub-zero weather.
This is on-topic. I quit roughnecking well over 10 years ago. :o)
How many Pentiums does it take to warm a diesel engine? 
10:25 a.m.
New subject: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR t
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:56:42 -0600 (CST)
From: Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR to
Yates Center, KS?
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
Later cyrix 686L is too cold.
Or athlon 2100 XP, healthy 70W of heat in tiny area.
What about hooking up cray XP to heat that oil and crank away the
statras data and heat up that diesel's oil in the process?
footnote:
Bush pilots withdraw their engine oil and keep it indoors.
Heat it up and fill engine w/ hot oil just before aircraft's engine
startup.
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Doc wrote:
483 Intel 54C, 82 AMD K-6 or 1 Cyrix 686.... We had electric heater dipsticks for the
auxiliary light-plants on my
drilling rigs. Kept the oil, crankcase and block heated to about 55-60F
even in sub-zero weather.
This is on-topic. I quit roughnecking well over 10 years ago. :o)
How many Pentiums does it take to warm a diesel engine? Doc
Cheers,
Wizard
3:53 p.m.
New subject: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR t
jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
footnote:
Bush pilots withdraw their engine oil and keep it indoors.
Heat it up and fill engine w/ hot oil just before aircraft's engine
startup.
Next you'll be telling me they cook french fries in the hot oil too.
--
Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu *
www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
6 Mar
6 Mar
11:13 p.m.
New subject: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, OR t
No. Just fish and bannock.
Lawrence
jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
Reply to: lgwalker(a)mts.net
Love of the Goddess makes the poet go mad
he goes to his death and in death is made wise.
Robert Graves
footnote:
Bush pilots withdraw their engine oil and keep it indoors.
Heat it up and fill engine w/ hot oil just before aircraft's engine
startup.
Next you'll be telling me they cook french fries in the hot oil too.
--
Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu *
www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
1:57 p.m.
New subject: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, ORto Yates Center, KS?
Roger Merchberger wrote:
Rumor has it that Gary Hildebrand may have mentioned these words:
I have driven diesel engines as a personal vehicle for 170k miles.
There are tricks to get them started.
I haven't done U-Haul since 1979, for apparent
reasons.
First, get a diesel truck. Mileage is much better; gas engines only get
about 5 mpg and the trucks might do 50 mph flat out.
This is good advice... except... no offense, but judging from your
location, you prolly never tried to start a big-honkin' diesel engine when
the temps dip below freezing... ;-)
If you're going to do the hauling in the northern latitudes during the late
fall/winter/early spring months, get a gasoline engine -- nothing sucks
worse than getting a late start the next day because that ^*$%&$^ diesel
won't start in the cold... it pretty much sets the mood for the rest of the
day...
Or... be prepared. Be sure to pack:
1) 1 each big honkin' belly-pan heater (the bottom 12-14 inches of a
55-gallon drum works great),
2) *lots* of charcoal & charcoal starter,
3) *lots* of tarps to shroud the truck so the heat doesn't get whisked away
by the wind,
4) an early start - it'll still take a little while to warm things up, but
at least it's not a lot of work [read: go out; start big fire; go back in
to stay warm & rest/eat breakfast/plan your days travels/whatever; go back
out an hour later & start up the truck; then extinguish fire & wait 5-10
minutes for the cooker to cool & the truck to warm up.]
One thing that works rather well is an ordinary hand held air dryer,
stuck into the intake manifold. Spraying WD40 works quite well too.
And a lot less effort.
Otherwise, yes... diesel is the way to go.
[[ my dad's a OTR trucker, hauling machinery & equipment, and we live on
the Canadian border... that reason (and that frieght sucks) is why my dad
usually takes January & February off...)
Merch, learning about the diesel's quirks is the best way to work with
them, just like learning a different o/s on a computer. If more people
had learned about the diesels back in the early 80's, we'd see many more
on the highways today. And if diesels were so bad, why don't OTR trucks
go to them??? 'nuff said.
Gary Hildebrand diesel lover
St. Joseph, MO
Second, have a partner to trade off on driving.
You'd be amazed how
tiring driving a truck at 50 mph can be. And take plenty of breaks.
You'll have to when you get gas/fuel.
If you don't have a partner, take *even* more breaks... not having someone
to talk to makes the trip much harder to deal with, and you will get
fatigued much quicker if you're not accustomed to that sort of thing.
Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
1:59 p.m.
New subject: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, ORto Yates Center, KS?
Rumor has it that Gary Hildebrand may have mentioned these words:
I have driven diesel engines as a personal vehicle for
170k miles.
There are tricks to get them started.
[snip]
One thing that works rather well is an ordinary hand
held air dryer,
stuck into the intake manifold. Spraying WD40 works quite well too.
And a lot less effort.
For those who think we're getting into a pissing match, I see this as a
serious, but amicable discussion.... That said...
Those techniques are great, unless it's a 500HP engine you're trying to get
started... I've been around my dad and helped him start, fix, grease,
change tires, etc. his trucks for several *million* miles as a vehicle that
"if it don't run, we don't eat..."
Trying to get that big of an engine that *doesn't* want to start takes a
*lot* more than a hairdryer & a squirt of WD40... [ Oh, did I mention the 4
*big honkin'* batteries? ;-) ]
Merch, learning about the diesel's quirks is the
best way to work with
them, just like learning a different o/s on a computer. If more people
had learned about the diesels back in the early 80's, we'd see many more
on the highways today. And if diesels were so bad, why don't OTR trucks
go to them??? 'nuff said.
I never said diesels are bad -- I just said that they don't start for $*it
in the cold, especially if they have a big engine... And the thread started
about people who'd prolly never run a diesel before, and would only run it
for a weekend or maybe a week - by the time the started learning the
quirks, they'd have gotten a *big* education, then arrived at their
destination.
Oh, and if you wanna pull hindsight into the fray, the biggest reason we
aren't all burning ethanol/methanol is because Congress said "it would take
20 years to change the infrastructure" during the big oil crunch of '73...
The work would have been finished almost 10 years ago, and it pollutes one
helluva lot less than diesel or gasoline...
There's nothing better than waking up, getting out of the cab of your truck
at the truckstop at 6 a.m., and taking in a big breath of diesel fumes --
still one of my favorite smells. (Honest - I'm not joking!) but that's why
most truckers from the northern parts either 1) shut down their truck for 2
months, or 2) stick to the southern states...
Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
2:47 p.m.
New subject: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, ORto Yates Center, KS?
[ complete and total snippage about starting diesels ]
I don't know *anything* about big diesels, but I remember leaving lit cans
of Sterno under the Mercedes 220D on the 20 below nights... Why block
heaters aren't a factory default on the Benz, I'll never know.
--John
10:25 a.m.
New subject: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, ORt
From: "John Chris Wren"
<jcwren(a)jcwren.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Subject: RE: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, ORto Yates
Center, KS?
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:47:37 -0500
Importance: Normal
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[ complete and total snippage about starting diesels
]
I don't know *anything* about big diesels, but I remember leaving lit cans
of Sterno under the Mercedes 220D on the 20 below nights... Why block
heaters aren't a factory default on the Benz, I'll never know.
--John
On friend's 1968 Mercedes 300D 5 cylinders w/ uneven injector box
(throbbing idle), started fine at -15C midnight stone cold
with help from glow plugs.
Diesel is the way to go for best diesel milage. Too efficient
burn that you don't have any heat left over to play with especially
at no to low loads. On newer diesel cars, crank heat up full,
heaters in coolent passages kicks in.
Cheers,
Wizard
4:16 p.m.
New subject: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, ORt
Sadly, though, glow plugs do little to keep the oil thin enough to keep
from really hard cold starts. Especially back in the
old days when
multi-weight oils really weren't. It always cranked, that
wasn't a problem.
It was tearing up the cylinder walls until the molasses, er, oil could be
circulated.
--John
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Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 16:25 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, ORt
From: "John Chris Wren"
<jcwren(a)jcwren.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Subject: RE: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from
Beaverton, ORto
Yates Center, KS?
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:47:37 -0500
Importance: Normal
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[ complete and total snippage about starting
diesels ]
I don't know *anything* about big diesels, but I remember
leaving lit cans
of Sterno under the Mercedes 220D on the 20 below
nights... Why block
heaters aren't a factory default on the Benz, I'll never know.
--John
On friend's 1968 Mercedes 300D 5 cylinders w/ uneven injector box
(throbbing idle), started fine at -15C midnight stone cold
with help from glow plugs.
Diesel is the way to go for best diesel milage. Too efficient
burn that you don't have any heat left over to play with especially
at no to low loads. On newer diesel cars, crank heat up full,
heaters in coolent passages kicks in.
Cheers,
Wizard
3:09 p.m.
New subject: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, ORto Yates Center, KS?
Yes, diesels don't like cold weather, and getting them started can be
nasty, tow starting a vehicle that size is a pisser. On the other hand,
they'll usually fire in 4-5 feet.
I've heard that WD-40 is better than ether, but...our TDNM4509's and
%106's had ether cups from the factory. And while the 671 is usually
500HP, it is a pretty good sized beast.
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Roger Merchberger wrote:
Rumor has it that Gary Hildebrand may have mentioned
these words:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
I have driven diesel engines as a personal vehicle
for 170k miles.
There are tricks to get them started.
[snip]
One thing that works rather well is an ordinary
hand held air dryer,
stuck into the intake manifold. Spraying WD40 works quite well too.
And a lot less effort.
For those who think we're getting into a pissing match, I see this as a
serious, but amicable discussion.... That said...
Those techniques are great, unless it's a 500HP engine you're trying to get
started... I've been around my dad and helped him start, fix, grease,
change tires, etc. his trucks for several *million* miles as a vehicle that
"if it don't run, we don't eat..."
Trying to get that big of an engine that *doesn't* want to start takes a
*lot* more than a hairdryer & a squirt of WD40... [ Oh, did I mention the 4
*big honkin'* batteries? ;-) ]
Merch, learning about the diesel's quirks is
the best way to work with
them, just like learning a different o/s on a computer. If more people
had learned about the diesels back in the early 80's, we'd see many more
on the highways today. And if diesels were so bad, why don't OTR trucks
go to them??? 'nuff said.
I never said diesels are bad -- I just said that they don't start for $*it
in the cold, especially if they have a big engine... And the thread started
about people who'd prolly never run a diesel before, and would only run it
for a weekend or maybe a week - by the time the started learning the
quirks, they'd have gotten a *big* education, then arrived at their
destination.
Oh, and if you wanna pull hindsight into the fray, the biggest reason we
aren't all burning ethanol/methanol is because Congress said "it would take
20 years to change the infrastructure" during the big oil crunch of '73...
The work would have been finished almost 10 years ago, and it pollutes one
helluva lot less than diesel or gasoline...
There's nothing better than waking up, getting out of the cab of your truck
at the truckstop at 6 a.m., and taking in a big breath of diesel fumes --
still one of my favorite smells. (Honest - I'm not joking!) but that's why
most truckers from the northern parts either 1) shut down their truck for 2
months, or 2) stick to the southern states...
Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
3:10 p.m.
New subject: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, ORto Yates Center, KS?
And yes, the smell of a diesel firing off in the morning is pleasant.
Remember the bumpersticker "Diesel smoke makes me..."
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Roger Merchberger wrote:
Rumor has it that Gary Hildebrand may have mentioned
these words:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
I have driven diesel engines as a personal vehicle
for 170k miles.
There are tricks to get them started.
[snip]
One thing that works rather well is an ordinary
hand held air dryer,
stuck into the intake manifold. Spraying WD40 works quite well too.
And a lot less effort.
For those who think we're getting into a pissing match, I see this as a
serious, but amicable discussion.... That said...
Those techniques are great, unless it's a 500HP engine you're trying to get
started... I've been around my dad and helped him start, fix, grease,
change tires, etc. his trucks for several *million* miles as a vehicle that
"if it don't run, we don't eat..."
Trying to get that big of an engine that *doesn't* want to start takes a
*lot* more than a hairdryer & a squirt of WD40... [ Oh, did I mention the 4
*big honkin'* batteries? ;-) ]
Merch, learning about the diesel's quirks is
the best way to work with
them, just like learning a different o/s on a computer. If more people
had learned about the diesels back in the early 80's, we'd see many more
on the highways today. And if diesels were so bad, why don't OTR trucks
go to them??? 'nuff said.
I never said diesels are bad -- I just said that they don't start for $*it
in the cold, especially if they have a big engine... And the thread started
about people who'd prolly never run a diesel before, and would only run it
for a weekend or maybe a week - by the time the started learning the
quirks, they'd have gotten a *big* education, then arrived at their
destination.
Oh, and if you wanna pull hindsight into the fray, the biggest reason we
aren't all burning ethanol/methanol is because Congress said "it would take
20 years to change the infrastructure" during the big oil crunch of '73...
The work would have been finished almost 10 years ago, and it pollutes one
helluva lot less than diesel or gasoline...
There's nothing better than waking up, getting out of the cab of your truck
at the truckstop at 6 a.m., and taking in a big breath of diesel fumes --
still one of my favorite smells. (Honest - I'm not joking!) but that's why
most truckers from the northern parts either 1) shut down their truck for 2
months, or 2) stick to the southern states...
Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
9:10 p.m.
New subject: Suggestions for hauling Computer Garage from Beaverton, ORto Yates Center, KS?
Several years ago, I worked for a company
as a transport driver. It involved driving
newly manufactured/modified trucks to their dealers
from Elkart, Indianna. Most of these vehicals
were for Fedex, UPS, Penske, and a few other truck
rental companies. My route was to the east coast.
It sure was a different way of life on the road:
Going from truckstop tp truckstop where I would
do laundry, eat (pretty decent food in large
quantities at reasonable prices), sleep (I would
string out a hammock in the rear of the truck
and sleep there).
Well, I could go on with this but back to the issue of
cold temp diesel starts. The thing I saw was that
most drivers simply did not turn off their engines.
They just set them to slow idle. This providied the needed
heat in the cab and used relatively little fuel.
If I was you guys I would go for the deisel and just not
shut it off (except for a few min to refuel, etc).
Also, if you are renting and driving a truck with
airbrakes and other features, you need a class II
license (if I recall correctly).
On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 07:59:04PM -0500, Roger Merchberger wrote:
<<snip>>
I never said diesels are bad -- I just said that they
don't start for $*it
in the cold, especially if they have a big engine... And the thread started
about people who'd prolly never run a diesel before, and would only run it
for a weekend or maybe a week - by the time the started learning the
quirks, they'd have gotten a *big* education, then arrived at their
destination.
<<snip>>
--
Bill
Amsterdam, NL
12:17 p.m.
I take a break about every two hours. Even just a couple of minutes
makes you feel a little better. On the trip back from VA in December, I
managed to get into a 14 truck convoy and we rolled at about 70 up I-95.
That was a little gas job too.
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Gary Hildebrand wrote:
I haven't done U-Haul since 1979, for apparent
reasons.
First, get a diesel truck. Mileage is much better; gas engines only get
about 5 mpg and the trucks might do 50 mph flat out.
Second, have a partner to trade off on driving. You'd be amazed how
tiring driving a truck at 50 mph can be. And take plenty of breaks.
You'll have to when you get gas/fuel.
Good luck . . let us know when things are set up down there, I may make
a road trip south to see the goodies . . . . .
Gary Hildebrand
St. Joseph, MO
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
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jpero＠sympatico.ca -
jrkeys＠concentric.net -
jss＠subatomix.com -
lgwalker＠mts.net -
rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com -
vance＠ikickass.org -
vcf＠vintage.org -
wilby98＠yahoo.com -
zmerch＠30below.com