19 Apr
2001
19 Apr
'01
12:08 p.m.
" We still have Sparc Station 2, HP730's and Decstation
5000/'s colour and mono X-terms.
The sale is over and the room is closed but if you're
serious, make us an
offer and we can arrange to meet. "
I just received this in an email. I hate having to make a
first offer on machines that I'm not real familiar with.
They Came form a University Physics department.
What would be a fair price for these machines?
What should I look for?
Which one is the most interesting?
19 Apr
19 Apr
12:46 p.m.
" We still have Sparc Station 2, HP730's and Decstation
5000/'s colour and mono X-terms.
The sale is over and the room is closed but if you're
serious, make us an
offer and we can arrange to meet. "
I just received this in an email. I hate having to make a
first offer on machines that I'm not real familiar with.
They Came form a University Physics department.
What would be a fair price for these machines?
What should I look for?
Which one is the most interesting?
Sparc 2's are no longer supported by the lastest version of Solaris. Unless
they've got the SBUS Ram expansion card they suck at modern versions of
Solaris anyway. If they've got a Framebuffer the odds are it's a slow 8-bit
one. They'll run OpenBSD and make a decent firewall. Maybe $50 with full
SIMM slots and HD's. More if they've got something interesting like a
100Mbit ethernet or SCSI S-BUS cards. If they do have the 100Mbit ethernet
it will be a card that won't be supported past Solaris 2.6.
DECstation 5000's. Only really good for running NetBSD. They're a
TurboChannel system. I'd recommend looking at http://www.netbsd.org under
the PMAX port for more info. Depending on how well they're loaded, I'd
guess $25-100.
HP730? Is that an HP 9000/730 or what? If so they might even make the 10
year rule. If you don't get HP-UX media with them, I'd say pass. Look at
them from the value of thier RAM and HD's. They're not a bad machine, but
getting stuff for them could be troublesome.
X-Terminals? I'd say pass.
The most interesting thing there would be either the Sparc 2's and the
DECstation 5000's (especially if they've got interesting TurboChannel
cards).
Zane
20 Apr
20 Apr
1:40 p.m.
healyzh skrev:
DECstation 5000's. Only really good for running
NetBSD. They're a
TurboChannel system. I'd recommend looking at http://www.netbsd.org under
the PMAX port for more info. Depending on how well they're loaded, I'd
guess $25-100.
And more likely $25, unless they come with monitors. =)
However, why are they only suited for NetBSD? Granted, that's what mine runs,
but why not OpenBSD, Linux or even Ultrix?
--
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optimus@dec:foo$ make love
make: don't know how to make love. Stop
1:32 p.m.
And more likely $25, unless they come with monitors.
=)
However, why are they only suited for NetBSD? Granted, that's what mine runs,
but why not OpenBSD, Linux or even Ultrix?
I guess OpenBSD does have a PMAX report, didn't realize that. Is there a
Linux port? Even if there is I'm guessing NetBSD still offers the best
support.
As for Ultrix, good luck getting a Y2k compatible version (yes, it is
possible), and what about licenses.
Zane
2:26 p.m.
I guess OpenBSD does have a PMAX report, didn't
realize that. Is there a
Linux port? Even if there is I'm guessing NetBSD still offers the best
support.
As for Ultrix, good luck getting a Y2k compatible version (yes, it is
possible), and what about licenses.
Zane
Well, with a little work any binaries that aren't y2k compliant
can usually be upgraded with a little work.
/bin/date was one with a problem in SunOS... fixed in 4.1.4's
y2k patches -- but it can be replaced with the one from any *BSD
or GNU usually.
troff had problems with the macros for the date.
The fixes from the SunOS or GNU ones would probably fix the Ultrix ones as
well.
etc...
The big fun happens in 2038.
I hope to retire well before that one hits. That'll render our
current antiques like my sparc2's pretty useless.
Bill
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21 Apr
21 Apr
10:33 p.m.
healyzh skrev:
> And more likely $25, unless they come with
monitors. =)
> However, why are they only suited for NetBSD? Granted, that's what mine
> runs, but why not OpenBSD, Linux or even Ultrix?
I guess OpenBSD does have a PMAX report, didn't
realize that. Is there a
Linux port? Even if there is I'm guessing NetBSD still offers the best
support.
I haven't tried DECstation Linux myself, but they've got a URL at
http://decstation.unix-ag.org/.
As for Ultrix, good luck getting a Y2k compatible
version (yes, it is
possible), and what about licenses.
Oops, and I was thinking of putting those old Ultrix tapes to good use on a
3100. Are the y2k errors particularly serious?
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6a.
There is also a high quality Fortran from DEC for our engineers, and of course
the whole C and LISP programming environments for CS students and other
software developers, plus a set of powerful text manipulation utilities like
sed, grep, awk, lex, and yacc, whose functions should be obvious from their
names.
Frank da Cruz & Christine Gianone - "THE DECSYSTEM-20 AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY
(1977-1988)"
22 Apr
22 Apr
3:17 a.m.
Accounting, auditing, and 'at' don't work well. Most everything else is
OK. I've been running 4.2a for years with no problems outside of those
areas.
Oops, and I was thinking of putting those old Ultrix
tapes to good use on a
3100. Are the y2k errors particularly serious?
--
2:28 p.m.
Paul Thompson skrev:
Accounting, auditing, and 'at' don't work
well. Most everything else is
OK. I've been running 4.2a for years with no problems outside of those
areas.
I found a lot of tapes with 2.8 and one with 5.3. I also noticed that some
were masked "RISC" while some weren't. Would the non-RISC versions run on
VAXes?
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6a.
We have support for the PMAGC-B's on pmax right? That is a PixelVision based
card right? I see Bt 463, that chip looks bigger than the 21164! Just looking
at it makes me want to write an Xserver!
Chris Tribo, NetBSD/pmax
3:20 p.m.
Paul Thompson skrev:
I believe they did. I can vaguely remember getting two sets of
distributions. We had a university software agreement and basically
got the whole set of CDs, but had to pay for the documentation.
--
Dr. Mark Green mark(a)cs.ualberta.ca
McCalla Professor (780) 492-4584
Department of Computing Science (780) 492-1071 (FAX)
University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta, T6G 2H1, Canada
Accounting, auditing, and 'at' don't
work well. Most everything else is
OK. I've been running 4.2a for years with no problems outside of those
areas.
I found a lot of tapes with 2.8 and one with 5.3. I also noticed that some
were masked "RISC" while some weren't. Would the non-RISC versions run on
VAXes?
19 Apr
19 Apr
1:06 p.m.
What would be a fair price for these machines?
What should I look for?
Which one is the most interesting?
For a little more info on the HP 9000/730 you can try here:
http://parisc.workstations.org
also the following has links:
http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/hp700/
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