10 Sep
2004
10 Sep
'04
6:30 p.m.
simh hp2100
how do I setup the simulator to run the papertape basic?
set cpu....
att dev basic1
boot dev
what do I put for dev, do I need any other attaches
simh PDP11 / RSTS/E
Can other machines on my network attach to the simulated PDP11 via
telnet? what port?
Thanks.
10 Sep
10 Sep
7 p.m.
simh PDP11 / RSTS/E
Can other machines on my network attach to the simulated PDP11 via
telnet? what port?
I'm not sure what the current state of SIMH networking is, especially
on the Mac (which I believe you're using) even though I'm typing this
on a G5. The last time I tried the SIMH networking was probably a
couple years ago now. I've heard good things about networking
support under SIMH VAX.
I've had good luck with networking RT-11, RSX-11M, and RSX-11M+ using
E11 running on Linux, however I never could get DECnet or LAT to work
under RSTS/E when running on E11 (of course I've had enough trouble
with a real PDP-11 and RSTS/E networking). I've also had good luck
with networking on KLH10 (PDP-10) running TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 on top
of Linux.
Zane
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7:15 p.m.
On Fri, Sep 10, 2004 at 09:00:06PM -0700, Zane H. Healy wrote:
I've also had good luck with networking on KLH10
(PDP-10) running
TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 on top of Linux.
I had no problems setting up klh10 with networking under Linux, either
(well... once I hung a real terminal off the serial port so Emacs would
work properly, but we've been over that here).
-ethan
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7:30 p.m.
On Sep 10, 2004, at 9:15 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
On Fri, Sep 10, 2004 at 09:00:06PM -0700, Zane H.
Healy wrote:
Are you saying my MAC (which can have a serial port via USB) can run a
terminal?
I have an HP terminal right here!
I am running simh on an G3 iBook (the one just before the 17" and 12"
ones came out).
I've also had good luck with networking on
KLH10 (PDP-10) running
TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 on top of Linux.
I had no problems setting up klh10 with networking under Linux, either
(well... once I hung a real terminal off the serial port so Emacs would
work properly, but we've been over that here).
-ethan
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04:10 Z
South Pole Station
PSC 468 Box 400 Temp -39.3 F (-39.6 C) Windchill -74.3 F
(-59.1 C)
APO AP 96598 Wind 18.3 kts Grid 347 Barometer 666.1 mb
(11156 ft)
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11 Sep
11 Sep
5:18 a.m.
Are you saying my MAC (which can have a serial port via
USB) can run
a terminal?
I have an HP terminal right here!
I am running simh on an G3 iBook (the one just before the 17" and
12" ones came out).
John Dundas recently posted the incantations needed to get Mac OS X
to work with a Serial terminal attached via a serial-to-usb
connector...
John wrote:
You bet...
a) Keyspan "High Speed USB Serial Adapter USA-19HS
<http://www.keyspan.com/products/usb/USA19HS/>
b) Add a line similar to the following to /etc/ttys:
tty.USA19H181P1.1 "/usr/libexec/getty std.9600" vt100 on secure
c) 10.2.8 [PowerBook G4] and 10.2.8(G5) [Yes, I hooked it up to my
dual 2GHz G5.]
John
I've not tried this myself, but it does seem tempting.
Zane
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6:31 a.m.
I think this would get the terminal to login to the BSD unix underlying
Mac os x, and perhaps from there I can telnet into the PDP11 sim.
I was hoping the terminal could somehow directly connect to the sim,
but telneting would be good.
7:28 a.m.
On Sep 11, 2004, at 9:31 AM, Ron Hudson wrote:
I think this would get the terminal to login to the
BSD unix
underlying Mac os x, and perhaps from there I can telnet into the
PDP11 sim.
I was hoping the terminal could somehow directly connect to the sim,
but telneting would be good.
I've started using iTerm from http://iterm.sourceforge.net
It allows you to set up "bookmarks" which automagically open
a new window and runs a command of your choice. It also has
key-mapping capability. While I haven't to played with this
extensively, the default settings for the "vt100" selection
does the keypad stuff (lse/eve, edt, etc.) correctly.
Mike
13 Sep
13 Sep
6:56 a.m.
At 8:31 AM -0700 9/11/04, Ron Hudson wrote:
I think this would get the terminal to login to the BSD
unix
underlying Mac os x, and perhaps from there I can telnet into the
PDP11 sim.
That's correct. Today one must log in to the native system and
telnet to the loopback interface on the correct port.
I was hoping the terminal could somehow directly
connect to the sim,
but telneting would be good.
The current version of SIMH does not have the facility to map
simulated devices (particularly serial ports) onto local physical
devices (such as /dev/tty...). Bob is working on this for a future
release.
John
7:46 a.m.
On Sep 13, 2004, at 8:56 AM, John A. Dundas III wrote:
At 8:31 AM -0700 9/11/04, Ron Hudson wrote:
Do you think that (on the windows version) "att lp0 lpt1:" would work?
or I suppose "att lp0 /dev/lp0"
I think this would get the terminal to login to
the BSD unix
underlying Mac os x, and perhaps from there I can telnet into the
PDP11 sim.
That's correct. Today one must log in to the native system and telnet
to the loopback interface on the correct port.
I was hoping the terminal could somehow directly
connect to the sim,
but telneting would be good.
The current version of SIMH does not have the facility to map
simulated devices (particularly serial ports) onto local physical
devices (such as /dev/tty...). Bob is working on this for a future
release.
John
7:57 a.m.
At 9:46 AM -0700 9/13/04, Ron Hudson wrote:
On Sep 13, 2004, at 8:56 AM, John A. Dundas III wrote:
I am not at all familiar with SIMH operation under Windows. It is
possible that it might work mostly correctly, but I wouldn't count on
it.
John
At 8:31 AM -0700 9/11/04, Ron Hudson wrote:
Do you think that (on the windows version) "att lp0 lpt1:" would work?
or I suppose "att lp0 /dev/lp0" I think this would get the terminal to login to
the BSD unix
underlying Mac os x, and perhaps from there I can telnet into the
PDP11 sim.
That's correct. Today one must log in to the native system and
telnet to the loopback interface on the correct port.
I was hoping the terminal could somehow directly
connect to the
sim, but telneting would be good.
The current version of SIMH does not have the facility to map
simulated devices (particularly serial ports) onto local physical
devices (such as /dev/tty...). Bob is working on this for a future
release. 
20 Sep
20 Sep
1:56 a.m.
New subject: ISDN useless relic? Token Ring unkillable
I was just digging through the box of cards I bought last Friday, and
reading email, and its funny how things go.
Sitting on my desk I have a totally neat Harmonix Hi-Card P8, a PCI card
that I think can talk to 4 primary ISDN lines at once combining them
together for higher bandwidth.Unless there is a secret I don't know about,
this card will never be used again. It fairly makes my collector skin crawl.
At the same time someone asked me if any Token Ring cards were in the
batch, and that started me off looking at Token Ring, and I was a little
shocked to see that Token Ring isn't dead. Madge is still making cards,
there is a huge oversupply of older used cards, but the neatest newest are
also still selling.
Weird aint it?
2:47 a.m.
New subject: ISDN useless relic? Token Ring unkillable
Geeze. Don't talk to me about token ring. I'm coming to the end of
removing it from the company I work at... all IBM and Madge stuff.
Those madge cards ain't cheap neither!
Take Care,
mark
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From: "Mike Ford" <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com>
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Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 11:56 AM
Subject: ISDN useless relic? Token Ring unkillable
I was just digging through the box of cards I bought
last Friday, and
reading email, and its funny how things go.
Sitting on my desk I have a totally neat Harmonix Hi-Card P8, a PCI card
that I think can talk to 4 primary ISDN lines at once combining them
together for higher bandwidth.Unless there is a secret I don't know about,
this card will never be used again. It fairly makes my collector skin
crawl.
At the same time someone asked me if any Token Ring cards were in the
batch, and that started me off looking at Token Ring, and I was a little
shocked to see that Token Ring isn't dead. Madge is still making cards,
there is a huge oversupply of older used cards, but the neatest newest are
also still selling.
Weird aint it?
13 Sep
13 Sep
4:18 a.m.
>>>> "Zane" == Zane H Healy
<healyzh(a)aracnet.com> writes:
> simh PDP11 / RSTS/E
>
> Can other machines on my network attach to the simulated PDP11 via
> telnet? what port?
Zane> I'm not sure what the current state of SIMH networking is,
Zane> especially on the Mac (which I believe you're using) even
Zane> though I'm typing this on a G5. The last time I tried the SIMH
Zane> networking was probably a couple years ago now. I've heard
Zane> good things about networking support under SIMH VAX.
Zane> I've had good luck with networking RT-11, RSX-11M, and RSX-11M+
Zane> using E11 running on Linux, however I never could get DECnet or
Zane> LAT to work under RSTS/E when running on E11 (of course I've
Zane> had enough trouble with a real PDP-11 and RSTS/E networking).
E11 and RSTS networking (DECnet, that is -- haven't tried LAT) is
perfectly straightforward, it works as documented. I used it to talk
to DECnet/Linux, which worked fine.
Haven't tried RSTS on SIMH at all, should do that one of these days...
paul
10 Sep
10 Sep
7:02 p.m.
simh PDP11 / RSTS/E
Can other machines on my network attach to the simulated PDP11 via
telnet? what port?
Wait a minute, I think I just realized what you're asking. Are you
asking about just telneting to a port on the machine running SIMH to
log into the OS running under SIMH? If so, you set the port to be
what you want as part of your startup, and it works GREAT!!!!
Zane
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+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
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7:27 p.m.
On Sep 10, 2004, at 9:02 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Cool, I would love to think that I can actually show multitasking on
RSTS/E, Perhaps even by opening another terminal program and telneting
to my own machine.
What incantation do I need to tell simh before I boot.
I have this in a file, I feed to simh to startup the simulated PDP 11...
-----------
set cpu 1m
att rl0 Disks/rsts_full_rl.dsk
att rl1 Disks/rsts_swap_rl.dsk
att lp0 printout
b rl0
----------
Of course I also need to figure out some other things - first on the
list
getting a simulated magtape to work. I *want* to be able to do backups.
second may be setting up other disks.
simh PDP11 /
RSTS/E
Can other machines on my network attach to the simulated PDP11 via
telnet? what port?
Wait a minute, I think I just realized what you're asking. Are you
asking about just telneting to a port on the machine running SIMH to
log into the OS running under SIMH? If so, you set the port to be
what you want as part of your startup, and it works GREAT!!!!
Zane
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| | Classic Computer Collector |
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| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
12 Sep
12 Sep
2:34 p.m.
On 10 Sep 2004 at 20:30, Ron Hudson wrote:
simh hp2100
how do I setup the simulator to run the papertape basic?
hp2100
HP 2100 simulator V3.2-3
sim> attach ptr basic1.abs
sim> boot ptr
HALT instruction 102077, P: 77712 (JMP 77700)
sim> run 100
READY
10 PRINT "HELLO"
20 END
RUN
HELLO
READY
...
-- Dave
15 Sep
15 Sep
8:40 a.m.
Thanks.... woulda never guessed.
On Sep 12, 2004, at 4:34 PM, J. David Bryan wrote:
On 10 Sep 2004 at 20:30, Ron Hudson wrote:
simh hp2100
how do I setup the simulator to run the papertape basic?
hp2100
HP 2100 simulator V3.2-3
sim> attach ptr basic1.abs
sim> boot ptr
HALT instruction 102077, P: 77712 (JMP 77700)
sim> run 100
READY
10 PRINT "HELLO"
20 END
RUN
HELLO
READY
...
-- Dave
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