3 Jan
2017
3 Jan
'17
11:03 p.m.
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From: "drlegendre ." <drlegendre at gmail.com>
Date: 2017-01-03 8:03 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at
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Subject: Re: was: National Semi... is Apple ][ collectability (if any)
"Vent-less case" - LoL!!
Add some RAM, maybe a DISC-II card and those things overheated even +with+
the vents.. that's why the Cider fan became popular, among other things.
When I was in high school, we'd pop the case tops open, and run them that
way. Otherwise, they'd overheat and start screwing up after the first or
second class period.
On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Brad H <vintagecomputer at bettercomputing.net
Yeah. ?We were on to IIes when I was in grade school and then Commodores and PCs after
that.. original IIs and II+ were long gone. ?I have four units and never have any issue
but come to think of it I do tend to run them case top off. ?I imagine other users might
have run them with the monitor (another massive heat source) sitting right on top.
I think the ventless cases also were made of a weaker plastic that melted and warped just
from the heat of the innards. ?The few examples I've seen are almost invariably
somewhat concave. ?
wrote:
On 1/2/2017
11:26 PM, Brad H wrote:
I brought the RFI thing up with him.? No response.? There is a legit Rev
1 there
too asking $3500.? I don't find Apple IIs below Rev 0 that
interesting anymore, personally.? I think even the legit guy would struggle
to get much above $1500.
The vintagecomputer museum guy on epay is selling
mounted and framed
motherboards now for $1500 (might not >work noted).
I guess someone would care about low ref Apple
2's but I'm not sure why
there would be any interest.? I've got one
>I bought with the original
packing box, which I have picked and moved twice, which is rare for my
collecting, but I >don't know what makes any Apple 2 like that
collectible.? As in why are they collectible with low serials / part
numbers.
is there any documentation as to when they were
made with those numbers
that would make them significant?? >The numbers made as
Raymond said would
make most of us with Apple 2's millionaires I'd think unless they have
some other significance.
just curious.
thanks
Jim
When I got into collecting an original Apple II was as rare as hen's teeth
on ebay, etc.? Those got huge bucks, regardless of rev.? Then sellers
caught on and stuff started coming out of closets, basements, estate
sales.? I actually track Apple II sales and prices have massively declined
since 15 years ago.? I mean, there's 60000+ out there theoretically, and
II+ shared the same components and production lines for a time.? Only diff
was the ROMs.? Now Rev 0 is where it's at, especially a rare ventless
case.? Oh, and late SNs in the 70000 range for some reason still get
$700-800.? I don't know why.
The one thing I can tell you is, if an 'expert' tells you something about
original II production, there's a good chance they are wrong.? Some
authoritative sources claimed no Rev 02 boards went into public hands, for
example, but I have one in my SN 16000s machine.? Some would claim that
can't be original, but it is.. the date code on it is the same as the
keyboard and case, all right in the range of other 16000 series machines,
which on either side of mine have Rev 03.? Apple didn't use the same rev
consistently.. sometimes they just grabbed from the pile.? It's kind of a
dogs breakfast after Rev 0.
My Rev 02 operates no differently, other than Integer BASIC, than my RFI
II+.? More and more I'm not finding IIs to be all that amazing or worth
fighting over.? A Rev 0, just owing to the few truly unique design
features, is the only one I might want now.
4 Jan
4 Jan
12:29 a.m.
My first encounter with Apple II was in 1978 or so, when we got 2 units at
my school. They were each fitted with a pair of Disc II units, and what
must have been an 8" B&W CCTV monitor.
Both floppy drives, plus the monitor were heaped atop the rear portion of
the Apple II case; drives to the left, monitor to the right, best of my
recall. Learned my first BASIC and so forth on those machines.
On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 1:03 AM, Brad H <vintagecomputer at bettercomputing.net>
wrote:
-------- Original message --------
From: "drlegendre ." <drlegendre at gmail.com>
Date: 2017-01-03 8:03 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <
cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: was: National Semi... is Apple ][ collectability (if any)
"Vent-less case" - LoL!!
Add some RAM, maybe a DISC-II card and those things overheated even +with+
the vents.. that's why the Cider fan became popular, among other things.
When I was in high school, we'd pop the case tops open, and run them that
way. Otherwise, they'd overheat and start screwing up after the first or
second class period.
On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Brad H <vintagecomputer@
bettercomputing.net
wrote:
>On 1/2/2017 11:26 PM, Brad H wrote:
> I brought the RFI thing up with him. No response. There is a legit
Rev
1 there too asking $3500. I don't find Apple
IIs below Rev 0 that
interesting anymore, personally. I think even the legit guy would
struggle
to get much above $1500.
would
The vintagecomputer museum guy on epay is selling
mounted and framed
motherboards now for $1500 (might not >work noted).
I guess someone would care about low ref Apple
2's but I'm not sure why
there would be any interest. I've got one
>I bought with the original
packing box, which I have picked and moved twice, which is rare for my
collecting, but I >don't know what makes any Apple 2 like that
collectible. As in why are they collectible with low serials / part
numbers.
is there any documentation as to when they were
made with those numbers
that would make them significant? >The numbers made as
Raymond said make most of us with Apple 2's millionaires
I'd think unless they have
teeth
some other significance.
just curious.
thanks
Jim
When I got into collecting an original Apple II was as rare as hen's on ebay, etc. Those got huge bucks, regardless
of rev. Then sellers
caught on and stuff started coming out of closets, basements, estate
sales. I actually track Apple II sales and prices have massively
declined
since 15 years ago. I mean, there's 60000+
out there theoretically, and
II+ shared the same components and production lines for a time. Only
diff
was the ROMs. Now Rev 0 is where it's at,
especially a rare ventless
case. Oh, and late SNs in the 70000 range for some reason still get
$700-800. I don't know why.
The one thing I can tell you is, if an 'expert' tells you something about
original II production, there's a good chance they are wrong. Some
authoritative sources claimed no Rev 02 boards went into public hands,
for
example, but I have one in my SN 16000s machine.
Some would claim that
can't be original, but it is.. the date code on it is the same as the
keyboard and case, all right in the range of other 16000 series machines,
which on either side of mine have Rev 03. Apple didn't use the same rev
consistently.. sometimes they just grabbed from the pile. It's kind of a
dogs breakfast after Rev 0.
My Rev 02 operates no differently, other than Integer BASIC, than my RFI
II+. More and more I'm not finding IIs to be all that amazing or worth
fighting over. A Rev 0, just owing to the few truly unique design
features, is the only one I might want now.
Yeah. We were on to IIes when I was in grade school and then Commodores
and PCs after that.. original IIs and II+ were long gone. I have four
units and never have any issue but come to think of it I do tend to run
them case top off. I imagine other users might have run them with the
monitor (another massive heat source) sitting right on top.
I think the ventless cases also were made of a weaker plastic that melted
and warped just from the heat of the innards. The few examples I've seen
are almost invariably somewhat concave.
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