15 May
1999
15 May
'99
6:32 p.m.
Dang! I wish I liven in WI. :)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Lane <kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 6:10 PM
Subject: FW: Cleaning My Room
Attention, would-be rescuers in or near Milwaukee, WI!
There's a
graduating student (Josh Hulbert) looking to get rid of a VAXen and PDP-11
(unknown model) as freebies.
If interested, contact him directly. Best of luck!
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:26:47 -0600 (CST)
From: Joshua Hulbert <hulbertj(a)msoe.edu>
To: port-vax(a)netbsd.org
Subject: Cleaning My Room
Sender: port-vax-owner(a)netbsd.org
Delivered-To: port-vax(a)netbsd.org
Hello All,
I will be graduating at the end of this quarter and moving several hundred
miles away from my dorm, so I need to minimize the amount of stuff I take
with me. I have the following VAX-related equipment, free for the taking:
VS2000, with VR-160-DA, LK201, and puck-mouse. I have the 3-meter long
cable for this one. It has an RD-54, and a RAM expansion to 20MB IIRC. I
know it boots and runs NetBSD just fine, but there is nothing on the RD54.
PDP-11: I know next to nothing about this thing. I picked it up for $10
at American Science and Surplus. From what I could gather, it may have
been a terminal server or something. It doesn't have enough RAM to load
an OS, but it has some funky ROM card. If anyone is interested, I can
send the M-numbers on the cards in the cage.
Heres the catch: You have to come get it, as shipping would exceed the
value of these boxes. I live in downtown Milwaukee, Wisconsin (USA).
Again, if anyone is interested, I can send part numbers on all the parts.
Joshua Hulbert
Senior Electrical Engineer
Milwaukee School of Engineering
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Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies
http://www.bluefeathertech.com
Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905)
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
17 Mar
17 Mar
5:30 a.m.
New subject: Leo Computers
A quick web search turned up the following links on the Leo Computer:
Leo Computers Society
http://www.man.ac.uk/Science_Engineering/CHSTM/leo/
Leo Computer Archives
http://www.man.ac.uk/Science_Engineering/CHSTM/contents/leo.htm
The Bulletin of the British Conservation Society
http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/CCS/resect/resw02.html
Note: There is a transcription of a talk by John Pinkerton titled "Designing
a Computer for Data Processing.
10:07 a.m.
New subject: Leo Computers
Okay, I put one of the punch cards and a single piece of Leo Computers
Stationary up on ebay. The URL is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=79520742
It will be interesting to see what, if anything, happens!
1:27 p.m.
New subject: Leo Computers
At 01:07 PM 3/17/99 -0800, you wrote:
Okay, I put one of the punch cards and a single piece
of Leo Computers
Stationary up on ebay. The URL is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=79520742
It will be interesting to see what, if anything, happens!
Geez, Marvin, I was going to bid a buck but you've set the opening bid to
$9.95!
Joe
2:54 p.m.
New subject: Leo Computers
At 01:07 PM 3/17/99 -0800, you wrote:
Greed can be an ugly thing. ;)
Okay, I put one of the punch cards and a single
piece of Leo Computers
Stationary up on ebay. The URL is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=79520742
It will be interesting to see what, if anything, happens!
Geez, Marvin, I was going to bid a buck but you've set the opening bid to
$9.95! 
5:09 p.m.
New subject: Leo Computers
On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Mike Ford wrote:
Yeah, but some putz will actually pay that. We pimp the wares and the
John's keep coming back for more.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out.
Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0
See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details!
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At 01:07 PM
3/17/99 -0800, you wrote:
Greed can be an ugly thing. ;) Okay, I put one of the punch cards and a single
piece of Leo Computers
Stationary up on ebay. The URL is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=79520742
It will be interesting to see what, if anything, happens!
Geez, Marvin, I was going to bid a buck but you've set the opening bid to
$9.95!
3:27 p.m.
New subject: Leo Computers
Joe wrote:
At 01:07 PM 3/17/99 -0800, you wrote:
Did you see me say anywhere that I actually *wanted* to sell it :)?
Actually, since I start almost everything out at that price, habbit just
took over. For the most part though, I just consider this part of an
educational campaign to let the buyers there know there are other computers
besides Altairs!
Okay, I put one of the punch cards and a single
piece of Leo Computers
Stationary up on ebay. The URL is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=79520742
It will be interesting to see what, if anything, happens!
Geez, Marvin, I was going to bid a buck but you've set the opening bid to
$9.95!
5:23 p.m.
New subject: Leo Computers
On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Marvin wrote:
Did you see me say anywhere that I actually *wanted*
to sell it :)?
Actually, since I start almost everything out at that price, habbit just
took over. For the most part though, I just consider this part of an
educational campaign to let the buyers there know there are other computers
besides Altairs!
Whatever. You're whoring your wares like the rest of us. Trying to
assign a lofty ideal to an Ebay auction is like a televangelist requesting
money in the name of holy pursuits.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out.
Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0
See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details!
[Last web site update: 02/15/99]
5:24 p.m.
New subject: Leo Computers
On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Marvin wrote:
Oops, forgot the ;)
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out.
Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0
See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details!
[Last web site update: 02/15/99]
Did you see me say anywhere that I actually
*wanted* to sell it :)?
Actually, since I start almost everything out at that price, habbit just
took over. For the most part though, I just consider this part of an
educational campaign to let the buyers there know there are other computers
besides Altairs!
Whatever. You're whoring your wares like the rest of us. Trying to
assign a lofty ideal to an Ebay auction is like a televangelist requesting
money in the name of holy pursuits.
6:06 p.m.
New subject: Leo Computers
At 06:27 PM 3/17/99 -0800, you wrote:
Joe wrote:
I'll bet an original Leo computer would bring a pretty price on E-bay!
Joe
At 01:07 PM 3/17/99 -0800, you wrote:
Did you see me say anywhere that I actually *wanted* to sell it :)?
Actually, since I start almost everything out at that price, habbit just
took over. For the most part though, I just consider this part of an
educational campaign to let the buyers there know there are other computers
besides Altairs! Okay, I put one of the punch cards and a single
piece of Leo Computers
Stationary up on ebay. The URL is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=79520742
It will be interesting to see what, if anything, happens!
Geez, Marvin, I was going to bid a buck but you've set the opening bid to
$9.95! 
8:31 p.m.
New subject: Leo Computers
On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
At 06:27 PM 3/17/99 -0800, you wrote:
And if a listmember sold it there without first offering to the
members of classiccmp, that listmember would be beaten like a
baby harp seal. Repeatedly. Since E-slay buyers show no evidence
of giving a damn about value rather than cost.
--
Ward Griffiths
"the timid die just like the daring; and if you don't take the plunge then
you'll just take the fall" Michael Longcor
Did you see me say anywhere that I actually
*wanted* to sell it :)?
Actually, since I start almost everything out at that price, habbit just
took over. For the most part though, I just consider this part of an
educational campaign to let the buyers there know there are other computers
besides Altairs!
I'll bet an original Leo computer would bring a pretty price on E-bay! 
18 Mar
18 Mar
3:40 a.m.
New subject: Leo Computers
At 02:31 AM 3/18/99 -0500, Ward D. Griffiths III wrote:
Since E-slay buyers show no evidence
of giving a damn about value rather than cost.
You'd think the average libertoonian would be ready to "defend the
undefendable". You have some kind of magic X-ray glasses that
let you determine the personal character of eBay buyers? It's
considered more honorable to be able to hang out at the local
junkyard for hours a day, than to hold a job that might allow
you to pay a seemingly high price for an obscure item on eBay?
What price convenience? What price the freedom to stay locked up
in the basement of your mom's house, ordering the gizmos you
always wanted?
- John
7:30 a.m.
New subject: Leo Computers
Ward D. Griffiths III wrote:
Since E-slay buyers show no evidence
of giving a damn about value rather than cost.
John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> replied:
You'd think the average libertoonian would be
ready to "defend the
undefendable".
Hey, just because us "libertoonians" defend people's right to do whatever
dumbass things they want to do in the privacy of their own home, doesn't
mean that we like or approve of their actions. :-)
ePay seems to be a seller's market. There's nothing inherently wrong with
that, but nevertheless I think it sucks. Of course, my opinion is very
biased, since I'm generally on the buying end of the deal.
7:36 a.m.
New subject: sellers market
Ward D. Griffiths III wrote:
ePay seems to be a seller's market. There's nothing inherently wrong with
that, but nevertheless I think it sucks. Of course, my opinion is very
biased, since I'm generally on the buying end of the deal.
So someone needs to create another web site that is the opposite
of what eBay provides. A site where you can advertise that you're
looking for an Exidy Sorcerer computer, and woould be willing to
pay about $15 plus $10 shipping. I suggest you call this new
site yaBe.com ....
-Lawrence (yes I want an Exidy, who doesn't?) LeMay
8:05 a.m.
New subject: sellers market
-Lawrence (yes I want an Exidy, who doesn't?)
LeMay
Why is that, exactly? I'm not trying to disparage the Exidy, but apart from
its rarity I can't tell it apart from most other EightiesBASICBoxes (tm).
Is it the rarity? The fact that the Exidy was a pioneer? Did I miss
something important about the machine?
Admittedly, I am consciously pragmatic (avoiding things I wouldn't use or
wouldn't have time for).
-- Derek
8:11 a.m.
New subject: sellers market
I remember the Exidy had soft font character generation.... That made the
best use of this by changing fonts on the fly... It looked pretty good
when the rest of us were looking at blowing Eproms to get new characters
formed.
George Rachor
=========================================================
George L. Rachor Jr. george(a)racsys.rt.rain.com
Beaverton, Oregon http://racsys.rt.rain.com
United States of America Amateur Radio : KD7DCX
On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Derek Peschel wrote:
-Lawrence (yes
I want an Exidy, who doesn't?) LeMay
Why is that, exactly? I'm not trying to disparage the Exidy, but apart from
its rarity I can't tell it apart from most other EightiesBASICBoxes (tm).
Is it the rarity? The fact that the Exidy was a pioneer? Did I miss
something important about the machine?
Admittedly, I am consciously pragmatic (avoiding things I wouldn't use or
wouldn't have time for).
-- Derek
10:15 a.m.
New subject: sellers market
-Lawrence (yes
I want an Exidy, who doesn't?) LeMay
Why is that, exactly? I'm not trying to disparage the Exidy, but apart from
its rarity I can't tell it apart from most other EightiesBASICBoxes (tm).
Is it the rarity? The fact that the Exidy was a pioneer? Did I miss
something important about the machine?
Admittedly, I am consciously pragmatic (avoiding things I wouldn't use or
wouldn't have time for).
-- Derek
10:37 a.m.
New subject: sellers market
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19 Mar
19 Mar
10:48 a.m.
New subject: sellers market
Derek Peschel wrote:
Isn't it a 70's machine, I seem to remember the power-up message was
"Copyright
1979 Exidy Inc."
It was the first computer I ever laid hands on, so in my case it's nostalgic -
there's a thought, I could contact my old high scholl & see if they've still
got
them.....
cheers,
Lance
-Lawrence (yes
I want an Exidy, who doesn't?) LeMay
Why is that, exactly? I'm not trying to disparage the Exidy, but apart from
its rarity I can't tell it apart from most other EightiesBASICBoxes (tm).
Is it the rarity? The fact that the Exidy was a pioneer? Did I miss
something important about the machine?
17 Mar
17 Mar
6:25 p.m.
New subject: Leo Computers
You'd better be careful... or I'll bid $6000 on it and then eBay will kick
you off.
Or at least that's what they did to Sam with his IMSAI power cord.
Go figure.
- Joe
6:30 p.m.
New subject: Leo Computers
Sorry, Marvin, I couldn't help myself.
Well, now that "a trusted collector" has bid on your punch card,
you should start seeing the bids roll in... :-)
(either that or I'm stuck with a $10 punch card :-)
- Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph S. Barrera III <joe(a)barrera.org>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: Leo Computers
You'd better be careful... or I'll bid $6000
on it and then eBay will kick
you off.
Or at least that's what they did to Sam with his IMSAI power cord.
Go figure.
- Joe
7:06 p.m.
New subject: Leo Computers
"Joseph S. Barrera III" wrote:
Sorry, Marvin, I couldn't help myself.
Well, now that "a trusted collector" has bid on your punch card,
you should start seeing the bids roll in... :-)
(either that or I'm stuck with a $10 punch card :-)
Well, I have been curious for quite a while what might happen if I put those
things up on ebay. All I can say is that we can have a heck of a party at
VCF III with the $2000 it might bring in :).
I am still gathering stuff for the Kim-1, but it is beginning to look like I
have everything that went with it now. It is interesting that at least one
Kim-1 sold for about $500, and the one I have here has quite a bit more
stuff with it let alone the *minor* detail that is serial number 0001. Wish
it was mine, or I could afford to put out the money to keep it <sigh>.
2:45 p.m.
New subject: Leo Computers
Okay, I put one of the punch cards and a single piece
of Leo Computers
Stationary up on ebay. The URL is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=79520742
It will be interesting to see what, if anything, happens!
A couple minutes setting up a phoney @hotmail account and a few of us could
have some fun bidding it up.
5:08 p.m.
New subject: Leo Computers
On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Mike Ford wrote:
Ebay is smarter than you. Any accounts being set up with one of the many
free e-mail service providers requires a credit card to be entered at
registration time.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out.
Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0
See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details!
[Last web site update: 02/15/99]
Okay, I put one
of the punch cards and a single piece of Leo Computers
Stationary up on ebay. The URL is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=79520742
It will be interesting to see what, if anything, happens!
A couple minutes setting up a phoney @hotmail account and a few of us could
have some fun bidding it up. 
5:51 p.m.
New subject: Leo Computers
If anyone is interested: I did some checking on the LEO, wondering why it was
not mentioned in any of my reference books. Turns out it was a 'direct copy'
of the EDSAC, on which I have ample documentation. Additionally there were
only 10 LEO IIs sold. The EDSAC is described as "the first large scale, fully
functional, stored-program, electronic digital computer."
Perhaps someone could decipher the following for me (and the group):
"In 1951 the LEO I computer was operational and ran the world's first regular
routine office computer job."
What about the Univac 1 or the IBM 701?
Brian Mahoney
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http://suite101.com/welcome.cfm/antique_computers
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Horizon/9107/
18 Mar
18 Mar
8:17 a.m.
New subject: Vaxstation up for sale
Hi all,
Anyone want/need a VS 3100 m38? I have too many unfinished computer
projects and need to clear a few feet of desk space. It's got a mono
monitor, external HD (I don't have the model # here at work, but I think
it's ~400meg), mouse, and KB, VMS v4 on the internal HD.
I'd like something for it, since I bought it in the heat of the moment
on ePlague (you know I paid dearly), but am definitely interested in
trades for things concerning my 11/15 or other interesting stuff. It may
outweigh the value of the vax, but I'm looking for a cheap eprom
programmer that can do 2732A's. Since I'm so lazy, local responses
(Southern California) have priority...
Anyone interested should email me at my regular address,
A_Finney(a)wfi-inc.com.
Cheers,
Aaron
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