3 Apr
2002
3 Apr
'02
8:52 a.m.
From: Bill Sudbrink <wh.sudbrink(a)verizon.net>
You should add that it is a real kick when you finally
get
everything right and the sucker actually boots and works!
That's still the best reason to do it. It's a total immersion project
and once done there are few parts of the system that will not be
understood at the software (maybe hardware too) level.
All of my boxes that run CP/M run 2.2 built from the
source
found at the "unofficial CP/M web site":
Some of those I copied to Tim! I was useing them back when
to build mine, from the emergence of V2.2 on.
Da place!
Finding a build environment is left as an exercise for
the reader.
I recommend MyZ80 as a starting point. Then work the hardware
dependent stuff iteritively on the target via serial download.
Allison
4 Apr
4 Apr
8:58 a.m.
>All of my boxes that run CP/M run 2.2 built from
the source
>found at the "unofficial CP/M web site":
Some of those I copied to Tim! I was useing them back
when
to build mine, from the emergence of V2.2 on.
>http://www.retroarchive.org/cpm/archive/unofficial/
Da place!
Isn't
http://www.gaby.de/cpm/index.html
more like the official unofficial web site ?
AFAIR Retroarchive is only snapshoot of the old site,
while the pages at gaby.de are still maintained (and
extended).
Gruss
H.
--
VCF Europa 3.0 am 27./28. April 2002 in Muenchen
http://www.vcfe.org/
10:29 a.m.
>http://www.retroarchive.org/cpm/archive/unofficial/
Da place!
Isn't
http://www.gaby.de/cpm/index.html
more like the official unofficial web site ? 
12:37 p.m.
>http://www.retroarchive.org/cpm/archive/unofficial/
Da place!
Isn't
http://www.gaby.de/cpm/index.html
more like the official unofficial web site ? 
3:43 p.m.
New subject: GEM OS was: CP/M and Imsai
I wasn't able to find the Gem files on gaby however. I hope you intend on
keeping them on the retroactive site. The Atari subdirectory is empty. Was
it your intention to fill it as you have with the Heath one ?
I've asked this before, but how close is the Commodore GEOS to the Gem
one ? The desktop at least is virtually identical. Does it have an underlying
system greatly different from TOS and AES(?) ?
Lawrence
Sorry. I had no idea. I've had a "favorite" set to retroarchive
for years. I'll have to change it.
I made a quick mirror of it a couple of years ago when it looked like it
might vanish. Since Gaby is doing such a good job, I necer saw fit to
keep the mirror at retroarchive.org updated.
g.
--
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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>http://www.retroarchive.org/cpm/archive/unofficial/
Da place!
Isn't
http://www.gaby.de/cpm/index.html
more like the official unofficial web site ?
3:53 p.m.
New subject: GEM OS was: CP/M and Imsai
keeping them on the retroactive site. The Atari
subdirectory is empty. Was
it your intention to fill it as you have with the Heath one ?
Oh, I'll definately be keeping the stuff on the retroarchive site. You
should also check out http://www.deltasoft.com - that's where all the real
GEM magic happens.
The Atari stuff is barren because I don't have the time right now to do
anything with it. I've go tthis F-15C on my back that eats all my time.
:)
I've asked this before, but how close is the
Commodore GEOS to the Gem
one ? The desktop at least is virtually identical. Does it have an underlying
system greatly different from TOS and AES(?) ?
Lawrence
GEOS and GEM are similarly functioning products built by two completely
different vendors. There is no code commonality between them at all.
g.
5:36 p.m.
New subject: GEM OS was: CP/M and Imsai
I've asked this before, but how close is the
Commodore GEOS to the Gem
one ? The desktop at least is virtually identical.
I don't think it is, myself. Berkeley Softworks supposedly modeled it on the
Macintosh.
Does it have an underlying
system greatly different from TOS and AES(?) ?
Not knowing much about the internals of TOS ...
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5 Apr
5 Apr
2:19 a.m.
> > >
>http://www.retroarchive.org/cpm/archive/unofficial/
> > > Da place!
> > Isn't
> > http://www.gaby.de/cpm/index.html
> > more like the official unofficial web site ?
> Sorry. I had no idea. I've had a
"favorite" set to retroarchive
> for years. I'll have to change it.
I made a quick mirror of it a couple of years ago when
it looked like it
might vanish. Since Gaby is doing such a good job, I necer saw fit to
keep the mirror at retroarchive.org updated.
Gene, my mail was never ment to put your work down.
No way. We need people who react quickly to save
information.
Gruss
H.
--
VCF Europa 3.0 am 27./28. April 2002 in Muenchen
http://www.vcfe.org/
2:38 a.m.
Hans Franke said:
No way. We need people who react quickly to save
information.
Amen. I've lost so much good information because I've thought that
"Hey, it's in the web and somebody has to have a copy, right ?".
For example, I *still* haven't found that particular "somebody" that
has a copy of the webpage with instruction on how to break Framemakers
NeXT m68k version copy-protection with GDB. Just for instructional uses
of course. After the page was pulled I was able to do it myself (once)
but now I'm just too lazy. And before anyone starts screaming, I've been
trying to buy the program for close to six years now.
So now I'm stuck in a loop of copying every single usefull snippet. I've
got around 1GB of mailing-lists archived (after cleaning them up) and a
lot of web-pages and pdf:s. Thank $DEITY for groups.google.com, the best
thing on the Internet.
--
jht
9:01 a.m.
For example, I *still* haven't found that
particular "somebody" that
has a copy of the webpage with instruction on how to break Framemakers
NeXT m68k version copy-protection with GDB. Just for instructional uses
of course. After the page was pulled I was able to do it myself (once)
but now I'm just too lazy. And before anyone starts screaming, I've been
trying to buy the program for close to six years now.
It might be stretch, but have you looked on the wayback machine yet? I
think the URL is http://www.archive.org
g.
8:58 a.m.
> Sorry. I
had no idea. I've had a "favorite" set to retroarchive
> for years. I'll have to change it.
I made a quick mirror of it a couple of years ago
when it looked like it
might vanish. Since Gaby is doing such a good job, I necer saw fit to
keep the mirror at retroarchive.org updated.
Gene, my mail was never ment to put your work down.
No way. We need people who react quickly to save
information.
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ajp166＠bellatlantic.net -
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