7 Mar
2002
7 Mar
'02
5:12 a.m.
Thanks everyone.
The two Pros are claimed.
In the future there may be other hardware but, not alot.
I'm not getting out it's more a selection process as I
with to run more of the peices and that takes space.
Allison
7 Mar
7 Mar
3:47 p.m.
Hi,
I think it is very nice of you to give away machines like this. I was
just wondering if you'd be willing to, if you do this again, give me first
dibs on the next complete machine you give away?
Thanks for the generosity to the list,
torquil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allison" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 11:12 AM
Subject: Thinning the heard
Thanks everyone.
The two Pros are claimed.
In the future there may be other hardware but, not alot.
I'm not getting out it's more a selection process as I
with to run more of the peices and that takes space.
Allison
4:51 p.m.
On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Torquil MacCorkle III wrote:
I think it is very nice of you to give away machines
like this. I was
just wondering if you'd be willing to, if you do this again, give me
first dibs on the next complete machine you give away?
I cannot speak for Allison, but if I the above message were directed to
me, I would ask you politely to stop being greedy and to check your email
more often.
Our traditional methods (usually FCFS) for redistributing goods are fair
and sufficient; we ought not to get into the practice of preemptive
first-dibbing.
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
5:23 p.m.
I have to agree with this FCFS policy. I've given away a few things, mostly
lighter-weight stuff than complete machines, for sure, but nevertheless got
"yelled" at because I had comitted to give someone something on that basis by
somoeone who didn't feel it necessary to check his email over the weekend.
My email is updated every few hours when I'm not around and certainly more
often when I am. Sometimes I choose not to get into it, but if I miss
something, it's on me, and not the sender.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey S. Sharp" <jss(a)subatomix.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Thinning the heard
On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Torquil MacCorkle III wrote:
I think it is very nice of you to give away
machines like this. I was
just wondering if you'd be willing to, if you do this again, give me
first dibs on the next complete machine you give away?
I cannot speak for Allison, but if I the above message were directed to
me, I would ask you politely to stop being greedy and to check your email
more often.
Our traditional methods (usually FCFS) for redistributing goods are fair
and sufficient; we ought not to get into the practice of preemptive
first-dibbing.
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
6:22 p.m.
I can't say that I completely agree that FCFS is always fair. Some of us
live in front of our computers, and run mail checking every 3 minutes. Some
people have jobs that don't permit them to check their email more often,
such as the guy at the Circle-K, people who are on the road a lot during the
day, etc. And there's the whole issue of mailserver latency, something not
all of us have control over. It seems to take my messages over an hour
before I see them, whereas on a Yahoo! message board I use, they show up in
5 or 6 minutes.
I would think that a lottery system would be more fair. Computer generate
a number, give anyone that's interested 48 hours to reply with a number, and
whomever gets closest with going over wins. Any other equally arbitrary
rule would work as well. An enterprising individual could even set up a web
page to help manage this.
--John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Richard Erlacher
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 23:24 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Thinning the heard
I have to agree with this FCFS policy. I've given away a few
things, mostly
lighter-weight stuff than complete machines, for sure, but
nevertheless got
"yelled" at because I had comitted to give someone something on
that basis by
somoeone who didn't feel it necessary to check his email over the weekend.
My email is updated every few hours when I'm not around and certainly more
often when I am. Sometimes I choose not to get into it, but if I miss
something, it's on me, and not the sender.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey S. Sharp" <jss(a)subatomix.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Thinning the heard
On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Torquil MacCorkle III wrote:
your email
I think it is very nice of you to give away
machines like this. I was
just wondering if you'd be willing to, if you do this again, give me
first dibs on the next complete machine you give away?
I cannot speak for Allison, but if I the above message were directed to
me, I would ask you politely to stop being greedy and to check more often.
Our traditional methods (usually FCFS) for redistributing goods are fair
and sufficient; we ought not to get into the practice of preemptive
first-dibbing.
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
7:37 p.m.
On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Torquil MacCorkle III wrote:
I was just wondering if you'd be willing to ...
give me first dibs on
the next complete machine you give away?
I responded:
Our traditional methods (usually FCFS) for
redistributing goods are fair
and sufficient we ought not to get into the practice of preemptive
first-dibbing.
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, John Chris Wren wrote:
I can't say that I completely agree,,, Some people
have jobs that don't
permit them to check their email more often,
There are also the best argument and lottery systems. Those options are
out there and have been used before. Mr. MacCorkle's request, I dare say,
is objectionable and would be unfair.
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
10:08 p.m.
Jeez, folks. The ClassicCmp list is NOT the only place to find old
computers. Have a little initiative and creativity.
http://www.vintage.org/content.php?id=001
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote:
On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Torquil MacCorkle III wrote:
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I was just wondering if you'd be willing to
... give me first dibs on
the next complete machine you give away?
I responded:
Our traditional methods (usually FCFS) for
redistributing goods are fair
and sufficient we ought not to get into the practice of preemptive
first-dibbing.
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, John Chris Wren wrote:
I can't say that I completely agree,,, Some
people have jobs that don't
permit them to check their email more often,
There are also the best argument and lottery systems. Those options are
out there and have been used before. Mr. MacCorkle's request, I dare say,
is objectionable and would be unfair.
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
8 Mar
8 Mar
3:49 a.m.
"Jeffrey S. Sharp" wrote:
I think the best idea is to put a closing date on lists of items, this
way
both the seller and buyer have a idea of the time factor and slower
mails
can catch up. Anyhow the seller not the buyer has the final say in who
gets
the product. With some of the more valueable old equiment it is
important
that it goes to a good home not the first bidder.
PS. Does anybody know of a source of datasheets (PDF) online for the the
really old chips like RTL,DTL,74Hxx,74Lxx? You still can find the chips
but not the data.
--
Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu *
www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
I can't
say that I completely agree,,, Some people have jobs that don't
permit them to check their email more often,
There are also the best argument and lottery systems. Those options are
out there and have been used before. Mr. MacCorkle's request, I dare say,
is objectionable and would be unfair. 
5:29 a.m.
how about this: whoever's giving away the equipment can do it in whatever way
they damn well please? it's their stuff, after all... sheesh.
Ben Franchuk said:
"Jeffrey S. Sharp" wrote:
I think the best idea is to put a closing date on lists of items, this
way
both the seller and buyer have a idea of the time factor and slower
mails
can catch up. Anyhow the seller not the buyer has the final say in who
gets
the product. With some of the more valueable old equiment it is
important
that it goes to a good home not the first bidder.
PS. Does anybody know of a source of datasheets (PDF) online for the the
really old chips like RTL,DTL,74Hxx,74Lxx? You still can find the chips
but not the data.
--
Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu *
www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
- Dan Wright
(dtwright(a)uiuc.edu)
(http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright)
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For he on honeydew hath fed, / and drunk the milk of Paradise.''
Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Kubla Khan
I
can't say that I completely agree,,, Some people have jobs that don't
permit them to check their email more often,
There are also the best argument and lottery systems. Those options are
out there and have been used before. Mr. MacCorkle's request, I dare say,
is objectionable and would be unfair.
7 Mar
7 Mar
10:30 p.m.
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Dan Wright wrote:
how about this: whoever's giving away the
equipment can do it in whatever way
they damn well please? it's their stuff, after all... sheesh.
Finally, some sense!
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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8 Mar
8 Mar
7:49 a.m.
New subject: Old chips / old TTY interface
--- Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> wrote:
PS. Does anybody know of a source of datasheets (PDF)
online for the the
really old chips like RTL,DTL,74Hxx,74Lxx? You still can find the chips
but not the data.
No, but if a source comes up, I'd love to get access. As I mentioned
recently, I'm contemplating building a replica of DECs W706 and W707
cards that use RTL parts. OTOH, if anyone has a PT08 lying around,
I'm interested. It'll be a rack-width bank of DEC R-series, W-series
and G-series boards, with the W707 in, I think, slots A07 and B07,
and the W706 in slots A15 and B15. I would be happy just to get a
W706 and W707 pair. I think I have everything else. If John
Bradenatau(sp?) would surface, I'd see what he has, but nobody has
heard from him in quite a while (and there's no machine on the phone
listed at pdp8.com)
-ethan
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7 Mar
7 Mar
7:45 p.m.
At 12:22 AM 8/03/2002 -0500, John Chris Wren wrote:
I can't say that I completely agree that
FCFS is always
fair. Some of us
live in front of our computers, and run mail checking every 3 minutes. Some
people have jobs that don't permit them to check their email more often,
such as the guy at the Circle-K, people who are on the road a lot during the
day, etc. And there's the whole issue of mailserver latency, something not
all of us have control over. It seems to take my messages over an hour
before I see them, whereas on a Yahoo! message board I use, they show up in
5 or 6 minutes.
Don't forget, some of us live in a somewhat different time zone. For
example, at the moment I'm at +1100 and John seems to be at -0500 so even
if I sit in front of my computer for all the daylight hours here I'll still
miss things. For example, Allison's post (and the follow up saying the
Pro's had gone) were in the batch I read after getting home from work
Friday evening - not that I mind, I do have a couple of Pro380s sitting in
a cupboard....
Still I think we should stick with FCFS until I miss out on that really
desirable Pascal MicroEngine that someone offers (I'd even pay shipping to
Australia for one of them - well probably :-)
Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au
| "If God had wanted soccer played in the
| air, the sky would be painted green"
8:26 p.m.
On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote:
Our traditional methods (usually FCFS) for
redistributing goods are fair
and sufficient; we ought not to get into the practice of preemptive
first-dibbing.
Actually, I bet it's more like: friends first, then back-scratchers,
then local folk, then finally out on the list. As it should be.
No dibbing. Unless Sridhar gives up on that 270. Then it's mine.
Doc
8:50 p.m.
So, where does it say that life, or, for that matter, anything else is, or has
to be, fair? Pretty soon someone will be saying that it's unfair that he
can't have computer xyz because his wife won't let him. It's not our fault
he
wants to have a wife. Life is the product of the decisons that shape it.
Deal with it!
(Of course, there's really very little classic hardware that I want, and of
what I have I'd probably prefer to have less.)
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doc" <doc(a)mdrconsult.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: Thinning the heard
On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote:
Our traditional methods (usually FCFS) for
redistributing goods are fair
and sufficient; we ought not to get into the practice of preemptive
first-dibbing.
Actually, I bet it's more like: friends first, then back-scratchers,
then local folk, then finally out on the list. As it should be.
No dibbing. Unless Sridhar gives up on that 270. Then it's mine.
Doc
8:56 p.m.
New subject: Thinning the herd
This culling is something I occasionally go through, normally with the aid of
the dumpster.
One thing I'm finding really useful is Apple IIe/][/][+ power supplies. This
leaves me with the occasional main board, case, etc. If anyone wants such
things, keeping in mind that I'm not an Apple conoiseur, and don't want to
have to learn about the various options, etc, I'd be happy to ship them for
cost. I seldom buy such things unless they're under $10, and you can guess
that I wouldn't buy one for more than I'm willing to pay for the PSU.
Normally, there are few or no optional boards. Postage is all it'll cost you,
but I don't want to invest in someone else's stuff.
I'll package & ship, but only if you spring for the postage up front.
Dick
8 Mar
8 Mar
8:14 a.m.
New subject: Thinning the herd
I would be interested in apple stuff, at the moment, I'd really like to find
a super serial card for my apple //e. If there are mainboards to spare as
well, I would also like to grab a few of those.
Thanks,
Chris, RetroComputing Nut.
ccraft(a)netgenius.org
On Friday 08 March 2002 12:56 am, you wrote:
This culling is something I occasionally go through,
normally with the aid
of the dumpster.
One thing I'm finding really useful is Apple IIe/][/][+ power supplies.
This leaves me with the occasional main board, case, etc. If anyone wants
such things, keeping in mind that I'm not an Apple conoiseur, and don't
want to have to learn about the various options, etc, I'd be happy to ship
them for cost. I seldom buy such things unless they're under $10, and you
can guess that I wouldn't buy one for more than I'm willing to pay for the
PSU. Normally, there are few or no optional boards. Postage is all it'll
cost you, but I don't want to invest in someone else's stuff.
I'll package & ship, but only if you spring for the postage up front.
Dick
7 Mar
7 Mar
9:05 p.m.
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Doc wrote:
LOL. You got it, Doc.
Peace... Sridhar
Our
traditional methods (usually FCFS) for redistributing goods are fair
and sufficient; we ought not to get into the practice of preemptive
first-dibbing.
Actually, I bet it's more like: friends first, then back-scratchers,
then local folk, then finally out on the list. As it should be.
No dibbing. Unless Sridhar gives up on that 270. Then it's mine. 
8 Mar
8 Mar
9:42 a.m.
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10:20 a.m.
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Tony Duell wrote:
You are all correct. I was only objecting to the guy asking for first
dibs on the "next" free item. IMHO that sounds very rude.
If that's not rude, then ... well ... I have first dibs on everything from
everyone. :-)
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
Actually, I
bet it's more like: friends first, then back-scratchers,
That's how I've always done it...
In particular when I have something to give away (often just some
obscure spare part or manual or something like that), I try to find one
of my friends who I know has been looking for that item.
Unfair? Well, maybe. But it's going to somebody who is going to use it,
and anyway, it's my stuff to do what I like with.
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