18 Apr
2007
18 Apr
'07
4:15 p.m.
I have download the kaypro disks
from dave's site and the system disk 2 is really multiplan.
It is REALLY REALLY important that you tell Dave, or other archivists
when errors are found in disc images.
One of the most difficult things to do is to verify that a distribution
disc still contains good copies of what it claims to on the label.
18 Apr
18 Apr
9:46 p.m.
I have
download the kaypro disks
from dave's site and the system disk 2 is really multiplan.
It is REALLY REALLY important that you tell Dave, or other archivists
when errors are found in disc images.
One of the most difficult things to do is to verify that a distribution
disc still contains good copies of what it claims to on the label. from user areas on a hard drive, not from original
install media. I really
don't know how they are organized - perhaps the
originator of the archive
consided these "system files".
I suspect that if you go through all the disk images, you will find the
files that you need. It would be worthwhile to have information that I can
add to the archive detailing what is found where and what is missing...
(Hint - be a part of it!).
Thats all the material I have, so I can't do much about the actual
content, however I can insert notes into the README file indicating
potentional problems, and asking for someone with a set of original
Kaypro 10 install media to image them .. With luck we can improve on
things.
Regards,
Dave
--
dave06a (at) Dave Dunfield
dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com
com Collector of vintage computing equipment:
http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/index.html
19 Apr
19 Apr
9:35 a.m.
Yes that is the one I'm talking about. It was suppose to be system disk
two but it's plan.com(multiplan)more of an application. I do have the
new hard formatted and will let Dave what the problem is so we can
resolve it or just educate me. I'm doing the reload now so I'm off and
running I was able to find a hdskfmt program that did format it. I'm not
totally sure about the size or version so I'll get back to everyone with
k10. I did try the hdskfmt on disk one and it just failed after hitting
the new drive. It looked like it expected a formated hard drive and
found one that wasn't. This new one I used hit the drive and then
formated each track and then verified it. The HDSKFMT.COM on image disk
one I had used two times before on a failing drive and it never
formatted the drive and only verified the disk as all the files on the
drive were still there after it finished. The new(used) ST225 which I
got which was verified to be good and but needed a low level format. Let
me look into it more and I'll get back to everyone and in the mean time
I can offer help to other K10 users possibly . Ralph is sending me a
kayplus eprom to try so I'll be able to use the entire disk space. I
really need to get my S-100 eprom burner working.
As you indicated Dave one just made a image of there newer hard drive
system and not the older floppy system disk that came with the unit. I'm
glad to have the newer images as someone took alot of time creating
them. These are version G which I believe was the last version offered.
I'll create a image and sent it to you Dave and we can label it other
utilities maybe. I'll use your image program(IMD) and not the TD0 format
as that seem to be more stable
Dave Dunfield wrote:
Here Here! (Thats a Canadian way of saying absolutely, wholeheartedly,
I agree, listen to what the smart man is saying).
I've archived many disk sets for which I don't have a system to view
the disk on, and in many cases I don't have the system up and running
yet anyway (Archiving the disks is pretty much the FIRST thing that I
do). In other cases, the disk images are submissions from others (much
appreciated) and I have no way to verify their content.
In general, it is best to correspond with me and I will do my best to
rectify the problem - In this case I heard nothing, until I happened
to notice Als comment.
It might seem that the archive just makes and maintains itself, but
the truth is that it just ain't so - No doubt you will find problems
and errors ... sorry, but it's the best I can do given the funding
($0) and time requirements (lots). Best thing to do is be a part of
it - let me in on the details, and we can work on improving it.
For example, It would be helpful to know WHICH set of kaypro disks is
in error, as I have several posted to the site. I've just gone through
all four kaypro sets that I have posted with IMDV and found that the
string 'multiplan' occurs only on the KAYII03.IMD image from the
Kaypro 3*83 set, which is labled "CP/M application" - seems pretty
reasonable to me.
Disk 2 of the Kaypro10 set has "PLAN.COM" and "MP*.*" files which
could
be multiplan - but it also has several other programs. It is labeled
"System disk 2", so perhaps it's the one you are talking about?
The Kaypro10 archive was submitted by a third party (I don't have a K10,
nor any disks for it) - I've never seen the original disk labels - judging
by the organization of the README file, it appears that the disks were made
from user areas on a hard drive, not from original install media. I really
don't know how they are organized - perhaps the originator of the archive
consided these "system files".
I suspect that if you go through all the disk images, you will find the
files that you need. It would be worthwhile to have information that I can
add to the archive detailing what is found where and what is missing...
(Hint - be a part of it!).
Thats all the material I have, so I can't do much about the actual
content, however I can insert notes into the README file indicating
potentional problems, and asking for someone with a set of original
Kaypro 10 install media to image them .. With luck we can improve on
things.
Regards,
Dave
--
dave06a (at) Dave Dunfield
dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com
com Collector of vintage computing equipment:
http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/index.html
I have download the kaypro disks
from dave's site and the system disk 2 is really multiplan.
It is REALLY REALLY important that you tell Dave, or other archivists
when errors are found in disc images.
One of the most difficult things to do is to verify that a distribution
disc still contains good copies of what it claims to on the label.
12:22 p.m.
Yes that is the one I'm talking about. It was
suppose to be system disk
two but it's plan.com(multiplan)more of an application. I do have the
new hard formatted and will let Dave what the problem is so we can
resolve it or just educate me. I'm doing the reload now so I'm off and
running I was able to find a hdskfmt program that did format it. I'm not
totally sure about the size or version so I'll get back to everyone with
k10. I did try the hdskfmt on disk one and it just failed after hitting
the new drive. It looked like it expected a formated hard drive and
found one that wasn't. This new one I used hit the drive and then
formated each track and then verified it. The HDSKFMT.COM on image disk
one I had used two times before on a failing drive and it never
formatted the drive and only verified the disk as all the files on the
drive were still there after it finished. The new(used) ST225 which I
got which was verified to be good and but needed a low level format. Let
me look into it more and I'll get back to everyone and in the mean time
I can offer help to other K10 users possibly . Ralph is sending me a
kayplus eprom to try so I'll be able to use the entire disk space. I
really need to get my S-100 eprom burner working.
As you indicated Dave one just made a image of there newer hard drive
system and not the older floppy system disk that came with the unit. I'm
glad to have the newer images as someone took alot of time creating
them. These are version G which I believe was the last version offered.
I'll create a image and sent it to you Dave and we can label it other
utilities maybe. I'll use your image program(IMD) and not the TD0 format
as that seem to be more stable
That would be excellent - As I noted above, I don't have a K10 or any of
the disks that are represented by the images, so I can't really change
whats there, however if you can provide an image with the better
HDSKFMT program and any other extra material you have rounded
up that would be good. Also, if you have any notes on what you had to
do and where you had to find/put things please include them (as a
TXT file) and I will add it to the archive as well - this might save someone
else a lot of time.
Dave
--
dave06a (at) Dave Dunfield
dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com
com Collector of vintage computing equipment:
http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/index.html
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