5 Dec
2004
5 Dec
'04
9:56 p.m.
Heinz Wolter <h.wolter(a)sympatico.ca> wrote:
I wonder if it is possible to load BSD (quasisaurus)
on TU58, as I have
no 9 track take or ethernet on the system.
One TU58 cassette holds 256 KB of data. The root filesystem is about
5 MB, /usr about 21 MB. You do the math. That's just the binaries, more
for source.
MS
6 Dec
6 Dec
5:57 a.m.
20 tapes?
not so bad if loading from a pc emulated tu56 ;)
loading VMS must have been a bear as well..
what are other options if there is no ethernet?
slip/ppp? - once a basic system is loaded?
h
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Subject: Re: VAX 11/725
Heinz Wolter <h.wolter(a)sympatico.ca> wrote:
I wonder if it is possible to load BSD
(quasisaurus) on TU58, as I have
no 9 track take or ethernet on the system.
One TU58 cassette holds 256 KB of data. The root filesystem is about
5 MB, /usr about 21 MB. You do the math. That's just the binaries, more
for source.
MS
7:21 a.m.
"Heinz Wolter" wrote:
20 tapes?
not so bad if loading from a pc emulated tu56 ;)
loading VMS must have been a bear as well..
what are other options if there is no ethernet?
slip/ppp? - once a basic system is loaded?
I can't imagine doing this with out ethernet.
I hacked the netbsd boot program so it will copy via nfs to tape or
disk. Then I could copy the root file system to tape or to disk. I
ended up booting the miniroot and then using "rcp" to copy the tar files
which would normally be on the install tape into my disk (I have ra90,
which are big).
I think to be happy with an 11/725-730 you'll want ethernet. DELUA's
are pretty common and not very expensive.
-brad
1:06 p.m.
On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:57:30 -0500, Heinz Wolter <h.wolter(a)sympatico.ca> wrote:
20 tapes?
not so bad if loading from a pc emulated tu56 ;)
loading VMS must have been a bear as well..
I remember VMS 3.x fitting on a few tapes, but that was back in the
day when DEC was _shipping_ machines with 2MB of RAM (max of 8MB). At
SRC, our first 11/750 shipped with 512KB, max of 2 MB until I added
the magic wire and swapped out the memory controller. :-)
what are other options if there is no ethernet?
slip/ppp? - once a basic system is loaded?
If you mean BSD, I'd expect SLIP or PPP... the 11/725 _should_ have a
DMF-32 combo I/O card - 8 serial ports, 1 sync serial (for DDCMP,
etc.), one parallel that can be used to drive a line printer.
As for VMS... the connectivity options on older versions of VMS are
more limited. We used to use that sync port and a DECnet end-node
license key to hook it to a similar port on that 11/750 mentioned
above. It needs a sync modem eliminator in between (the modem
generates the clocking, not either end), and it's not quick, but you
can set up DECnet to move mail and copy files and log in remotely.
Ethernet is a possibility, of course, presuming you have a DEUNA or
DELUA.
-ethan
1:34 p.m.
On Mon, 6 Dec 2004, Ethan Dicks wrote:
On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:57:30 -0500, Heinz Wolter
<h.wolter(a)sympatico.ca> wrote:
I actually wrote a
driver that did IP-over-DDMCP on the VAX end,
with a modified IOS running at the other end, on a Cisco 2501.
Dont ask where I got that source ;-)
Still.. because the sync framing was done by the DDMCP chip on
the board, it was fairly fast- MUCH faster than SLIP or PPP would
be.
20 tapes?
not so bad if loading from a pc emulated tu56 ;)
loading VMS must have been a bear as well..
what are other options if there is no ethernet?
slip/ppp? - once a basic system is loaded?
If you mean BSD, I'd expect SLIP or PPP... the 11/725 _should_ have a
DMF-32 combo I/O card - 8 serial ports, 1 sync serial (for DDCMP,
etc.), one parallel that can be used to drive a line printer. As for VMS... the connectivity options on older
versions of VMS are
more limited. We used to use that sync port and a DECnet end-node
license key to hook it to a similar port on that 11/750 mentioned
above. It needs a sync modem eliminator in between (the modem
generates the clocking, not either end), and it's not quick, but you
can set up DECnet to move mail and copy files and log in remotely.
Ethernet is a possibility, of course, presuming you have a DEUNA or
DELUA.
This is why I usually grab all the sync modems I can lay my hands on;
fun for playing, and allows for totally awed viewers :)
--f
4:36 p.m.
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004, Fred N. van Kempen wrote:
Dont ask where I got that source ;-)
Ok.
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1:39 p.m.
Heinz Wolter <h.wolter(a)sympatico.ca> wrote:
Presumably, therefore, running it from a single R80 disk is not really
practical either (at least not if you want to have the sources, or at
least enough to rebuilt the kernel, on the disk).
-tony
I wonder if it is possible to load BSD
(quasisaurus) on TU58, as I have
no 9 track take or ethernet on the system.
One TU58 cassette holds 256 KB of data. The root filesystem is about
5 MB, /usr about 21 MB. You do the math. That's just the binaries, more
for source.
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