15 Nov
2014
15 Nov
'14
9:49 p.m.
From: Johnny Billquist
> (.. the page in the 11/94 User Guide .. pg. 1-4 -
is missing from
> all the online copies of that manual which I checked.)
> ...
> the pinout on the board is given in the KDJ11-E User's Guide
> (EK-KDJ1E-UG-001, available online)
PDP-11/9x manuals are not scarce at all. Where do you
people search???
If you actually read my message (the one you included in your reply), you
will see that I referenced _both_ of those (the 94 'MG' document is fully
titled the 'System User and Maintainence Guide' - I shorted that mouthful to
make it less work to type), and indicated they were available online.
And the '93' manual you list is not for the 93, but rather is for the KDJ11-E
CPU card, which is used in _both_ the 93 and 94. (That document is also
mostly duplicative of the 94-MG.) Needless to say, there's a lot more to
those systems than the CPU card, although some of it (e.g. the power
supplies) _may_ be documented separately; I haven't checked.
Typical DEC systems have a lot of other documents, none of which seem to be
available online for the 93/94, including (typically):
User Manual
Technical Manual
Maintainence Manual
Field Maintainence Print Set
Illustrated Parts Breakdown
For the KDJ11-E there does seem to be the "KDJ11-E CPU System Maintenance
Manual" (EK-403AA-MM-001), but that doesn't seem to be available online.
The one 11/94 document I know of (the System User and Maintainence Guide)
does reference the Field Maintainence Print Set for the 11/94 (MP-02637-01 -
but according to Manx, that's not available online), and the IPB. So probably
the other ones don't exist for the /94.
I don't know which of these documents even exist for the /93, since I can't
find a single 93-specific document - which might list what other /93
documents exist.
Noel
15 Nov
15 Nov
10:01 p.m.
On 11/15/14 1:49 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
Typical DEC systems have a lot of other documents,
none of which seem to be
available online for the 93/94, including (typically):
User Manual
Technical Manual
Maintainence Manual
Field Maintainence Print Set
Illustrated Parts Breakdown
None of which came for free with the systems, especially if they were OEMed.
Paper manuals pretty much dried up or became useless unless you were willing
to spend a lot of money for DEC gear by the mid-80s as the corporation abandoned
their traditional customer base of gear-heads.
I combed through the DEC company archive before it moved off-site at CHM and there
just wasn't much in there from the 80's.
It's pretty much just the odd manual from here and there that I'm adding now.
R80,
DMF32, DMP11 were uploaded recently, just waiting for the mirror rsyncs to start up
again.
10:25 p.m.
On 2014-11-15 13:49, Noel Chiappa wrote:
My mistake. I was conflating different things, and being too quick.
The comments about 11/9x manuals being scarce on the internet is what my
main point was. Both the manuals I referred to are available, and makes
I think that shows that documentation is not so scarce.
From: Johnny
Billquist
> (.. the page in the 11/94 User Guide .. pg.
1-4 - is missing from
> all the online copies of that manual which I checked.)
> ...
> the pinout on the board is given in the KDJ11-E User's Guide
> (EK-KDJ1E-UG-001, available online)
PDP-11/9x manuals are not scarce at all. Where do
you people search???
If you actually read my message (the one you included in your reply), you
will see that I referenced _both_ of those (the 94 'MG' document is fully
titled the 'System User and Maintainence Guide' - I shorted that mouthful to
make it less work to type), and indicated they were available online. And the '93' manual you list is not for the
93, but rather is for the KDJ11-E
CPU card, which is used in _both_ the 93 and 94. (That document is also
mostly duplicative of the 94-MG.) Needless to say, there's a lot more to
those systems than the CPU card, although some of it (e.g. the power
supplies) _may_ be documented separately; I haven't checked.
Agreed.
But since the CPU is the same for both the 11/93 and 11/94, what else is
in there is documented elsewhere.
Actual cabinet, power supply, box, and so on, are mostly generic DEC
bits, which have their own manuals.
If you want to know specific, unique 11/93-94 information, it's mostly
about the CPU module. Partly also the Unibus converter is relevant, even
if it is the same as in the 11/84.
But yes, sometimes drawings would be nice. :-)
Johnny
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