20 Jun
1999
20 Jun
'99
11:35 p.m.
I'm virtually apoplectic about this garbage that some of you may watched
tonight on TV (I certainly did NOT watch it).
If the facts and how they are perceived in the public's mind weren't
already distorted enough, this show totally trivializes the recent history
of computing. They would not do this with the Holocaust or Vietnam, so
how dare they create such a blatantly falsified story?
It will take years to undo the misconceptions and outright falsehoods this
show has promoted.
I'm truly outraged.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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21 Jun
21 Jun
2:34 p.m.
On Sun, 20 Jun 1999, Sellam Ismail wrote:
If the facts and how they are perceived in the
public's mind weren't
already distorted enough, this show totally trivializes the recent history
of computing. They would not do this with the Holocaust or Vietnam, so
how dare they create such a blatantly falsified story?
I assume that you're kidding. One can't know if there are misconceptions
without seeing the movie. To tell you the truth, I don't really respect
the recent history of computing all that much as to say that it could be
trivialized. However, I don't think that much could have been expected
from the same group that made a movie called
'Assault on Death Mountain'
(featured the previous week). I didn't see
the movie, by the way.
As for the Holocaust and Vietnam, Schindler's List or Rambo was already
bad enough. However,
i)The Holocaust was featured on Star Trek: Voyager back when I still
turned on the TV. The Holodeck was damaged, and Nazis trapped the crew
inside. Interestingly, they also managed to blast a hole in the holodeck
with their mortar.
ii)There was a made-for-tv movie once about Jews fleeing Denmark in WWII.
That movie was almost a comedy. In one scene, a Gestapo man breaks into an
apartment where sits an old man. He says, "You're coming with me". The old
man says, "No, my friend, _you_ are coming with me" at which point they
shoot each other and both die.
--Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)
http://scivault.hypermart.net: Ignorance is Impotence - Knowledge is Power
3:40 p.m.
On Sun, 20 Jun 1999, Sellam Ismail wrote:
If the facts and how they are perceived in the
public's mind weren't
already distorted enough, this show totally trivializes the recent history
of computing. They would not do this with the Holocaust or Vietnam, so
how dare they create such a blatantly falsified story?
After all, all the other stuff on TV is True, why not this?
- John
3:10 p.m.
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6:10 p.m.
On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, Tony Duell wrote:
For the benefit of those of us who don't get
American TV, could you
please explain what this programme (show?) was and what it got wrong?
A movie about Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Windows, Macintosh, Xerox, Apple,
MS, etc. entitled 'Pirates of Silicon Valley'
--Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)
http://scivault.hypermart.net: Ignorance is Impotence - Knowledge is Power
10:31 p.m.
My friend told me that the movie exactly parallels the book "Fire in
Silicon Valley" but I haven't read it so I'm not sure... eek.
Kevin
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On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, Max Eskin wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, Tony Duell wrote:
For the benefit of those of us who don't get
American TV, could you
please explain what this programme (show?) was and what it got wrong?
A movie about Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Windows, Macintosh, Xerox, Apple,
MS, etc. entitled 'Pirates of Silicon Valley'
--Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)
http://scivault.hypermart.net: Ignorance is Impotence - Knowledge is Power
6:44 p.m.
On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, Tony Duell wrote:
For the benefit of those of us who don't get
American TV, could you
please explain what this programme (show?) was and what it got wrong?
It was a made-for-TV movie that purported to be a history of personal
computers, although any resemblance between it and any persons or events
in the real world was strictly coincidental.
It had billg and Jobs as the two primary characters. Wozniak, Ballmer and
Allen had supporting roles. Ed Roberts, Makkula, Scully, Jobs' girlfriend
and daughter were the only other named characters. The Microsoft staff in
Albuquerque (Letwin, Wallace, etc.) were referred to as student workers.
Some of the narration was purportedly by Ballmer and some by Woz. Did
they have any say in content?
It started by saying that they were going to "rewrite history", but that
was probably merely referring to the making of the Apple 1984 ad, rather
than the more accurate application to the movie. The bizarre scene of the
meeting with IBM even had Ballmer turning to the camera and saying that it
should be taught that way in history classes!
It had scenes of Woz and Jobs in Berkeley with blue boxes, Gates, Allen
and Ballmer in Gates' Harvard dorm room, Microsoft in Albuquerque, then
without a transition, they seem to have placed Microsoft in Silicon
Valley. They show Microsoft approaching IBM to interest them in having an
OS ("It's called DOS"), shows Gates as ruthless, and shows Jobs having a
lot of tantrums.
and what it got wrong?
I don't know. Anybody want to address what it got right? SOME parts were
credible.
22 Jun
22 Jun
1:33 a.m.
On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, Tony Duell wrote:
Its a "story" (fictional) about the early days of Apple vs. Microsoft. I
don't even want to talk about it really. Just know it was horrible in
every way possible.
If anyone dares to pipe up and say they actually liked it I swear to you I
will unleash such a torrent of rage upon thee so please don't. Keep it to
yourself for your own good.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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I'm
virtually apoplectic about this garbage that some of you may watched
tonight on TV (I certainly did NOT watch it).
For the benefit of those of us who don't get American TV, could you
please explain what this programme (show?) was and what it got wrong?
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