23 Jun
2015
23 Jun
'15
3:50 p.m.
hp drives yes...
data printer no... correct name is data products
and a neat printer if you were just printing the first 20 col zone
I remember something about this model banging it out at 800 or 1000
lpm
at full 80 col it was 300 LPM
( This was the first formal sale our computer company had was to sell
a used one of these
to a consultant / programmer that did stuff on apple II systems ... I t
had one bad hammer coil and he moved it to col. 80 and swapped
the good one into the mid field he used the thing for years... we
were to later have one of these that came in with a HP 2000 system and it
served us well until replaced by a 600 LPM Data Products line printer
as we wanted to print wider than 80 col.
OK another odd thing - note tapes but lack of tape drives.
If only we could see what was in the rest of the room!
Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)
In a message dated 6/22/2015 1:49:38 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
jws at jwsss.com writes:
On 6/22/2015 9:16 AM, Douglas Taylor wrote:
I saw this newpaper photo on ebay, item 191606970872,
where these 2
big wigs are proudly standing in front of their computer system
looking over some printout.
The actual computers in the picture don't look familiar to me, can
anyone ID them?
Doug
The printers look like Data Printer 80 column printers. Can't tell
about the systems, but they appear to have what look like analog meters
on the panels, which is interesting.
23 Jun
23 Jun
5:12 p.m.
On 2015-Jun-23, at 12:50 PM, COURYHOUSE at aol.com wrote:
hp drives yes...
...
OK another odd thing - note tapes but lack of tape drives.
If only we could see what was in the rest of the room!
I think those are all disk cartridges, rather than tapes.
I was trying to guess what the blurred manufacturer name on the racks might be and find
matching pics on the web but no luck so far.
Looks like one capital letter followed by a number of half-height letters.
I find it odd that the while the drives are mid-70s+, the processor panels look like
something from the late-60s or even earlier.
5:28 p.m.
It could be a bunch of terminal multiplexers or communications controllers,
does not even have to be CPU's...
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Brent Hilpert <hilpert at cs.ubc.ca> wrote:
On 2015-Jun-23, at 12:50 PM, COURYHOUSE at aol.com
wrote:
hp drives yes...
...
OK another odd thing - note tapes but lack of tape drives.
If only we could see what was in the rest of the room!
I think those are all disk cartridges, rather than tapes.
I was trying to guess what the blurred manufacturer name on the racks
might be and find matching pics on the web but no luck so far.
Looks like one capital letter followed by a number of half-height letters.
I find it odd that the while the drives are mid-70s+, the processor panels
look like something from the late-60s or even earlier.
6:04 p.m.
On 2015-Jun-23, at 2:28 PM, william degnan wrote:
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Brent Hilpert
<hilpert at cs.ubc.ca> wrote:
Certainly, it's an assumption that they're CPUs, but then where are the CPUs? They
could be behind the blank panels but it would also be a little odd to completely cover
them up like that (no apparent power/reset/boot/run switches/lights). Might be CPU on the
bottom portion of the front panels (row of 16/17) and comms as you suggest on the upper
portion.
On 2015-Jun-23, at 12:50 PM, COURYHOUSE at
aol.com wrote:
It could be a bunch of terminal multiplexers or communications controllers,
does not even have to be CPU's... hp drives yes...
...
OK another odd thing - note tapes but lack of tape drives.
If only we could see what was in the rest of the room!
I think those are all disk cartridges, rather than tapes.
I was trying to guess what the blurred manufacturer name on the racks
might be and find matching pics on the web but no luck so far.
Looks like one capital letter followed by a number of half-height letters.
I find it odd that the while the drives are mid-70s+, the processor panels
look like something from the late-60s or even earlier.
6:42 p.m.
On 6/23/2015 12:50 PM, COURYHOUSE at aol.com wrote:
hp drives yes...
data printer no... correct name is data products
and a neat printer if you were just printing the first 20 col zone
I remember something about this model banging it out at 800 or 1000 lpm
II do
have an 80 column Dataprinter that looks like the one in the
photo, not a Data Products. Goes like hell at something like 5000 lines
/ min for 10 column with derating at various numbers of columns after.
thanks
Jim
24 Jun
24 Jun
12:39 a.m.
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 03:42:54PM -0700, jwsmobile wrote:
II do have an 80 column Dataprinter that looks like
the one in the photo,
not a Data Products.
There were two different companies, Data Printer and DataProducts.
Confused everyone even at the time IIRC.
mcl
1:14 a.m.
On 6/23/2015 9:39 PM, Mark Linimon wrote:
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 03:42:54PM -0700, jwsmobile
wrote:
The only reference I could find that separated them are to google for
the printer ribbons. I find a lot of the companies who list ribbons
don't purge their databases of even the most ridiculously old products,
and they list models.
I don't have my printer or manuals at hand, but the printer I referred
to that looks like the ones here was about 24" on a side. Mine was
effectively a table top unit, but there were ones with a bottom feed, etc.
Also a very large one which was full size, 14" and just as high speed
might be the one in the photo. It didn't come w/o a full floor
cabinet. I acquired both, but sold the larger one to a company doing
mailing labels for magazines, and also leased the smaller one to them
for a while.
Both could turn out 5" post cards at in incredible rate. We had to do a
bit of engineering to catch the output properly, as it was over 1000 lpm
with just a return address and mailing address.
Also I don't recall the Data Products ever scaling as fast by
restricting columns. At least our 2230, 2260 and 2290 UC only and 96
character set printers didn't. Got the same speed regardless of the
columns on those Data Products printers. They were drum, as were the
Data Printers, but apparently the hammer logic vs. the line feed was not
coupled as far a speeding up with fewer columns.
Thanks
jim
II do have an 80 column Dataprinter that looks
like the one in the photo,
not a Data Products.
There were two different companies, Data Printer and
DataProducts.
Confused everyone even at the time IIRC.
mcl 
4:19 a.m.
New subject: Printer ribbons [Was: Re: 1990 Era computer room]
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 10:14:00PM -0700, jwsmobile wrote:
The only reference I could find that separated them
are to google
for the printer ribbons. I find a lot of the companies who list
ribbons don't purge their databases of even the most ridiculously
old products, and they list models.
I just experienced the same thing with my newly found DATASAAB D16.
Google turns up three worthwhile mentions and whole host of ribbon
resalers.
I kind of assumed that the printer ribbon was the same as something else
and still awailable. Assuming I am wrong, what should I do to get a
printer ribbon with fresh ink?
/P
5:13 p.m.
New subject: Printer ribbons [Was: Re: 1990 Era computer room]
Get a printer ribbon from another printer, take the ribbon from the
cartridge and put it on the cartridge of your printer.
Some printers in Brazil I gotta do this, or else.
---
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Subject: Printer ribbons [Was: Re: 1990 Era computer room]
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 10:14:00PM -0700, jwsmobile
wrote:
The only reference I could find that separated
them are to google
for the printer ribbons. I find a lot of the companies who list
ribbons don't purge their databases of even the most ridiculously
old products, and they list models.
I just experienced the same thing with my newly found DATASAAB D16.
Google turns up three worthwhile mentions and whole host of ribbon
resalers.
I kind of assumed that the printer ribbon was the same as something else
and still awailable. Assuming I am wrong, what should I do to get a
printer ribbon with fresh ink?
/P 
10:40 p.m.
New subject: Printer ribbons [Was: Re: 1990 Era computer room]
Thirty years or so back I used to have a device called a 'MacInker' with which I
re-inked the ribbon spools for my OKI Microline 84 dot matrix printer.
This was a plastic plate with legs. It had a very slow rpm motor (perhaps 10rpm?) driving
an upward-facing spindle which would engage in the spool. The ribbon ran against a
cylindrical ink reservoir with a tiny hole in it, where it would be drawn onto the ribbon.
The ribbon was guided by adjusting
two O-rings on the reservoir. It was a universal device (the name had nothing to do with
Macintoshes) for printers, teletypes and typeriters and came with a few pins and spares to
suit different spools or catridges. I recall the ink was thicker and more oily than modern
inkjet ink, sort of like what
a stamp pad has. It was also very messy to operate, ink went everywhere as it continued to
drain out the pin hole in the cylinder.Original MacInkers seem to still be available
(Google images finds a few) but it certainly would not be difficult to build a workalike
device from Lego or a junked Microwave oven turntable motor.
Steve.
---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Re: Printer ribbons [Was: Re: 1990 Era computer room]
From: "Alexandre Souza" <alexandre.tabajara at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, June 25, 2015 7:13 am
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
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Get a printer ribbon from another printer, take the ribbon from the
cartridge and put it on the cartridge of your printer.
Some printers in Brazil I gotta do this, or else.
---
Enviado do meu Apple IIGS (pq eu sou chique)
Meu site: http://www.tabalabs.com.br
Meu blog: http://tabajara-labs.blogspot.com
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Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 5:19 AM
Subject: Printer ribbons [Was: Re: 1990 Era computer room]
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 10:14:00PM -0700,
jwsmobile wrote:
The only reference I could find that separated
them are to google
for the printer ribbons. I find a lot of the companies who list
ribbons don't purge their databases of even the most ridiculously
old products, and they list models.
I just experienced the same thing with my newly found DATASAAB D16.
Google turns up three worthwhile mentions and whole host of ribbon
resalers.
I kind of assumed that the printer ribbon was the same as something else
and still awailable. Assuming I am wrong, what should I do to get a
printer ribbon with fresh ink?
/P
11:30 p.m.
New subject: Printer ribbons [Was: Re: 1990 Era computer room]
It works if you have a good (but out of ink) ribbon/cartridge. But if you
doesn't, do as I said :)
2015-06-24 23:40 GMT-03:00 <steven at malikoff.com>:
Thirty years or so back I used to have a device called
a 'MacInker' with
which I re-inked the ribbon spools for my OKI Microline 84 dot matrix
printer.
This was a plastic plate with legs. It had a very slow rpm motor (perhaps
10rpm?) driving an upward-facing spindle which would engage in the spool.
The ribbon ran against a cylindrical ink reservoir with a tiny hole in it,
where it would be drawn onto the ribbon. The ribbon was guided by adjusting
two O-rings on the reservoir. It was a universal device (the name had
nothing to do with Macintoshes) for printers, teletypes and typeriters and
came with a few pins and spares to suit different spools or catridges. I
recall the ink was thicker and more oily than modern inkjet ink, sort of
like what
a stamp pad has. It was also very messy to operate, ink went everywhere as
it continued to drain out the pin hole in the cylinder.Original MacInkers
seem to still be available (Google images finds a few) but it certainly
would not be difficult to build a workalike device from Lego or a junked
Microwave oven turntable motor.
Steve.
---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Re: Printer ribbons [Was: Re: 1990 Era computer room]
From: "Alexandre Souza" <alexandre.tabajara at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, June 25, 2015 7:13 am
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <
cctalk at classiccmp.org>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Get a printer ribbon from another printer, take the ribbon from the
cartridge and put it on the cartridge of your printer.
Some printers in Brazil I gotta do this, or else.
---
Enviado do meu Apple IIGS (pq eu sou chique)
Meu site: http://www.tabalabs.com.br
Meu blog: http://tabajara-labs.blogspot.com
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Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 5:19 AM
Subject: Printer ribbons [Was: Re: 1990 Era computer room]
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 10:14:00PM -0700,
jwsmobile wrote:
The only reference I could find that separated
them are to google
for the printer ribbons. I find a lot of the companies who list
ribbons don't purge their databases of even the most ridiculously
old products, and they list models.
I just experienced the same thing with my newly found DATASAAB D16.
Google turns up three worthwhile mentions and whole host of ribbon
resalers.
I kind of assumed that the printer ribbon was the same as something else
and still awailable. Assuming I am wrong, what should I do to get a
printer ribbon with fresh ink?
/P 
25 Jun
25 Jun
12:04 a.m.
New subject: Printer ribbons [Was: Re: 1990 Era computer room]
On 06/24/2015 07:40 PM, steven at malikoff.com wrote:
I recall the ink was thicker and more oily than modern
inkjet ink,
sort of like what a stamp pad has.
Yup, about five years ago, I gave away mine on the Vintage Computer
forum. It had very little mileage on it, mostly because of the mess.
There are stamp pad inkers that use a very fine mesh that allows the ink
to seep through gradually. I've re-inked ribbons that way with better
success than with the Mac Inker (which I believe is still being
offered--"Computer Friends" I think is the outfit).
Then there's the old WD-40 and plastic bag trick...
--Chuck
24 Jun
24 Jun
12:33 p.m.
On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 22:14, jwsmobile wrote:
Also I don't recall the Data Products ever scaling
as fast by
restricting columns. At least our 2230, 2260 and 2290 UC only and 96
character set printers didn't. Got the same speed regardless of the
columns on those Data Products printers.
The HP 2767A service manual (02767-90002, available from Bitsavers) is a
reprint of the Data Products 2310 service manual. Page 1-17 says:
"The printer receives data from the user system and stores up to 20
characters in the buffer memory. [...] A full line of data is
printed in four zones, each zone having 20 consecutive print
positions. In this manner, the printer's 20 hammer drivers can be
time-shared among the 80 print positions."
...and the spec on page 1-5 says the print rate for the 64-character drum
is 356 lines per minute for 80 columns, 460 lpm for 60 columns, 650 lpm for
40 columns, and 1110 lpm for 20 columns.
I tested a 2767A as a customer of the HP Rockville, MD office in the early
1970s. As I recall, the character set wasn't staggered on the drum, and
the hammer force was constant, regardless of glyph area. The result of
printing a line of hyphens -- or worse, a line of periods -- was a very
loud bang and a neatly perfed page.
-- Dave
12:50 p.m.
ahh the memorys i worked at dataproducts from late 1978 to late 1980
they were awesome printers the B series used the 2900 series bit slice
building blocks
they were speed daemons for their time
its too bad that manufacturing in the USA has dropped because of cheap
Chinese
we may still have great companys like that making things here in the USA
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Also I don't recall the Data Products ever
scaling as fast by
restricting columns. At least our 2230, 2260 and 2290 UC only and 96
character set printers didn't. Got the same speed regardless of the
columns on those Data Products printers.
The HP 2767A service manual (02767-90002,
available from Bitsavers) is a
reprint of the Data Products 2310 service manual. Page 1-17 says:
"The printer receives data from the user system and stores up to 20
characters in the buffer memory. [...] A full line of data is
printed in four zones, each zone having 20 consecutive print
positions. In this manner, the printer's 20 hammer drivers can be
time-shared among the 80 print positions."
...and the spec on page 1-5 says the print rate for the 64-character drum
is 356 lines per minute for 80 columns, 460 lpm for 60 columns, 650 lpm for
40 columns, and 1110 lpm for 20 columns.
I tested a 2767A as a customer of the HP Rockville, MD office in the early
1970s. As I recall, the character set wasn't staggered on the drum, and
the hammer force was constant, regardless of glyph area. The result of
printing a line of hyphens -- or worse, a line of periods -- was a very
loud bang and a neatly perfed page.
-- Dave
2:43 p.m.
On 6/24/2015 9:50 AM, wulfman wrote:
ahh the memorys i worked at dataproducts from late
1978 to late 1980
they were awesome printers the B series used the 2900 series bit slice
building blocks
they were speed daemons for their time
its too bad that manufacturing in the USA has dropped because of cheap
Chinese
we may still have great companys like that making things here in the USA
We used their band printers a lot in the early to mid 80's. They were
very good printers.
Printronix moved to across the street from where I worked on Myford in
Tustin some years after that and made a good run, but I never used
Printronix after the P300 and P600. Next ones we used were CI-300's,
600's and 900's because we got an OEM deal thru them, and the above
mentioned Data Products band printers for applications requiring such
character sets, rather than the dot matrix.
Data Products was a great company for sure. Still glad to have the
2230's I have.
thanks
Jim
2:40 p.m.
On 6/24/2015 9:33 AM, J. David Bryan wrote:
On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 22:14, jwsmobile wrote:
The Data
Products 2310 isn't a 2230, 2260, or 2290. Those are later
models than the one
that is being discussed here. When you fired all the same characters on
these printers, however
the printer almost seemed like it wanted to move with a 64 character
model. It was possible to get
it to do that if you studied how to get the right pattern of characters.
Also I don't recall the Data Products ever
scaling as fast by
restricting columns. At least our 2230, 2260 and 2290 UC only and 96
character set printers didn't. Got the same speed regardless of the
columns on those Data Products printers.
The HP 2767A service manual (02767-90002,
available from Bitsavers) is a
reprint of the Data Products 2310 service manual. Page 1-17 says: "The printer receives data from the user
system and stores up to 20
characters in the buffer memory. [...] A full line of data is
printed in four zones, each zone having 20 consecutive print
positions. In this manner, the printer's 20 hammer drivers can be
time-shared among the 80 print positions."
...and the spec on page 1-5 says the print rate for the 64-character drum
is 356 lines per minute for 80 columns, 460 lpm for 60 columns, 650 lpm for
40 columns, and 1110 lpm for 20 columns.
I tested a 2767A as a customer of the HP Rockville, MD office in the early
1970s. As I recall, the character set wasn't staggered on the drum, and
the hammer force was constant, regardless of glyph area. The result of
printing a line of hyphens -- or worse, a line of periods -- was a very
loud bang and a neatly perfed page.
-- Dave
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