13 May
2019
13 May
'19
7:05 p.m.
You could have installed a gaming adapter, opened the
web page,
connected it to the wireless and been done.
Sure, but you assume I know anything about online gaming (I don't); it would
require purchasing one, *and* I already had the Linksys router and card,
just gathering dust for years!
I like to improvise with what's on hand rather than spending money on a
really ancient PC :)
13 May
13 May
7:21 p.m.
On 5/13/19 5:05 PM, Charles via cctalk wrote:
Sure, but you assume I know anything about online
gaming (I don't);
No, I do not.
"gaming adapter" is a broad category like "vacuum / hoover" or
"copier /
Xerox" or "tissue / Kleenex" or "automobile". All of which have
many
names that can be used equally across many different broad categories.
"Gaming adapters" take a wired computer and connect it to a wireless
network.
The fact that it has "gaming" in it's name does not in any way imply
that you must know anything about gaming of any kind.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
7:38 p.m.
On 5/13/19 4:21 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
"gaming adapter" is a broad category like
"vacuum / hoover" or "copier /
Xerox" or "tissue / Kleenex" or "automobile".? All of which have
many
names that can be used equally across many different broad categories.
"Gaming adapters" take a wired computer and connect it to a wireless
network.
So which term came first, "gaming adapter" or "network bridging"?
--Chuck
10:50 p.m.
On 5/13/19 5:38 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
So which term came first, "gaming adapter"
or "network bridging"?
Without a doubt, "network bridging". But good luck going into the
average box store (or possibly even online etailers) and getting someone
to know what a "network bridging" device is. Conversely, most of them
will know what a "gaming adapter" is.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
11:48 p.m.
On 5/13/19 7:50 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
On 5/13/19 5:38 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
Oh, I've given up on being understood. "RPG" today doesn't mean a
computer language anymore. It means either a game or a type of
explosive projectile launcher.
--Chuck
So which term came first, "gaming
adapter" or "network bridging"?
Without a doubt, "network bridging".? But good luck going into the
average box store (or possibly even online etailers) and getting someone
to know what a "network bridging" device is.? Conversely, most of them
will know what a "gaming adapter" is. 
9:17 a.m.
At 03:02 AM 5/14/2019, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2019, Grant Taylor wrote:
I've known the term "gaming adapter" because I knew it was the common
name for what I'd call a dedicated wireless network bridge. Just another
fine example of how gaming has come to dominate parts of the computer world.
They who sell the most get to name the thing.
Once you start playing with a few, you'll learn whether they are easy
or difficult to administer (usually via a web interface at a fixed IP),
whether you can truly rely on them, and the quirks of whatever method
they use to act like a no-cat network cable.
Are they truly layer 2 in every sense? Maybe not. Are they duping
MAC addresses in weird ways? Maybe. Many were designed and tested to
work with yesterday's gaming consoles, not necessarily all the subtle
nature of full-stack networking you might want to throw at it.
And yes, you can change the mode of other off-the-shelf consumer
firewall/router/WiFi AP devices to act like bridges.
Another option (that doesn't require any configuration) is the AC powerline
adapter, which will deliver a layer 2 connection across the power in
your walls.
I missed the start of this discussion... exactly why did you want to
rely on a wireless connection and couldn't string a network cable?
- John
"Gaming adapters" take a wired computer
and connect it to a wireless network.
That "adapter" has always been called a WLAN or wireless bridge. 
11:32 a.m.
On 14/05/2019 14:17, John Foust via cctalk wrote:
At 03:02 AM 5/14/2019, Christian Corti via cctalk
wrote:
But they probably don't. Almost every smart TV and settop box
manufacturer sells a wired-to-wireless bridge dongle, and I'd bet there
are more "wireless adapters" or "network adapters" sold for that
purpose
rather than gaming, simply because TVs, settop boxes and DVD/BluRay
players outsell gaming machines. And then there are the slightly more
sophisticated/robust ones sold by the likes of 3Com and Cisco, which
I've never seen called anything other than a "wireless bridge".
There are two or three groups at my university who regularly organise
gaming parties, or sometimes called "LAN parties" here, and plenty of
ad-hoc groups who also do so since the word got round that IT Services
was willing to provide some support for them. I've never heard the term
"gaming adapter" from them. Perhaps it's a piece of localised jargon.
The AV Services department, who use quite a lot of them for large TV
screens in lecture theatres, for remote lectures, teleconferencing, as
bulletin boards, etc always call them "wireless adapters" or sometimes
"network adapters".
When "gaming adapter" was first mentioned, one of the first things that
came to mind was the joystick-shaped gadget that fits over a keyboard to
press the up/down/left/right keys when you waggle it. Searching "gaming
adapter" throws up a lot of USB wireless dongles before wired Ethernet
ones. I don't really care what you or Grant call it yourself, but at
best the term is confusing, given it can mean at least two other things,
and it's certainly not any sort of canonical name as has been suggested.
--
Pete
Pete Turnbull
On Mon, 13 May 2019, Grant Taylor wrote:
I've known the term "gaming adapter" because I knew it was the common
name for what I'd call a dedicated wireless network bridge. Just another
fine example of how gaming has come to dominate parts of the computer world.
They who sell the most get to name the thing. "Gaming adapters" take a wired computer
and connect it to a wireless network.
That "adapter" has always been called a WLAN or wireless bridge.
13 May
13 May
7:37 p.m.
On 5/13/19 4:05 PM, Charles via cctalk wrote:
I guess it's a common human tendency to think that values that apply to
today's younger adults also apply to those of us in our "golden" years.
The last game that I recall playing with any frequency was Chess 3.0 on
a Cyber 74. Other games over the years have held my interest for only
a couple of hours, tops. For the last 30 years, I haven't even bothered
to look.
Fred, how about you?
--Chuck
You could have
installed a gaming adapter, opened the web page,
connected it to the wireless and been done.
Sure, but you assume I know anything about online gaming (I don't); it
would require purchasing one, *and* I already had the Linksys router and
card, just gathering dust for years! 
7:57 p.m.
On Mon, 13 May 2019, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
The last game that I recall playing with any frequency
was Chess 3.0 on
a Cyber 74. Other games over the years have held my interest for only
a couple of hours, tops. For the last 30 years, I haven't even bothered
to look.
Fred, how about you?
Adventure in the 1970s, Lode Runner and Tetris in the 1980s
I do sudokus ( www.websudoku.com/?level-4 )
Allison, how about you?
Al, how about you?
ARD, how about you?
Geneb has a flight simulator, . . .
14 May
14 May
12:04 a.m.
On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:57 AM Fred Cisin via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2019, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
I do the Sudoku and crossword puzzle in the newspaper most
days.
The last computer game I played was one of the Infocom
text adventures (I forget which one) about 25 years ago.
The last game that I recall playing with any
frequency was Chess 3.0 on
a Cyber 74. Other games over the years have held my interest for only
a couple of hours, tops. For the last 30 years, I haven't even bothered
to look.
Fred, how about you?
Adventure in the 1970s, Lode Runner and Tetris in the 1980s
I do sudokus ( www.websudoku.com/?level-4 )
Allison, how about you?
Al, how about you?
ARD, how about you? Geneb has a flight simulator, . . .
On the other hand I do not object to buyng something because
the _intended_ use is of no interest to me. Those who know me,
for example, will know I have little interest in physical exercise. But
I bought a mat intended for such activities because it was a suitable
material for lininng a carrying case for a piece of photographic
equipment.
I would happily buy something sold for computer gaming if I could
find a use for it.
-tony
12:10 a.m.
On 5/13/19 10:04 PM, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote:
On the other hand I do not object to buyng something
because the
_intended_ use is of no interest to me.
I hoist my drink to you.
If you have a use for it, great. If not, then pass. Oh, that's not the
intended use? Pft.
Those who know me, for example, will know I have
little interest in
physical exercise. But I bought a mat intended for such activities
because it was a suitable material for lininng a carrying case for
a piece of photographic equipment.
Sounds like a good use to me.
I would happily buy something sold for computer gaming
if I could
find a use for it.
;-)
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
1:15 a.m.
On 5/13/19 9:10 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
On 5/13/19 10:04 PM, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote:
> Those who know me, for example, will know I have
little interest in
> physical exercise. But I bought a mat intended for such activities
> because it was a suitable material for lininng a carrying case for a
> piece of photographic equipment.
I use yoga mat material as a benchtop cover, photo background, and
something to cushion my old bones when I'm crouching into a piece of
gear on floor. It's cheap--about $12 shipped for a mat from Amazon.
Never did, nor want to start doing yoga.
I just bought a batch of microscope slides and covers for a
non-microscope use. I'll see if the idea works before elaborating further.
--Chuck
1:48 a.m.
Those who know me, for example, will know I have
little interest in
physical exercise. But I bought a mat intended for such activities
because it was a suitable material for lininng a carrying case for a
piece of photographic equipment.
A deceased friend lined some airtight camera cases with foam that
deteriorated and destroyed expensive equipment (including Leica 200mm
visoflex lens).
Be careful.
2:01 a.m.
Those who know
me, for example, will know I have little interest in
physical exercise. But I bought a mat intended for such activities
because it was a suitable material for lininng a carrying case for a
piece of photographic equipment.
A deceased friend lined some airtight camera cases
with foam that
deteriorated and destroyed expensive equipment (including Leica 200mm
visoflex lens).
Be careful.
CORRECTION: the most expensive item destroyed was a Leica 180mm
Tele-Elmarit f2.8 lens. It had been mint condition before he put it in
the case. Not much damage to the glass, but it destroyed and pitted the
finish of the rest of the lens, removing all collector value.
10:19 a.m.
On Monday (05/13/2019 at 10:15PM -0700), Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 5/13/19 9:10 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
But now you are going to be bombarded with ads for yoga pants...
--
Chris Elmquist
On 5/13/19 10:04 PM, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote:
> Those who know me, for example, will know I
have little interest in
> physical exercise. But I bought a mat intended for such activities
> because it was a suitable material for lininng a carrying case for a
> piece of photographic equipment.
I use yoga mat material as a benchtop cover, photo background, and
something to cushion my old bones when I'm crouching into a piece of
gear on floor. It's cheap--about $12 shipped for a mat from Amazon.
Never did, nor want to start doing yoga. 
11:28 a.m.
On May 13, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2019, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
By and large, my opinion is that gaming is a waste of a life (and some cool hardware),
but, in addition to Gene?s flight simulator, I have to hold up one more counter-example:
Civilization IV. Emmy-winning theme music by Christopher Tin; narration by Leonard Nimoy.
- Mark
The last game that I recall playing with any
frequency was Chess 3.0 on
a Cyber 74. Other games over the years have held my interest for only
a couple of hours, tops. For the last 30 years, I haven't even bothered
to look.
Fred, how about you?
Adventure in the 1970s, Lode Runner and Tetris in the 1980s
I do sudokus ( www.websudoku.com/?level-4 )
Allison, how about you?
Al, how about you?
ARD, how about you?
Geneb has a flight simulator, . . . 
11:41 a.m.
On Tue, 14 May 2019, Tapley, Mark via cctalk wrote:
s/has a/has four..ish/
:)
g.
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Allison, how
about you?
Al, how about you?
ARD, how about you?
Geneb has a flight simulator, . . .
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