12 Sep
2001
12 Sep
'01
11:21 a.m.
I sincerely agree as to the tragedy of recent US events. My heart goes out to all
affected.
HOWEVER, this is a classic computer mailing list. The discussion on the WTC stuff is very
interesting, but it belongs on all the myraid of other lists present on the net for this
purpose.
What on EARTH posessed people to think we needed blow by blow updates on this list about
current world events? Think - if you have to put "OT" in the subject of your
message, it probably doesn't belong here.
Regards,
Jay West
12 Sep
12 Sep
11:43 a.m.
Thanks for the HTML.
Right now, it would seem that you are in the minority - as most people
seem to have more pressing issues than Classic Computers.
Jeffrey H. Ingber (jhingber _at_ ix.netcom.com)
On Wed, 2001-09-12 at 16:21, Jay West wrote:
I sincerely agree as to the tragedy of recent US
events. My heart goes out to all affected.
HOWEVER, this is a classic computer mailing list. The discussion on the WTC stuff is very
interesting, but it belongs on all the myraid of other lists present on the net for this
purpose.
What on EARTH posessed people to think we needed blow by blow updates on this list about
current world events? Think - if you have to put "OT" in the subject of your
message, it probably doesn't belong here.
Regards,
Jay West
12:08 p.m.
1) My apologies for the HTML. I was under the impression that it was turned
off on my desktop at work, it is definitely turned off on my system at home
(which is where I PREFER to deal with classiccmp issues). Since the daily
care and feeding of this list eats into my time at work (yeah, you're most
welcome Jeffrey), if I have to respond to something related to it at work I
would really prefer it if you'd just thank me for hosting this list and
suffer the very rare HTML indulgence of me posting from work. Unless you
would like to offer your services to host the list...but be prepared, I can
assure you its a pretty thankless job.
2) I really don't care if I'm in the minority or not. But more to the point,
this whole thread has already turned into political discussion and the
flames are starting. For example, see Sellam's recent email. I didn't
complain at first, but now that the discussion is decidedly turning into
political flaming again, I'm going to respond. Live with it.
3) From the flood of messages I got last time the discussion turned to
politics asking me to do something about it, I suggest you re-evaluate just
who is in the minority.
Nuff Said
Jay West
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Ingber" <jhingber(a)ix.netcom.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: ENOUGH ALREADY
Thanks for the HTML.
Right now, it would seem that you are in the minority - as most people
seem to have more pressing issues than Classic Computers.
Jeffrey H. Ingber (jhingber _at_ ix.netcom.com)
12:31 p.m.
Have you ever been amongst a group a friends, engaged in discussion?
Maybe you were talking about computers, sports, etc., and the discussion
begins to take another direction. The talk about computers may move
into classic computers, minicomputers, programming languages, software
design - you get the idea. The mailing list is a vehicle by which
people share their common interestes.
Right now, we have deviated from the topic of the mailing list. And
this will inevidibly happen again. If people disagree, that's the
nature of [intelligent] discussion. Politics, like computers, is an
element of society which directly effects the lives of eveyone who
patronize the list.
The mailing list has created a tight social circle, and people will
inevitably discuss the issues which are in the forefront of their
lives. I salute you for operating the mailing list as you are
performing a service for all its members. However, I think some
sensitiviy and leverage may be appropriate given the circumstances. The
US has faced inarguably, the worst tragedy whithin it's history and
thousands of lives we're lost yesterday.
Jeffrey H. Ingber (jhingber _at_ ix.netcom.com)
On Wed, 2001-09-12 at 17:08, Jay West wrote:
1) My apologies for the HTML. I was under the
impression that it was turned
off on my desktop at work, it is definitely turned off on my system at home
(which is where I PREFER to deal with classiccmp issues). Since the daily
care and feeding of this list eats into my time at work (yeah, you're most
welcome Jeffrey), if I have to respond to something related to it at work I
would really prefer it if you'd just thank me for hosting this list and
suffer the very rare HTML indulgence of me posting from work. Unless you
would like to offer your services to host the list...but be prepared, I can
assure you its a pretty thankless job.
2) I really don't care if I'm in the minority or not. But more to the point,
this whole thread has already turned into political discussion and the
flames are starting. For example, see Sellam's recent email. I didn't
complain at first, but now that the discussion is decidedly turning into
political flaming again, I'm going to respond. Live with it.
3) From the flood of messages I got last time the discussion turned to
politics asking me to do something about it, I suggest you re-evaluate just
who is in the minority.
Nuff Said
Jay West
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Ingber" <jhingber(a)ix.netcom.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: ENOUGH ALREADY
Thanks for the HTML.
Right now, it would seem that you are in the minority - as most people
seem to have more pressing issues than Classic Computers.
Jeffrey H. Ingber (jhingber _at_ ix.netcom.com)
12:34 p.m.
On 12 Sep 2001, Jeffrey Ingber wrote:
Thanks for the HTML.
Right now, it would seem that you are in the minority - as most people
seem to have more pressing issues than Classic Computers.
JAY IS THE MODERATOR OF THIS LIST.
As far as I'm concerned, what Jay says goes.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
3:05 p.m.
Well, I'll second Jay's opinion. I hope others who feel likewise will
do the same.
I understand your need to discuss these events. I suggest you do so
with your family, friends, and co-workers.
Respectfully,
John
Jeffrey Ingber wrote:
Thanks for the HTML.
Right now, it would seem that you are in the minority - as most people
seem to have more pressing issues than Classic Computers.
Jeffrey H. Ingber (jhingber _at_ ix.netcom.com)
On Wed, 2001-09-12 at 16:21, Jay West wrote:
I sincerely agree as to the tragedy of recent US
events. My heart goes out to all affected.
HOWEVER, this is a classic computer mailing list. The discussion on the WTC stuff is very
interesting, but it belongs on all the myraid of other lists present on the net for this
purpose.
What on EARTH posessed people to think we needed blow by blow updates on this list about
current world events? Think - if you have to put "OT" in the subject of your
message, it probably doesn't belong here.
Regards,
Jay West
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8:01 p.m.
Just what's the point of sending an empty message with an attachment?
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Ingber" <jhingber(a)ix.netcom.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: ENOUGH ALREADY
8:16 p.m.
Thats about they way I feel too. Classic Computers can wait.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
Jeffrey Ingber wrote:
Right now, it would seem that you are in the minority
- as most people
seem to have more pressing issues than Classic Computers.
Jeffrey H. Ingber (jhingber _at_ ix.netcom.com)
14 Sep
14 Sep
5:02 p.m.
Thanks for the netiquette lesson. Here's one for you:
When the moderator says you are off topic, then your
are OFF TOPIC.
John
P.S. All caps can also be used to provide EMPHASIS.
P.P.S. If you insist on prolonging this assanine thread, then please
reply to me directly and leave the list out ot it.
Chad Fernandez wrote:
Nope this ones fine, thanks.... and don't shout.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
John W. Linville wrote:
>
> If that is the way you feel, the PLEASE FIND ANOTHER MAILING LIST!
>
> Chad Fernandez wrote:
> >
> > Thats about they way I feel too. Classic Computers can wait.
9:02 p.m.
The only thing I did in this thread was to agree with Jeffrey Ingber.
It is reasonable to let Jay know how I feel on the matter.... I'm just
on the other side. I wasn't being rude or insulting, or telling him
what to do...... and I kept it short.
I replied once, and wouldn't have replied again, but for your rude
comments about finding another list. Why didn't you reply off list if
that is so important to you?
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
John W. Linville wrote:
Thanks for the netiquette lesson. Here's one for you:
When the moderator says you are off topic, then your
are OFF TOPIC.
John
P.S. All caps can also be used to provide EMPHASIS.
P.P.S. If you insist on prolonging this assanine thread, then please
reply to me directly and leave the list out ot it.
12 Sep
12 Sep
1:05 p.m.
I, for one, have appreciated the freedom allowed by the list owner to
use this list as a forum for opinion. I have read every single 'OT'
post with undivided attention and I appreciate all our diverse views.
However, when Jay says enough, that means enough. It's his list.
<http://www.classiccmp.org/contact.html>
Thanks Jay, for putting up with us all.
Jim Arnott
1:12 p.m.
You know, I don't think you're going to get these guys to shut up. I'm
starting to come to the point that I see that the people who are members of
this list are birds of a feather, and they are going to want to talk about
things among themselves besides just computers. The thought of going to
another group of people to talk about these things doesn't appeal. A common
bond of friendship (or pseudo-enmity, in some cases) has already been
created, and to say that you have to go outside your group of friends to
discuss certain topics might not be reasonable.
You have not created a topic, you have created a community. The community is
strongly interested in classic computers, but they need to talk about other
things too. A solution other than shushing the OT discussions might be
appropriate. I suggest an experiment: create a second list called
classiccmp-OT(a)classiccmp.org, and see what happens. If it doesn't help, you
can just delete the second list.
I don't think it would be profitable to split things up too much, but it
might help to just acknowledge that this community does have things to talk
about other than computers.
--
Jonathan Engdahl Rockwell Automation
Principal Research Engineer 24800 Tungsten Road
Advanced Technology Euclid, OH 44117, USA
Euclid Labs engdahl(a)cle.ab.com 216-266-6409
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jay West
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:21 PM
To: classiccmp
Subject: ENOUGH ALREADY
I sincerely agree as to the tragedy of recent US events. My heart goes out
to all affected.
HOWEVER, this is a classic computer mailing list. The discussion on the WTC
stuff is very interesting, but it belongs on all the myraid of other lists
present on the net for this purpose.
What on EARTH posessed people to think we needed blow by blow updates on
this list about current world events? Think - if you have to put "OT" in the
subject of your message, it probably doesn't belong here.
Regards,
Jay West
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