3 Nov
2015
3 Nov
'15
7:56 p.m.
From: Rich Alderson
You know, the same company that does not have
dis[kc]s, but DASD.
Some guy from IBM came to MIT to give a talk about some database system that
they had, and he kept referring to 'DASD'. Puzzled looks. Finally some brave
soul stuck up his hand, and asked was a DASD might be. Quoth the guy, 'round
brown'! :-) He was actually very sharp, and we liked his system, but I don't
recall anything about it, other than that line!
Noel
3 Nov
3 Nov
9:37 p.m.
On 11/03/2015 11:56 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
RMS = "Rotating Mass Storage" = CDC term.
--Chuck
From: Rich
Alderson
You know, the same company that does not have
dis[kc]s, but DASD.
Some guy from IBM came to MIT to give a talk about some database
system that they had, and he kept referring to 'DASD'. Puzzled looks.
Finally some brave soul stuck up his hand, and asked was a DASD might
be. Quoth the guy, 'round brown'! :-) He was actually very sharp, and
we liked his system, but I don't recall anything about it, other than
that line! 
4 Nov
4 Nov
7:25 a.m.
New subject: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]
On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 01:37:27PM -0800, Chuck Guzis wrote:
RMS = "Rotating Mass Storage" = CDC term.
That so explains this picture:
https://stallman.org/RMS_13_bendicindo.jpg
:-D
/P
7:42 a.m.
New subject: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]
On 11/03/2015 11:25 PM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 01:37:27PM -0800, Chuck Guzis
wrote:
Cool. How about "label" versus VTOC versus "folder" versus
"directory"
versus "FNT"...versus...?
So many names...
--Chuck
RMS = "Rotating Mass Storage" = CDC term.
That so explains this picture:
https://stallman.org/RMS_13_bendicindo.jpg
:-D 
4:42 p.m.
New subject: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]
On Tue, 3 Nov 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Cool. How about "label" versus VTOC versus
"folder" versus "directory"
versus "FNT"...versus...?
So many names...
Was it considered "copyright infringement" to use the same terminology as
somebody else? Like "standards" everybody had a unique one of their own.
4:52 p.m.
New subject: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]
On Nov 4, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Fred Cisin <cisin at
xenosoft.com> wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote:
No, it could not be. It could be trademark infringement if the term in question was
considered a trademark by its originator, but terms like the ones we've been talking
about have never been trademarks.
paul
Cool. How about "label" versus VTOC
versus "folder" versus "directory" versus
"FNT"...versus...?
So many names...
Was it considered "copyright infringement" to use the same terminology as
somebody else?
5:05 p.m.
New subject: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]
>> Cool. How about "label" versus VTOC
versus "folder" versus "directory" versus
"FNT"...versus...?
>> So many names...
> Was it considered "copyright infringement" to use the same terminology as
somebody else?
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Paul Koning wrote:
No, it could not be. It could be trademark
infringement if the term in question was considered a trademark by its originator, but
terms like the ones we've been talking about have never been trademarks.
Sarcasm is not obvious??
The lack of emoticons is why people today only see children's stories in
Gulliver's Travels, instead of the nasty social commentary.
My comment was not a serious question about the LAW. It was about the
idiocy of creating a new set of names for parts that were the same, by
each manufacturer. And speculating that maybe they were so idiotic that
THEY considered it to be "copyright infringement".
"Hmmm. What else could we call the keyboard?"
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
5:08 p.m.
New subject: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Fred Cisin wrote:
"Hmmm. What else could we call the
keyboard?"
FADID. Where do I send the consulting bill?
g.
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ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
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5:16 p.m.
New subject: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Fred Cisin wrote:
> "Hmmm. What else could we call the keyboard?"
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, geneb wrote:
FADID. Where do I send the consulting bill?
I'm not familiar with that one.
It just might be unique enough to keep anybody from confusing our fadids
from somebody else's keyboards
5:24 p.m.
New subject: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Fred Cisin wrote:
Finger Accessible Data Input Device.
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
On Wed, 4 Nov
2015, Fred Cisin wrote:
> "Hmmm. What else could we call the keyboard?"
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, geneb wrote:
FADID. Where do I send the consulting bill?
I'm not familiar with that one.
It just might be unique enough to keep anybody from confusing our fadids from
somebody else's keyboards 
5:36 p.m.
New subject: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 9:24 AM, geneb <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, geneb wrote:
Finger Accessible Data Input Device.
DADDID -- Digit Accessible Digital Data Input Device
-- Charles
"Hmmm. What else could we call the
keyboard?"
FADID. Where do I send the consulting bill?
I'm not familiar with that one.
It just might be unique enough to keep anybody from confusing our fadids
from somebody else's keyboards
5:46 p.m.
New subject: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Charles Anthony wrote:
*hiss* A competitor!
I'll sue!
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, geneb wrote:
Finger Accessible Data Input Device.
DADDID -- Digit Accessible Digital Data Input Device FADID. Where do I send the consulting bill?
I'm not familiar with that one.
It just might be unique enough to keep anybody from confusing our fadids
from somebody else's keyboards
5 Nov
5 Nov
12:39 a.m.
New subject: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]
On Wednesday (11/04/2015 at 09:05AM -0800), Fred Cisin wrote:
My comment was not a serious question about the LAW. It was about
the idiocy of creating a new set of names for parts that were the
same, by each manufacturer. And speculating that maybe they were so
idiotic that THEY considered it to be "copyright infringement".
"Hmmm. What else could we call the keyboard?"
Is this how we get Sketches and Shields instead of Programs and
Daughterboards from the Parallel Universe known as Arduino Land?
Don't mind me... I'll get back to working on my Beaglebone Cape.
--
Chris Elmquist
4 Nov
4 Nov
5:14 p.m.
New subject: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]
On 11/04/2015 08:42 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
Was it considered "copyright infringement"
to use the same
terminology as somebody else? Like "standards" everybody had a
unique one of their own.
I don't think so; they're just terms of art. But didn't/doesn't Intel
claim copyright on their opcode mnemonics? I can't see how that could
possibly work out.
--Chuck
5:37 p.m.
New subject: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]
On 11/04/2015 10:42 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote:
But, IBM had a WHOLE dictionary full of IBM-specific terms
for everything.
memory was storage (or main storage)
disks were direct access storage devices (DASD)
tapes were sequential access
the register set of the 360 was local store (or local storage)
microcode was in control store
and, there is a LOT more of this that escapes me at the moment.
Jon
Cool. How about "label" versus VTOC
versus "folder"
versus "directory" versus "FNT"...versus...?
So many names...
Was it considered "copyright infringement" to use the same
terminology as somebody else? Like "standards" everybody
had a unique one of their own.
5:49 p.m.
New subject: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]
On 2015-11-04 1:37 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
On 11/04/2015 10:42 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
ROS (Read Only Memory)
On S/38 and descendants disk storage is referred to as Auxiliary
Storage and is grouped in pools know as ASP or Auxiliary Storage Pool
On some systems you had to IML (Initial Microcode Load) before IPL also
for machines like terminal controllers the control program was called
microcode so when you started it up you would do an IML.
Paul.
On Tue, 3 Nov 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote:
But, IBM had a WHOLE dictionary full of IBM-specific terms for
everything.
memory was storage (or main storage)
disks were direct access storage devices (DASD)
tapes were sequential access
the register set of the 360 was local store (or local storage)
microcode was in control store
and, there is a LOT more of this that escapes me at the moment.
Jon Cool. How about "label" versus VTOC
versus "folder" versus
"directory" versus "FNT"...versus...?
So many names...
Was it considered "copyright infringement" to use the same
terminology as somebody else? Like "standards" everybody had a
unique one of their own.
7:07 p.m.
New subject: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]
On 11/04/2015 09:49 AM, Paul Berger wrote:
ROS (Read Only Memory)
Same for CDC.
Given the weird and wonderful storage devices that were developed in
earlier days, calling a random-access (although it could be posited that
tape can be random access) storage device a "disk" is just wrong in may
cases.
Consider:
UNIVAC FASTRAND -- a movable-head jumbo drum.
IBM 2321 - Data celld drive
NCR CRAM - magnetic card
etc.
Even now, the use of SSD to describe a bunch of flash devices is
wrong--the things aren't even round.
--Chuck
7 p.m.
New subject: RMS [was Re: Terminology [was RE: IBM z890]]
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Jon Elson <elson at pico-systems.com> wrote:
On 11/04/2015 10:42 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
Microcode was in ROS - Read-Only Storage... which had different
implementations: CCROS - Capacitative Card ROS - in the 2030; TROS -
Transformer ROS - in the 2040 etc. etc.
Mike
http://www.corestore.org
'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame.
For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
On Tue, 3 Nov 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote:
But, IBM had a WHOLE dictionary full of IBM-specific terms for everything.
memory was storage (or main storage)
disks were direct access storage devices (DASD)
tapes were sequential access
the register set of the 360 was local store (or local storage)
microcode was in control store
and, there is a LOT more of this that escapes me at the moment.
Cool. How about "label" versus VTOC versus "folder" versus
"directory"
versus "FNT"...versus...?
So many names...
Was it considered "copyright infringement" to use the same terminology as
somebody else? Like "standards" everybody had a unique one of their own.
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