11 Jun
2006
11 Jun
'06
1:30 p.m.
Hi,
I have been working on my 11/44 for a while and finally
go it to boot and find the drives. (RA80's) I believe
it had more than the (2) I have. Drive ID buttons say
0 and 2.
The system booted RSTS 1 time and of coarse asked for the
password. I shut down the system and went back to the
"books" for a while. I then tried to boot it up again
the next day and receive the following.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
CONSOLE
17777707 173064
>>~
CONSOLE
17777707 173012
>>
User-defined address for Device DZ1: not
found - device disabled.
(this was there before)
RSTS V8.0-07 EVERETT XXXXXXXX (DU0) INIT V8.0-07
Option: START
Disk is being rebuilt - wait ...
DU0 Error UDASA P.OPCD P.STS P.BCNT P.BUFF P.BUF2 P.LBN
000000 000241 000010 000000 000000 000000 000000
Unrecoverable disk error on DU0
PC=121232 PS=030341 OV=000022 M5=001600 M6=003242 SP=041266
R0=000000 R1=077777 R2=042125 R3=172150 R4=041410 R5=140026
SP-> 026220 000006 000002 150103 000001 041410
Fatal RSTS/E system initialization error!
Option: HELP
The valid RSTS initialization options are:
DSKINT Initialize disk to RSTS file structure
COPY Copy minimal system to disk
PATCH Patch a file
HARDWR Set controller characteristics
INSTALL Install a monitor SIL
REFRESH Manipulate files in [0,1]
DEFAULT Set monitor defaults
SET Set device characteristics
START Start timesharing
<LF> Start timesharing (fast)
BOOT Bootstrap a device
SAVRES SAVE or RESTORE a RSTS/E disk
IDENT Display version of INIT and installed SIL
HELP Type this HELP message
FILL Set console fill for INIT
Only the first two characters need be typed.
Option:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I would guess it has disk/File problems of some sort. I
know very little about RSTS and it looks like its
a steep learning curve. The second drive has some kind
of internal control problems and shuts off if it is accessed
by the 11/44. it was left (Off). The system has been setting
for 10 years before I got it. I try to keep each system
intack if possible. The Dead TU80 is my next project. On
the bright side it did come with a SCSI card.
Thanks, Jerry
Jerry Wright
JLC inc
g-wright at att.net
12 Jun
12 Jun
12:08 p.m.
Jerry Wright wrote:
You probably have a hardware error.
I'd run diagnostics on the RA80, and see what it says.
Last machine that I had that used RA8* drives (a 11/83) kept
failing the HDA's. After replacing the drives 3 times, I finally
replaced them with RD54's. Only problem since then was a
noisy drive (ground connector on the spindle making a lot of
noise, but no other problems). I don't think the RA* HDA's age
very well.
Hi,
I have been working on my 11/44 for a while and finally
go it to boot and find the drives. (RA80's) I believe
it had more than the (2) I have. Drive ID buttons say
0 and 2.
The system booted RSTS 1 time and of coarse asked for the password. I
shut down the system and went back to the "books" for a while. I then
tried to boot it up again
the next day and receive the following.
To get passed the password: It will eventually ask the
question "Start timesharing". Answer "NO" and you
will drop into command mode as 1,2.
Reset passwords, and shutdown: "run $shutup".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
CONSOLE
17777707 173064
>> ~
>
CONSOLE
17777707 173012
>>
User-defined address for Device
DZ1: not found - device disabled.
(this was there before)
RSTS V8.0-07 EVERETT XXXXXXXX (DU0) INIT V8.0-07
Option: START
Disk is being rebuilt - wait ...
DU0 Error UDASA P.OPCD P.STS P.BCNT P.BUFF P.BUF2 P.LBN
000000 000241 000010 000000 000000 000000 000000
Unrecoverable disk error on DU0
PC=121232 PS=030341 OV=000022 M5=001600 M6=003242 SP=041266
R0=000000 R1=077777 R2=042125 R3=172150 R4=041410 R5=140026
SP-> 026220 000006 000002 150103 000001 041410
Fatal RSTS/E system initialization error!
Option: HELP
The valid RSTS initialization options are:
DSKINT Initialize disk to RSTS file structure
COPY Copy minimal system to disk
PATCH Patch a file
HARDWR Set controller characteristics
INSTALL Install a monitor SIL
REFRESH Manipulate files in [0,1]
DEFAULT Set monitor defaults
SET Set device characteristics
START Start timesharing
<LF> Start timesharing (fast)
BOOT Bootstrap a device
SAVRES SAVE or RESTORE a RSTS/E disk
IDENT Display version of INIT and installed SIL
HELP Type this HELP message
FILL Set console fill for INIT
Only the first two characters need be typed.
Option:
If you have a SCSI card, I'd probably hook up some (smallish)
SCSI disks. I don't know what the maximum size RSTS can
handle is, but I suspect it is in the 1Gb range.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I would guess it has disk/File problems of some sort. I
know very little about RSTS and it looks like its
a steep learning curve. The second drive has some kind of internal
control problems and shuts off if it is accessed
by the 11/44. it was left (Off). The system has been setting for 10
years before I got it. I try to keep each system
intack if possible. The Dead TU80 is my next project. On
the bright side it did come with a SCSI card.
Thanks, Jerry
Jerry Wright
JLC inc
g-wright at att.net
2:53 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Wright
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 12:30 PM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Any DEC RSTS folks out there, need help
Hi,
I have been working on my 11/44 for a while and finally go it
to boot and find the drives. (RA80's) I believe it had more
than the (2) I have. Drive ID buttons say 0 and 2.
The system booted RSTS 1 time and of coarse asked for the
password. I shut down the system and went back to the
"books" for a while. I then tried to boot it up again the
next day and receive the following.
How long did you let the disks run? You sid yourself it had been sitting,
I'd let the disks sit spun up for at least 4 hours.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
CONSOLE
17777707 173064
>>~
CONSOLE
17777707 173012
>>
User-defined address for Device
DZ1: not found - device disabled.
(this was there before)
RSTS V8.0-07 EVERETT XXXXXXXX (DU0) INIT V8.0-07
Option: START
Disk is being rebuilt - wait ...
DU0 Error UDASA P.OPCD P.STS P.BCNT P.BUFF P.BUF2 P.LBN
000000 000241 000010 000000 000000 000000 000000
Unrecoverable disk error on DU0
PC=121232 PS=030341 OV=000022 M5=001600 M6=003242 SP=041266
R0=000000 R1=077777 R2=042125 R3=172150 R4=041410 R5=140026
SP-> 026220 000006 000002 150103 000001 041410
Fatal RSTS/E system initialization error! On the bright side it did come with a SCSI card.
Ugh! Then don't mess with the RA80s! If you like to look at them, leave
them there, but they suck way too much power for everyday use. At least
that's how I feel.
For my 11/23+ I did my RSTS installs on a simulator then used unix 'dd' to
copy the files over to the 10gb scsi disk I use.
For the /34a which has two RL02s, I prepared the images with simh then used
vtserver to copy the images to the RL02 packs. (10MB takes about 2 to 3
hours)
I run v9.6 on the /23+ and v8.0 on the /34a.
5:46 p.m.
On the bright
side it did come with a SCSI card.
Ugh! Then don't mess with the RA80s! If you like to look at them, leave
them there, but they suck way too much power for everyday use. At least
that's how I feel. For my 11/23+ I did my RSTS installs on a simulator
then used unix 'dd' to
copy the files over to the 10gb scsi disk I use.
Cool! I've been saying this should work, but this is the first I've heard
of anyone actually doing it. How did you create the disk image you
installed RSTS onto?
This would have the added advantage of not having to have the system up for
*days* while RSTS prepares the HD. Just a single pass on a 2GB drive takes
about a day on my /73, IIRC.
For the /34a which has two RL02s, I prepared the
images with simh then used
vtserver to copy the images to the RL02 packs. (10MB takes about 2 to 3
hours)
If you have the hardware, a VMS box is very useful for this. I have a
MicroVAX III outfited with RA72's and 73's, hooked up to a RL01 and RL02 for
just this sort of thing, the downside is it is seriously buried in storage :^(
Even a MicroVAX II CPU and RAM, along with an RLV12 that can be swapped into
the chassis the /23+ uses might do the trick.
Zane
6:21 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Zane H. Healy
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 4:46 PM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Any DEC RSTS folks out there, need help
everyday use.
I just let SIMH make it - I used a RA92 image I think.
On the
bright side it did come with a SCSI card.
Ugh! Then don't mess with the RA80s! If you like to look at them,
leave them there, but they suck way too much power for At least that's how I feel.
Agreed! OTOH, he's running RSTS/E V8, and I'm not sure if it
will support SCSI drives. Also, he doesn't mention if it is
a disk, tape, or disk/tape controller. It might very well be
a tape only controller :^(
For my 11/23+ I did my RSTS installs on a
simulator then used unix
'dd' to copy the files over to the 10gb scsi disk I use.
Cool! I've been saying this should work, but this is the
first I've heard of anyone actually doing it. How did you
create the disk image you installed RSTS onto?
This would have the added advantage of not having to have the
system up for
*days* while RSTS prepares the HD. Just a single pass on a
2GB drive takes about a day on my /73, IIRC.
*shrug* My UC07 can split a drive into partitions, so I went ahead and did
that. After I split the drive I initialized the other 2GB partition and it
took about an hour and a half.
For the /34a which has two RL02s, I prepared the
images
with simh then
used vtserver to copy the images to the RL02
packs. (10MB
takes about
2 to 3
hours)
If you have the hardware, a VMS box is very useful for this.
I have a MicroVAX III outfited with RA72's and 73's, hooked
up to a RL01 and RL02 for just this sort of thing, the
downside is it is seriously buried in storage :^( Even a MicroVAX II CPU and RAM, along with an RLV12
that can
be swapped into the chassis the /23+ uses might do the trick.
Zane
7:39 p.m.
someone, who knows who, wrote:
>
> > For my 11/23+ I did my RSTS installs on a simulator then used unix
> > 'dd' to copy the files over to the 10gb scsi disk I use.
>
> Cool! I've been saying this should work, but this is the
> first I've heard of anyone actually doing it. How did you
> create the disk image you installed RSTS onto?
You know, I did this recently. I started with the V9.2 tapes and
made an image with simh and then dd'd it to a zip drive (thanks eric,
good idea!) and then tried to boot it on my 11/44.
I think, however, that the simh session thought I was running on an
11/73 and when I went to run in on an 11/44, something went wrong. I
got a lot of messages complaining about the cluster size being wrong.
It didn't run rsts.
I plan to try again, telling simh i'm on a unibus machine, but I was
curious if anyone one else had see this. I told it I was using an rd31.
tiny, but big enough.
I've had good luck doing this (i.e. making an image with simh and dd-ing
it to a scsi disk) with rt11 and 211bsd. It's a quick way to bootstrap
when you have unibus hardware you (ahem) might have forgotten to remove
the battery backup jumpers from (dd11-dk) or NPR jumpers, or what other
whatnot. But it does require a unibus (or qbus) scsi card.
I could also just have a partition on the /23+ (which
also has an RLV12 in
it) with Ultrix-11 or BSD, transfer the disk images to the SCSI drive over
TCP/IP, and use 'dd' on there to copy the images over to the cartridges.
I've done that too. rcp is my friend. I did it running 2.11bsd,
however, using and 11/53 cpu in a qbus chassis. I used a kda-50 to
write an SDI disk and then moved the SDI disk to a uda-50 unibus
machine.
-brad
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