11 Jul
2014
11 Jul
'14
7:04 p.m.
I don't know how many of you fine people are familiar with the MUMPS
programming language, but MUMPS development accounts for about 50% of
my income. Considering that it has as storied of a background as UNIX
(having been first implemented in ~1966), and is old, I'm wondering if
any of you have any thoughts about it.
Also, I'm wondering if any private collections have any older MUMPS
implementations around, not necessarily so that I can try to get them,
but so that I can find out if they've been preserved. Since
InterSystems bought out Digital Standard MUMPS, as well as
contemporaries from Micronetics and DataTree, these old
implementations seem rare and hard to find. I've long wanted to get
ahold of a VAX-based MUMPS implementation, but the closest thing I've
ever found is an installed copy of DSM for Alpha on a cluster I picked
up, with no media.
Any thoughts or information?
jpw
12 Jul
12 Jul
10:13 a.m.
On Jul 11, 2014, at 10:04 PM, John Willis <chocolatejollis38 at gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know how many of you fine people are
familiar with the MUMPS
programming language, but MUMPS development accounts for about 50% of
my income. Considering that it has as storied of a background as UNIX
(having been first implemented in ~1966), and is old, I'm wondering if
any of you have any thoughts about it.
I don?t know MUMPS, and I?ve only seen it once or twice.
My first job at DEC was product support for Typeset-11 (TMS-11). Right next to our group
was the development team for Assist-11, which was a telephone directory assistance
database product implemented in MUMPS.
Wasn?t MUMPS-11 an OS rather than just a language? Or DSM-11 (DEC Standard MUMPS). I
thought that ASSIST-11 ran on that OS. From the descriptions I heard, the performance was
amazingly high, for doing fuzzy text queries on a large database ? which after all is what
telephone directory lookups is all about.
paul
10:24 a.m.
On 7/12/14 10:13 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
Wasn?t MUMPS-11 an OS rather than just a language?
MUMPS goes back a LONG way, back to a PDP-7 at Mass General Hospital
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUMPS
I did some digging in the DEC archives at CHM and there are a few things on bitsavers
now, but there isn't much that I was able to find that has survived. It had its own
DECUS SIG newsletter.
5:18 p.m.
New subject: GT.M - was Re: MUMPS compiler/interpreter preservation
On 12/07/14 1:13 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
On Jul 11, 2014, at 10:04 PM, John Willis <chocolatejollis38 at gmail.com> wrote:
next to our group was the development team for Assist-11, which was a
telephone directory assistance database product implemented in MUMPS.
I don't know how many of you fine people are
familiar with the MUMPS
programming language, but MUMPS development accounts for about 50% of
my income. Considering that it has as storied of a background as UNIX
(having been first implemented in ~1966), and is old, I'm wondering if
any of you have any thoughts about it.
I don?t know MUMPS, and I?ve only seen it once or twice.
My first job at DEC was product support for Typeset-11 (TMS-11).
Right
Wasn?t MUMPS-11 an OS rather than just a language? Or DSM-11 (DEC
Standard MUMPS).
I thought that ASSIST-11 ran on that OS. From the
descriptions I heard, the performance was amazingly high, for doing
fuzzy text queries on a large database ? which after all is what
telephone directory lookups is all about.
GT.M, a modern derivative, is no slouch either:
http://www.fisglobal.com/products-technologyplatforms-gtm
--Toby
paul
5:41 p.m.
New subject: GT.M - was Re: MUMPS compiler/interpreter preservation
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Toby Thain <toby at telegraphics.com.au> wrote:
On 12/07/14 1:13 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
It's not necessarily obvious from that link that GT.M is Free Software
(AGPL/GPLv2):
http://sourceforge.net/projects/fis-gtm/
Wasn?t MUMPS-11 an OS rather than just a
language?
GT.M, a modern derivative, is no slouch either:
http://www.fisglobal.com/products-technologyplatforms-gtm
7:57 p.m.
New subject: GT.M - was Re: MUMPS compiler/interpreter preservation
On 12/07/14 8:41 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Toby Thain <toby
at telegraphics.com.au> wrote:
Right, worth pointing out.
--Toby
On 12/07/14 1:13 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
It's not necessarily obvious from that link that GT.M is Free Software
(AGPL/GPLv2):
http://sourceforge.net/projects/fis-gtm/
Wasn?t MUMPS-11 an OS rather than just a
language?
GT.M, a modern derivative, is no slouch either:
http://www.fisglobal.com/products-technologyplatforms-gtm 
2:56 p.m.
On 11 July 2014 22:04, John Willis <chocolatejollis38 at gmail.com> wrote
(in part):
I don't know how many of you fine people are
familiar with the MUMPS
programming language,
I recall Phillipe Kahn writing that Borland was asked to produce a
TurboMUMPS. (I have nothing useful to add.)
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