10 Jul
2000
10 Jul
'00
3:04 p.m.
What is an IBM system/1 ?
There is quite the pile of manuals for a IBM System/1 sitting in the hallway.
My main interest is in all those nice looking IBM folders, most of which
are the type that can hold large greenbar paper, ie, paper with that
sort of tractor feed hole pattern. dark navy with IBM in white, with
navy lines interruping the graphic, you know, standard old fashioned
IBM logo...
-Lawrence LeMay
4:16 p.m.
A minicomputer. In some sense an incompatible
followon to the
IBM 1130 & 1800.
And a real dud, at that. It was to be a family of PDP-11 killers. IBM
started to figure out what DEC was all about in the early 1970s, and the
S/1 (actually its a "Series", not a "System" - nit) was born. I think
they started being deployed in 1976 or so. They were big on intelligent
I/O (many of the I/O cards look about as complex as the processor!). In
terms of architecture, they were roughly CISCy, like a PDP-11 or 16 bit
"S/360".
The S/1s turned out to be a huge flop. The PDP-11 didn't die. In the S/1s
defense, they were well built. Comparing an S/1 to a PDP-11 shows just
how much ahead of DEC IBM was in the field of packaging and integration.
Please save the docs! If noone who actually has a
System/1 needs them,
I'd like to have them, and would be happy to pay postage.
Yes, please save the docs. I think a few of us have S/1 hardware (I do,
anyway) that may need docs.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
5:26 p.m.
Someone wrote...
> A minicomputer. In some sense an incompatible
followon to the
> IBM 1130 & 1800.
Is the IBM System/1 the same as an IBM Series1 ? As I recall from my Pick
days, in the Pick environment at least this system was configured as a FEP
for Pick/370 on a 4331 or could run a standalone system running a different
version of Pick from CDI. If this is the system I'm thinking of, it had a
rather large programmers front panel that was a square pressure sensitive
membrane keypad. I remember it made a totally obnoxious dull "bleep" each
time a key on the keypad was pressed....
Jay West
7:35 p.m.
rather large programmers front panel that was a square
pressure sensitive
membrane keypad. I remember it made a totally obnoxious dull "bleep" each
time a key on the keypad was pressed....
Sounds like mine! Hmm, haven't played
around with it in a while... A
4956-K00 if I remember correctly. BEEP! BEEP! BEEP! BEEP! Wish I had
a 120v hard drive and software for it, it's kinda useless sitting
there with just the CPU and a tape drive :-( To the person with the
manuals, could you go through and post the model numbers for the
items that the manuals go with?
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8:08 p.m.
I feel so cheated - mine has the featureless panel.
IPL, and...thats
about it...
LOL! Well, since mine isn't operational right now, all it does is
make it looks nice. Nice to know it's there though. All it does is
plug into the CPU card. I'll have to check my documentation - all I
seem to have is service manuals, maybe there's a schematic in there
of the panel.
Which model do you have? Is it running?
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8:24 p.m.
New subject: Need to snoop in boxes in Silicon Valley
I am going to be in Palo Alto and San Jose Wednesday and Thursday, and need
to look in some nice boxes of junk (Apple/Mac/PS-2 etc. type junk). Since I
am missing all the local swapmeets and two auctions at home I really need
some kind of substitute junk fix. ;)
11 Jul
11 Jul
5:24 a.m.
New subject: Need to snoop in boxes in Silicon Valley
Wierd Stuff (Sunnyvale)
Mike Ford wrote:
I am going to be in Palo Alto and San Jose Wednesday
and Thursday, and need
to look in some nice boxes of junk (Apple/Mac/PS-2 etc. type junk). Since I
am missing all the local swapmeets and two auctions at home I really need
some kind of substitute junk fix. ;)
8:09 a.m.
New subject: Need to snoop in boxes in Silicon Valley
On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Mike Ford wrote:
They've got pallets. I don't even know what a "gaylord" is but I
don't
think I'd want to go poking around in one of those ;)
But seriously, you'll like WeirdStuff. It's a retail junk store.
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Wierd Stuff
(Sunnyvale)
<sigh> a retail store. ;)
I need pallets and gaylords to poke in. ;)
9:40 a.m.
New subject: Need to snoop in boxes in Silicon Valley
On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Mike Ford wrote:
They've got pallets. I don't even know what a "gaylord" is but I
don't
think I'd want to go poking around in one of those ;)
But seriously, you'll like WeirdStuff. It's a retail junk store.
A "gaylord" is the big cardboard box that fits on top of a standard pallet.
Origin of the name is I think from shipping apples, most I see these days
vary between apple and plastic pellet shipping prior to there final usage.
They are fairly standard in bulk material handling.
I always try to stop at WeirdStuff, but it seems more like Fry's each trip.
I like to find the smaller "feeder" outfits that typically supply the
retail stores with the better goods, and scrap the rest. Takes time though,
dig through the boxes one place, meet another digger and swap sites. Some
of my best tips come from talking (arm twisting) people I meet at various
junk spots. Lots of the time you have to be REALLY patient, and learn to
fill in the gaps like in a game of clue.
Wierd
Stuff (Sunnyvale)
<sigh> a retail store. ;)
I need pallets and gaylords to poke in. ;) 
11:13 a.m.
New subject: Need to snoop in boxes in Silicon Valley
-> A "gaylord" is the big cardboard box that fits on top of a standard
pallet.
-> Origin of the name is I think from shipping apples, most I see these
days
-> vary between apple and plastic pellet shipping prior to there final
usage.
-> They are fairly standard in bulk material handling.
Gaylord is the name of the first company that made them, located in
Gaylord, MI, IIRC.
Bill
Bill Dawson
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Be not the first by whom the new are tried,
Nor yet the last to lay the old aside.
Essay on Criticism, Alexander Pope
8:13 a.m.
New subject: Need to snoop in boxes in Silicon Valley
IIRC get to know Alltronics and go in on a good sunny
Saturday and they might let you look behind the counters,
at the other half of the store where they haul in the
fresh carcasses. Got to do that at 'Wierd' too, but waay
back when they were in Milpitas or thereabouts.
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