8 Feb
2017
8 Feb
'17
7:06 p.m.
Its literally Christmas for me today.
I came into physical position of a well optioned-out SPARCserver 1000e,
accompanied by several SPARC Storage Arrays.
I'm doing a physical review of the 1000e, i.e. re-seating boards, physical clean
up, etc. And reviewing all the appropriate hardware documentation, still
available, directly from Oracle.
Anyway, on the front of the case is a (4) position power switch (i.e. standby,
on, DIAG, lock), that is unfortunately not set to the on position.
Hoping that someone out there either has a key that they will part with, or,
knows of another (presumably Sun) key that will work in the 1000e key switch.
Thanks for looking,
Jerry @ 75077
8 Feb
8 Feb
7:11 p.m.
Got a picture of it?
I found that old PS/2 keys work in PDP-11 and VAX boxes, might work in the
SparcServer, too. (I don't remember any of the Sparcs att he Univerisity having
keys but they were old and maybe Sun came up with a reason to add one.)
bill
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Subject: need (physical) key for Sun SPARCserver 1000e
Its literally Christmas for me today.
I came into physical position of a well optioned-out SPARCserver 1000e,
accompanied by several SPARC Storage Arrays.
I'm doing a physical review of the 1000e, i.e. re-seating boards, physical clean
up, etc. And reviewing all the appropriate hardware documentation, still
available, directly from Oracle.
Anyway, on the front of the case is a (4) position power switch (i.e. standby,
on, DIAG, lock), that is unfortunately not set to the on position.
Hoping that someone out there either has a key that they will part with, or,
knows of another (presumably Sun) key that will work in the 1000e key switch.
Thanks for looking,
Jerry @ 75077
7:23 p.m.
On 02/ 8/17 06:11 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
Got a picture of it?
No, I do not. I was literally just gifted with this less than 8 hours ago, and
I have what I have. I even hit up several search engines and came up null.
I found that old PS/2 keys work in PDP-11 and VAX boxes, might work in the
SparcServer, too. (I don't remember any of the Sparcs att he Univerisity having
keys but they were old and maybe Sun came up with a reason to add one.)
Its the old ones that have the physical keys. The key position stuff is still
there in the new stuff, but it is all set via firmware.
The SPARCserver 1000/1000e is a 1992 vintage computer.
Jerry
bill
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Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 7:06 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: need (physical) key for Sun SPARCserver 1000e
Its literally Christmas for me today.
I came into physical position of a well optioned-out SPARCserver 1000e,
accompanied by several SPARC Storage Arrays.
I'm doing a physical review of the 1000e, i.e. re-seating boards, physical clean
up, etc. And reviewing all the appropriate hardware documentation, still
available, directly from Oracle.
Anyway, on the front of the case is a (4) position power switch (i.e. standby,
on, DIAG, lock), that is unfortunately not set to the on position.
Hoping that someone out there either has a key that they will part with, or,
knows of another (presumably Sun) key that will work in the 1000e key switch.
Thanks for looking,
Jerry @ 75077
7:50 p.m.
Bill wrote...
Got a picture of it?
Jerry Replied....
No, I do not
See http://theor.jinr.ru/~sazonov/guide/sun/ss1000e.png
J
9 Feb
9 Feb
12:44 a.m.
Just a little more info.
I was informed that the key I need is part #330-1651 .
This key was shared by the SS1000, SC2000, StorEdge L1000, StorEdge L140,
StorEdge L400, SPARCstorage Library Model 8/400, 8/140, and possibly other
hardware of that vintage.
Thanks for looking,
Jerry
On 02/ 8/17 06:50 PM, Jay West wrote:
Bill wrote...
Got a picture of it?
Jerry Replied....
No, I do not
See http://theor.jinr.ru/~sazonov/guide/sun/ss1000e.png
J
12:57 a.m.
On a misc side note, you might be able to change it with a set of
picks/paper clip.
Your mileage may vary though.
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 at 05:44, Jerry Kemp <other at oryx.us> wrote:
Just a little more info.
I was informed that the key I need is part #330-1651 .
This key was shared by the SS1000, SC2000, StorEdge L1000, StorEdge L140,
StorEdge L400, SPARCstorage Library Model 8/400, 8/140, and possibly other
hardware of that vintage.
Thanks for looking,
Jerry
On 02/ 8/17 06:50 PM, Jay West wrote:
Bill wrote...
Got a picture of it?
Jerry Replied....
No, I do not
See http://theor.jinr.ru/~sazonov/guide/sun/ss1000e.png
J
1:29 a.m.
Hello Yvan,
Thanks for the reply. I did just go try. No luck though.
Given that I now have a P/N for the key, and that it was used across a wide
assortment of equipment, right now, I'm feeling pretty confident that one will
pop up somewhere.
Only time will tell.
Worse case, maybe its a legitimate justification to purchase one of those lock
pick sets I see on the Internet. :)
Jerry
On 02/ 8/17 11:57 PM, Yvan Janssens wrote:
On a misc side note, you might be able to change it
with a set of
picks/paper clip.
Your mileage may vary though.
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 at 05:44, Jerry Kemp <other at oryx.us> wrote:
> Just a little more info.
>
> I was informed that the key I need is part #330-1651 .
>
> This key was shared by the SS1000, SC2000, StorEdge L1000, StorEdge L140,
> StorEdge L400, SPARCstorage Library Model 8/400, 8/140, and possibly other
> hardware of that vintage.
>
> Thanks for looking,
>
> Jerry
>
3:06 p.m.
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 09, 2017 at 12:29:17AM -0600, Jerry Kemp wrote:
...
>>I was informed that the key I need is part #330-1651 .
>>
>>This key was shared by the SS1000, SC2000, StorEdge L1000, StorEdge L140,
>>StorEdge L400, SPARCstorage Library Model 8/400, 8/140, and possibly other
>>hardware of that vintage.
Thanks for the reply. I did just go try. No luck
though.
Given that I now have a P/N for the key, and that it was used across
a wide assortment of equipment, right now, I'm feeling pretty
confident that one will pop up somewhere.
Only time will tell.
I believe I have the correct key. Although I no longer have my 1000e,
I still have a storage box which uses this key, so I'm not ready to
part with it yet. I'm 95% sure this key fit my 1000e, but it has been
a few years.
http://files.markgthomas.com/dl/sunkey/
I thought maybe having a picture would help in finding the correct key.
Worse case, maybe its a legitimate justification to
purchase one of
those lock pick sets I see on the Internet. :)
I also remember successfully turning the keyswitch on my 1000e using a
small screwdriver and a paperclip. There is a knack to getting the
pins to stick in the right places while applying just slight turning
pressure with the screwdriver. You may be able to unlock the keyswitch
if you read about pin tumbler locks, no official "picks" necessary.
Mark
--
Mark G. Thomas (Mark at Misty.com), KC3DRE
3:16 p.m.
Or, you could just open up the box and replace the switch with one that doesn't
require a key.
bill
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Cc: Jerry Kemp
Subject: Re: need (physical) key for Sun SPARCserver 1000e
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 09, 2017 at 12:29:17AM -0600, Jerry Kemp wrote:
...
>>I was informed that the key I need is part #330-1651 .
>>
>>This key was shared by the SS1000, SC2000, StorEdge L1000, StorEdge L140,
>>StorEdge L400, SPARCstorage Library Model 8/400, 8/140, and possibly other
>>hardware of that vintage.
Thanks for the reply. I did just go try. No luck
though.
Given that I now have a P/N for the key, and that it was used across
a wide assortment of equipment, right now, I'm feeling pretty
confident that one will pop up somewhere.
Only time will tell.
I believe I have the correct key. Although I no longer have my 1000e,
I still have a storage box which uses this key, so I'm not ready to
part with it yet. I'm 95% sure this key fit my 1000e, but it has been
a few years.
http://files.markgthomas.com/dl/sunkey/
I thought maybe having a picture would help in finding the correct key.
Worse case, maybe its a legitimate justification to
purchase one of
those lock pick sets I see on the Internet. :)
I also remember successfully turning the keyswitch on my 1000e using a
small screwdriver and a paperclip. There is a knack to getting the
pins to stick in the right places while applying just slight turning
pressure with the screwdriver. You may be able to unlock the keyswitch
if you read about pin tumbler locks, no official "picks" necessary.
Mark
--
Mark G. Thomas (Mark at Misty.com), KC3DRE
12 Feb
12 Feb
7:59 a.m.
On 09/02/17 20:06, Mark G Thomas wrote:
http://files.markgthomas.com/dl/sunkey/
I thought maybe having a picture would help in finding the correct key.
A little part of me wants to get hold of one of these keys and the
matching lock, match it to a key blank and measure the bitting...
Cheers,
--
Phil.
classiccmp at philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/
13 Feb
13 Feb
2:58 a.m.
On 2017-02-12 07:59, Philip Pemberton wrote:
On 09/02/17 20:06, Mark G Thomas wrote:
Am i wrong in thinking all sun keys are identical up until the E25K?
Like i said earlier, my V890 key works in all my circa ~1990 sun gear.
These keys are pretty easy to find on ebay (in the US anyways).
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-Fire-V880-Server-Bezel-Key-/272532177241?hash=i…
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUN-MICROSYSTEMS-KEYS-350-1651-01-/111613413055?has…
http://files.markgthomas.com/dl/sunkey/
I thought maybe having a picture would help in finding the correct
key.
A little part of me wants to get hold of one of these keys and the
matching lock, match it to a key blank and measure the bitting...
Cheers,
7:45 p.m.
On 13/02/17 07:58, alexmcwhirter at triadic.us wrote:
On 2017-02-12 07:59, Philip Pemberton wrote:
330-1651. Well there you have it (just mis-listed as 350-1651). I'm not
about to pay $60 shipping on a pair of keys though :)
Maybe someone with a key and a set of callipers can match up a blank at
Home Depot and measure it up :P
Cheers,
--
Phil.
classiccmp at philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/
On 09/02/17 20:06, Mark G Thomas wrote:
Am i wrong in thinking all sun keys are identical up until the E25K?
Like i said earlier, my V890 key works in all my circa ~1990 sun gear.
These keys are pretty easy to find on ebay (in the US anyways).
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-Fire-V880-Server-Bezel-Key-/272532177241?hash=i…
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUN-MICROSYSTEMS-KEYS-350-1651-01-/111613413055?has…
http://files.markgthomas.com/dl/sunkey/
I thought maybe having a picture would help in finding the correct key.
A little part of me wants to get hold of one of these keys and the
matching lock, match it to a key blank and measure the bitting...
Cheers, 
14 Feb
14 Feb
11:50 a.m.
Maybe someone with a key and a set of callipers can
match up a blank at
Home Depot and measure it up :P
NO.
Try a LOCKSMITH.
Home Depot does not have a selection of keys. They have some car keys,
some padlock keys (that MIGHT match), and TWO house keys (Schlage SC1 and
Kwikset KW1, although they have more than a hundred different novelty
heads on those) They are no good, if you want the third, fourth, or fifth
most common housekey!
Take a key to a locksmith and get a copy, to peddle to one of those
seeking that key. Even if your locksmith is so curmudgeonly that he won't
tell you anything, Note the numbers stamped on the blank. It is trivially
easy to measure the depths of the cuts, and with the "depth and spacing"
standards for that blank, you can guess them from the picture.
We had no difficulty on this list decoding the DEC XX2247 key.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
1:40 p.m.
Hello Fred,
Thank you for the post.
This is really a chicken vs egg issue here.
Apparently, no one right now has a copy of this key.
No one seems to even have a picture of the key.
There have been a couple of pictures + eBay sales shared that show, what I would
call newer keys. I label them newer keys because the keys shown have a purple
plastic surround molded on to them.
Does that mean they won't work? I don't know. The 1000e is a 1992 vintage box.
If I recall correctly, Sun's purple era was early 2000's.
Someone out there has a spare of the key I need. I feel confident that
ultimately it will turn up sooner or later.
Jerry
On 02/14/17 10:50 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
Maybe someone
with a key and a set of callipers can match up a blank at
Home Depot and measure it up :P
NO.
Try a LOCKSMITH.
Home Depot does not have a selection of keys. They have some car keys, some
padlock keys (that MIGHT match), and TWO house keys (Schlage SC1 and Kwikset
KW1, although they have more than a hundred different novelty heads on those)
They are no good, if you want the third, fourth, or fifth most common housekey!
Take a key to a locksmith and get a copy, to peddle to one of those seeking that
key. Even if your locksmith is so curmudgeonly that he won't tell you anything,
Note the numbers stamped on the blank. It is trivially easy to measure the
depths of the cuts, and with the "depth and spacing" standards for that blank,
you can guess them from the picture.
We had no difficulty on this list decoding the DEC XX2247 key.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
2:15 p.m.
On Tue, 14 Feb 2017, Jerry Kemp wrote:
Hello Fred,
Thank you for the post.
This is really a chicken vs egg issue here.
Apparently, no one right now has a copy of this key.
No one seems to even have a picture of the key.
There have been a couple of pictures + eBay sales shared that show, what I
would call newer keys. I label them newer keys because the keys shown have a
purple plastic surround molded on to them.
Does that mean they won't work? I don't know. The 1000e is a 1992 vintage
box. If I recall correctly, Sun's purple era was early 2000's.
Someone out there has a spare of the key I need. I feel confident that
ultimately it will turn up sooner or later.
Yeah, it happens. can be real frustrating to wait
The plastic "surround" on the bow started showing up on car ignition keys
about 1970, and the same keyways were available with plastic ("rubber") or
metal bow, so it is not necessarily incompatible.
In the meantime, take a close look at the keyhole, and see if the milling
(side grooves) seem to be the same as the one in the eBay ads. If so,
then a locksmith might be able to match you up with a blank, and some
could cut a key based on one of those pictures, iff they are willing.
(not legal in some towns)
Can you get the box open without the key?
If so, then you can rig up jumper cables to bypass it.
And, you should be able to physically remove the lock and take it to a
locksmith. A locksmith can pick it open, and/or disassemble it and make
a key.
If not, take the whole machine to the locksmith to have them pick it open.
They make it look easy.
Those are not very high security, and should be relatively easy to pick.
Or, buy a set of lockpicks on eBay, and use it to practice on. If at
first, you don't succeed, use LESS pressure on your torsion tool.
Periodically, stop, and listen carefully as you release it, to hear how
many of the pins you had set.
I hate to suggest drilling it out, since that is wasteful and should not
be necessary
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
4:10 p.m.
On Tue, 14 Feb 2017, Jerry Kemp wrote:
Someone out there has a spare of the key I need. I feel confident that
ultimately it will turn up sooner or later.
Worse case, just take the lock switch out of the chassis and find a local
locksmith that'll make you a key. It's a pretty common thing for them.
g.
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5:52 p.m.
On Tue, 14 Feb 2017, geneb wrote:
Worse case, just take the lock switch out of the
chassis and find a local
locksmith that'll make you a key. It's a pretty common thing for them.
A properly designed lock can not be removed with the case closed.
A properly designed case can not be opened with the lock locked.
Similarly, many locks can not be removed, nor disassembled with the lock
locked.
Is THIS one properly designed?
The key in the eBay picture is for a lock that would be as pickable as a
domestic door lock.
6 p.m.
On 2017-02-14 17:52, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2017, geneb wrote:
A paperclip, a small flathead screwdriver, and about 5 minutes of time
will get you in. These locks were never meant for security (that's why
they are all keyed the same), they are meant to keep you from
accidentally resetting the box.
Worse case, just take the lock switch out of the
chassis and find a
local locksmith that'll make you a key. It's a pretty common thing
for them.
A properly designed lock can not be removed with the case closed.
A properly designed case can not be opened with the lock locked.
Similarly, many locks can not be removed, nor disassembled with the
lock locked.
Is THIS one properly designed?
The key in the eBay picture is for a lock that would be as pickable as
a domestic door lock.
9 Feb
9 Feb
1:55 a.m.
On 2017-02-09 00:44, Jerry Kemp wrote:
Just a little more info.
I was informed that the key I need is part #330-1651 .
This key was shared by the SS1000, SC2000, StorEdge L1000, StorEdge
L140, StorEdge L400, SPARCstorage Library Model 8/400, 8/140, and
possibly other hardware of that vintage.
Thanks for looking,
Jerry
On 02/ 8/17 06:50 PM, Jay West wrote:
> Bill wrote...
>> Got a picture of it?
>
> Jerry Replied....
>> No, I do not
>
> See http://theor.jinr.ru/~sazonov/guide/sun/ss1000e.png
>
> J
>
If i recall correctly, sun used that same up until the sun4v era. My
V890 key works in my E6K for what it's worth.
5:10 p.m.
This page was a hit from the PN below, and looks like an interesting
reference to save away.
http://www.shrubbery.net/~heas/sun-feh-2_1/Devices/AC_Power/ACPOWER_Keys.ht…
thanks
Jim
On 2/8/2017 9:44 PM, Jerry Kemp wrote:
Just a little more info.
I was informed that the key I need is part #330-1651 .
This key was shared by the SS1000, SC2000, StorEdge L1000, StorEdge
L140, StorEdge L400, SPARCstorage Library Model 8/400, 8/140, and
possibly other hardware of that vintage.
Thanks for looking,
Jerry
On 02/ 8/17 06:50 PM, Jay West wrote:
Bill wrote...
Got a picture of it?
Jerry Replied....
No, I do not
See http://theor.jinr.ru/~sazonov/guide/sun/ss1000e.png
J
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