5 Dec
1999
5 Dec
'99
12:07 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: Innfogra(a)aol.com <Innfogra(a)aol.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Sunday, December 05, 1999 2:03 PM
Subject: ebay feedback
In a message dated 12/5/1999 10:22:16 AM Pacific
Standard Time,
rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes:
No you can't anymore. If you detect or suspect fraud then
anyone can report
that to Safe Harbor, the customer service department. I have done that, and
like keeping up with spares, if you have a good reason for suspicions you
should report it.
The old adage still holds, "If it is too good to be true then it generally
isn't." Some frauds are easy to detect.
The "IBM MF' guy is just stupid. I bet his item gets no bids. Stupid people
don't deserve a response.
The DEC card in France. I don't think I would send cash up front to him.
However he could just be a low budget person, this may be just fine. Scrap
value on that card is about $8.00 in todays market.
David Winter (the guy in France) has bid on some of my items and always paid
quickly. He seems to collect boards but does not buy entire systems.
Can you list negative feedback for a person even if you had no dealings
with them???
I don't think any IBM 1130 is worth more than a
couple of hundred in scrap
by
the way. I suspect less than that.
Then I guess the scrappers will be outbidding you..... The larger 1960 mini
computers had a lot more gold in them than the '70s models as the gold was
plated thicker in the '60s. The 1130 (from what I can remember) has more
than $100US in aluminum in it (just cpu + printer). I don't know what the
gold content is.. (I'll find out.. I know a company that does).. BTW I just
lost an IBM 360 to a gold scrapper [bid more than me]. Some of the metal
scrappers I know never bothered to look at gold content.. what's scaring the
hell out of me are these guys that know to the penny what they can extract
out of it and generally bid a lot higher than most.
john
PDP-8 and other rare mini computers
http://www.pdp8.com
Paxton
5 Dec
5 Dec
8:06 p.m.
New subject: Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback
Upon the date 01:07 PM 12/5/99 -0500, John B said something like:
Gold was a lot cheaper per ounce back in those days compared to now even
when considering inflation. US$35 an ounce I think I recall in the late
60's/early 70's before it really shot up in price. Was up to US$700 or so
for a short time a couple of decades ago. Around US$300 per ounce now I
think. So it would be probable to find connectors, circuit card
connections, etc. with a heavier layer of gold on a 60's-vintage machine
like the 1130. Also, there was a whole *heap* more connections in such a
machine vs. the highly integrated mainframes/minis of rather recent times.
This gives a better perspective of what those scrappers will pay for a
machine. But $4K for an 1130 as John reported hearing still seems high.
Other really precious metals inside of it? Platinum? Goo-gobs of silver (at
about US$3 an ounce)?
-----Original Message-----
From: Innfogra(a)aol.com <Innfogra(a)aol.com>
-- snip --
I don't
think any IBM 1130 is worth more than a couple of hundred in scrap
by
the way. I suspect less than that.
Then I guess the scrappers will be outbidding you..... The larger 1960 mini
computers had a lot more gold in them than the '70s models as the gold was
plated thicker in the '60s. The 1130 (from what I can remember) has more
than $100US in aluminum in it (just cpu + printer). I don't know what the
gold content is.. (I'll find out.. I know a company that does).. BTW I just lost an IBM 360 to a gold scrapper [bid more than me].
Some of the metal
scrappers I know never bothered to look at gold content.. what's scaring the
hell out of me are these guys that know to the penny what they can extract
out of it and generally bid a lot higher than most.
Sounds like they have a network or something in which they describe (or
boast about) what they've salvaged.
Regards, Chris
-- --
Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian
Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net
Member of Antique Wireless Association
URL: http://www.antiquewireless.org/
9:34 p.m.
New subject: Scrap value of machines (was Re: ebay feedback)
On Sun, 5 Dec 1999, John B wrote:
David Winter (the guy in France) has bid on some of my items and always paid
quickly. He seems to collect boards but does not buy entire systems.
Where can you find out what the gold/aluminum/steel value of a
computer at? The obvious solution is to know what a scrapper is
willing to pay, and add $10 to your bid. A scrapper will never
spend more to buy something than it is worth, a collector will.
Clint
I don't think any IBM 1130 is worth more than
a couple of hundred in scrap
by
the way. I suspect less than that.
Then I guess the scrappers will be outbidding you..... The larger 1960 mini
computers had a lot more gold in them than the '70s models as the gold was
plated thicker in the '60s. The 1130 (from what I can remember) has more
than $100US in aluminum in it (just cpu + printer). I don't know what the
gold content is.. (I'll find out.. I know a company that does).. BTW I just
lost an IBM 360 to a gold scrapper [bid more than me]. Some of the metal
scrappers I know never bothered to look at gold content.. what's scaring the
hell out of me are these guys that know to the penny what they can extract
out of it and generally bid a lot higher than most.
6 Dec
6 Dec
2:58 a.m.
New subject: Scrap value of machines (was Re: ebay feedback)
Where can you find out what the gold/aluminum/steel
value of a
computer at? The obvious solution is to know what a scrapper is
willing to pay, and add $10 to your bid. A scrapper will never
spend more to buy something than it is worth, a collector will.
Not a good assumption. A scrapper might be willing to spend whatever it
took to make you never get a winning bid and just go away.
9:43 a.m.
New subject: Scrap value of machines (was Re: ebay feedback)
On Mon, 06 Dec 1999, Mike Ford wrote:
I have run into this specific issue a couple of times. It does indeed happen.
-Dave McGuire
Where can you
find out what the gold/aluminum/steel value of a
computer at? The obvious solution is to know what a scrapper is
willing to pay, and add $10 to your bid. A scrapper will never
spend more to buy something than it is worth, a collector will.
Not a good assumption. A scrapper might be willing to spend whatever it
took to make you never get a winning bid and just go away.
9:59 a.m.
New subject: Scrap value of machines (was Re: ebay feedback)
Upon the date 12:58 AM 12/6/99 -0800, Mike Ford said something like:
Yes, an appropriate correlation is that if they can crush computers (before
shredding the carcass) then they can cru$h you.
Their profits drop corresponding with losses of bids so they're going to
spend extra in the short term to protect their profits in the long term.
Regards, Chris
-- --
Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian
Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net
Member of Antique Wireless Association
URL: http://www.antiquewireless.org/
Where can you
find out what the gold/aluminum/steel value of a
computer at? The obvious solution is to know what a scrapper is
willing to pay, and add $10 to your bid. A scrapper will never
spend more to buy something than it is worth, a collector will.
Not a good assumption. A scrapper might be willing to spend whatever it
took to make you never get a winning bid and just go away.
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