7 Feb
2001
7 Feb
'01
4:20 a.m.
Hey gang,
I recently changed companies and went from a NT environment to a UNIX shop.
While I have decent skills in UNIX, some additional experience certainly
wouldn't hurt.
So... In order to reinforce my professional standing by learning more UNIX,
and to entertain my collecting hobby by doing it on an older system, I drug
out one of my old HP 9000/832s and fired it up. The system is curently
running HPUX 8.0
Before I screw up anything (which is inevitable), I really need to make a
recovery tape. Question: How can I make a COMPLETE backup of the system?
Ideally, I'd like to make a bootable tape using my 9-track and then copy
EVERYTHING on to additional tapes. The system does have a built-in DAT drive
but the 9-track is soooo much more dependable.
I've got plenty of hardware so, another possibility would be to create a
second bootable disk(s) and copy the files from set of disks to the other.
Once again, I'm not entirely sure how to do that.
I do have the 10.20 distribution CDs so, even in the event of a serious
crash, I could install a new OS. However, I would loose all the other
applications that are currently installed.
Also... I'm having trouble creating a kernel with networking installed.
After being around for a few years, the config files are probably hosed and
I don't have enough C programming skills to fix them. So... Does anyone
have a copy of the original install media for HPUX 8.0 they'd be willing to
part with?
Thanks, Steve Robertson
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7 Feb
7 Feb
4:58 a.m.
I haven't run hpux 8 (my experience with hpux starts with 9.0). With
newer hpux systems, you can run s/w called ignite/ux which creates
bootable recovery tapes..I don't think this works for anything under hpux 10
though.
You can run fbackup (asuming it exists in hpux 8) to back everything up, but
it wont be bootable..you'd still need something to boot the o/s from.
There were some public-domain utilities that I've heard about, that were
suppossed to create bootable recovery tapes, in the pre-ignite time-frame.
Check one of the hpux s/w depots and see if there is anything still laying
around that might support hpux 8.
-Bob
(btw, I support several big hpux systems running 10.20 and 11).
Hey gang,
I recently changed companies and went from a NT environment to a
UNIX shop. While I have decent skills in UNIX, some additional
experience certainly wouldn't hurt.
So... In order to reinforce my professional standing by learning
more UNIX, and to entertain my collecting hobby by doing it on an
older system, I drug out one of my old HP 9000/832s and fired it up.
The system is curently running HPUX 8.0
Before I screw up anything (which is inevitable), I really need to
make a recovery tape. Question: How can I make a COMPLETE backup of
the system?
Ideally, I'd like to make a bootable tape using my 9-track and then
copy EVERYTHING on to additional tapes. The system does have a
built-in DAT drive but the 9-track is soooo much more dependable.
I've got plenty of hardware so, another possibility would be to
create a second bootable disk(s) and copy the files from set of
disks to the other. Once again, I'm not entirely sure how to do that.
I do have the 10.20 distribution CDs so, even in the event of a
serious crash, I could install a new OS. However, I would loose all
the other applications that are currently installed.
Also... I'm having trouble creating a kernel with networking
installed. After being around for a few years, the config files are
probably hosed and I don't have enough C programming skills to fix
them. So... Does anyone have a copy of the original install media
for HPUX 8.0 they'd be willing to part with?
Thanks, Steve Robertson
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Bob Brown
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6:27 a.m.
(btw, I support several big hpux systems running 10.20
and 11).
We "just" got a L-class 9000 in the server room running HP/UX 11. Nice box.
:-) There's also a K-class and I think an E? there also. HP-PA-RISC 2.0,
natch.
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5:31 a.m.
Before I screw up anything (which is inevitable), I
really need to make a
recovery tape. Question: How can I make a COMPLETE backup of the system?
In all seriousness, is tar supported on that system? On 10.20 and 11.0 I
think SAM will do the trick for you. I don't know if SAM is 8.0. Why not
# tar cd /
and dump it out to tape? Do note that the tape will *not* be bootable. It
will, however, probably send it to the built-in DAT. Find out where under
/dev the 9-track is and mess with tar's options (like, tar cdf /dev/rmt1 /).
But try SAM first.
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10:25 a.m.
In all seriousness, is tar supported on that system?
On 10.20 and 11.0 I
think SAM will do the trick for you. I don't know if SAM is 8.0. Why not
It's been years since I've touched a HP-UX 8 system (haven't really touched
HP-UX in years for that matter. I think that SAM is on 8.0 though it might
not have shown up till 9 (I know for a fact it's on 9).
For the original poster, if you're trying to improve your skills on HP-UX
you're best off running the same version you're running at work. HP seems
to like to make fairly major changes between versions.
Zane
11:07 a.m.
In all
seriousness, is tar supported on that system? On 10.20 and 11.0 I
think SAM will do the trick for you. I don't know if SAM is 8.0. Why not
It's been years since I've touched a HP-UX 8 system (haven't really touched
HP-UX in years for that matter. I think that SAM is on 8.0 though it might
not have shown up till 9 (I know for a fact it's on 9).
For the original poster, if you're trying to improve your skills on HP-UX
you're best off running the same version you're running at work. HP seems
to like to make fairly major changes between versions.
Zane 
8 Feb
8 Feb
12:30 p.m.
Bill Pechter wrote:
I know Sam was in HP-UX8... I think it may have even
been in 7.x.
SAM on 8 is evil! Every time I run it, and do anything relating to
filesystems, it locks the entire box. Run screaming!
--
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Network Engineer
harrison(a)timharrison.com
http://www.networklevel.com/
3:13 p.m.
New subject: Sam on HP-UX. Ugh
Bill Pechter wrote:
You ain't kidding... my wife did a sam delete user for about
a dozen users and it ran them in parallel till it locked the machine up
with too many find . -user xxx -print | xarg rm processes and blew out
the machine.
Bad software <thwack>. Bad. Very bad.
Bad programmer <thwack>. Bad. Very bad.
Boy was AIX's SMIT a ton better at the same time.
The running guy was a bit much, though.
--Bill
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I know Sam was in HP-UX8... I think it may have
even been in 7.x.
SAM on 8 is evil! Every time I run it, and do anything relating to
filesystems, it locks the entire box. Run screaming!
--
Tim Harrison
Network Engineer
harrison(a)timharrison.com
http://www.networklevel.com/
6:29 p.m.
New subject: Sam on HP-UX. Ugh
Boy was AIX's SMIT a ton better at the same time.
The running guy was a bit much, though.
That's why I use smitty. No stupid icon interface. :-)
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9 Feb
9 Feb
6:21 a.m.
New subject: Sam on HP-UX. Ugh
Bill Pechter wrote:
You ain't kidding... my wife did a sam delete user
for about
a dozen users and it ran them in parallel till it locked the machine up
with too many find . -user xxx -print | xarg rm processes and blew out
the machine.
I wish I'd even gotten that far. :)
Bad software <thwack>. Bad. Very bad.
Bad programmer <thwack>. Bad. Very bad.
You'd think they'd have testing things like that before releasing it. :/
Boy was AIX's SMIT a ton better at the same time.
The running guy was a bit much, though.
I always thought that was a hint. Run! Run far! :)
--
Tim Harrison
Network Engineer
harrison(a)timharrison.com
http://www.networklevel.com/
7 Feb
7 Feb
5:46 a.m.
There is a ODE (offline diagnostic env) program called COPYUTIL which will
create an image backup of a disk at a glacial pace. You need to run an
interactive IPL and do a LS at your ISL> prompt to see if you have it
installed. My experience with HPUX begins at 10.0 so I don't know if it
dates back to version 8. It might be on your 10.20 CD if you boot from
that you could probably still use it to copy your version 8 disk.
On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Steve Robertson wrote:
Hey gang,
I recently changed companies and went from a NT environment to a UNIX shop.
While I have decent skills in UNIX, some additional experience certainly
wouldn't hurt.
So... In order to reinforce my professional standing by learning more UNIX,
and to entertain my collecting hobby by doing it on an older system, I drug
out one of my old HP 9000/832s and fired it up. The system is curently
running HPUX 8.0
Before I screw up anything (which is inevitable), I really need to make a
recovery tape. Question: How can I make a COMPLETE backup of the system?
Ideally, I'd like to make a bootable tape using my 9-track and then copy
EVERYTHING on to additional tapes. The system does have a built-in DAT drive
but the 9-track is soooo much more dependable.
I've got plenty of hardware so, another possibility would be to create a
second bootable disk(s) and copy the files from set of disks to the other.
Once again, I'm not entirely sure how to do that.
I do have the 10.20 distribution CDs so, even in the event of a serious
crash, I could install a new OS. However, I would loose all the other
applications that are currently installed.
Also... I'm having trouble creating a kernel with networking installed.
After being around for a few years, the config files are probably hosed and
I don't have enough C programming skills to fix them. So... Does anyone
have a copy of the original install media for HPUX 8.0 they'd be willing to
part with?
Thanks, Steve Robertson
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8 Feb
8 Feb
10:32 a.m.
Re:
Before I screw up anything (which is inevitable), I
really need to make a
recovery tape. Question: How can I make a COMPLETE backup of the system?
Ah..if you wanted to do that, you'd have got an HP 3000 instead of an
HP 9000 :)
Seriously, the whole-disk-copy method is probably the best for an 8.x system.
Re: copyutil. I don't think ODE existed back in 8.0, so "ode copyutil"
probably
won't work.
My recommendations:
1) dd to a spare disk drive
2) dd to a DDS (aka "DAT") (so there are no reel changes to worry about)
3) dd (somehow) to 9-track tape ... worrying about reel changes.
The restoration from #1 is trivial...just boot from that drive.
For #2, you'd boot to the tape-based or CD-based HP-UX that you probably
have ("support" tape or "support" CD), and then run "dd" to
bring back the data.
All three would allow you to restore to the original drive *or* a larger drive
(if necessary).
Stan
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