2 Oct
2002
2 Oct
'02
11:09 a.m.
Just purchased a digital Prioris HX 5133DP server at a auction and it is
password protected. It powers up ok and then ask for the admin password.
Does anyone know a work around to get into this system? Can put a new
version of NT 4 on top of it? I do have a legal CD that I got last year that
could install on top if I will not lose the drivers that are already on the
machine. Thanks in advance for any help.
2 Oct
2 Oct
11:59 a.m.
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Keys wrote:
Just purchased a digital Prioris HX 5133DP server at a
auction and it is
password protected. It powers up ok and then ask for the admin password.
Does anyone know a work around to get into this system? Can put a new
version of NT 4 on top of it? I do have a legal CD that I got last year that
could install on top if I will not lose the drivers that are already on the
machine. Thanks in advance for any help.
I guess NT is just about 10 years old now, isn't it? Sick.
Anyway, one way is to install the drive in an NT server where you know
the admin password, and then access the "protected" drive from there.
Next, you should be able to find info on the web that tells you how to
crack NT passwords. You'll be able to get at the password file of the
"protected" drive and then find out the admin password.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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12:07 p.m.
On 10/02/02, Sellam Ismail scribbled:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Keys wrote:
I had the same problem, when I picked up a Dec Prioris HX 5100
MP/2. It had NT 3.51 on it. Here's a link I have...
http://www.nthelp.com/40/domain.htm
...I also found this one...
http://is-it-true,org/nt/atips/atips262.shtml
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Just purchased a digital Prioris HX 5133DP server
at a auction and it is
password protected. It powers up ok and then ask for the admin password.
Does anyone know a work around to get into this system? Can put a new
version of NT 4 on top of it? I do have a legal CD that I got last year that
could install on top if I will not lose the drivers that are already on the
machine. Thanks in advance for any help.
I guess NT is just about 10 years old now, isn't it? Sick.
Anyway, one way is to install the drive in an NT server where you know
the admin password, and then access the "protected" drive from there.
Next, you should be able to find info on the web that tells you how to
crack NT passwords. You'll be able to get at the password file of the
"protected" drive and then find out the admin password.
1:54 p.m.
New subject: 10 years
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote:
I guess NT is just about 10 years old now, isn't
it? Sick.
MICROS~1 was demo'ing NT in 1991, right before announcing Windoze 3.10.
The "dryrot logo" (which MICROS~1 calls the "flying windows logo" (in
spite of pieces falling off of the left side) was introduced at the
Microsoft Professional Developers Conference in August 1991 (along with
Windoze 3.10). MICROS~1 didn't care that NONE of the developers, from
whom they expected enthusiastic response, liked it.
Might I formally propose that when we get to 2005, we revise the charter
of this list to be 11 years?
and in 2006, 12 years
in 2007, 13 years . . .
acceptable age = current year - 1994
'cause when Windoze 95 becomes on topic, it just might not be fun anymore.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
2:26 p.m.
New subject: 10 years
Might I formally propose that when we get to 2005, we
revise the charter
of this list to be 11 years?
and in 2006, 12 years
in 2007, 13 years . . .
acceptable age = current year - 1994
'cause when Windoze 95 becomes on topic, it just might not be fun anymore.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
The only problem is then you block stuff that falls under the
non-Windows/"Really Cool Tech" catagories. I'd say retain the 10 year rule
and just state that an exception to that rule is that Microsoft OS's newer
than Windows 3.11 & x86 PC's with PCI slots are off-topic.
Zane
2:47 p.m.
New subject: 10 years
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Zane H. Healy wrote:
The only problem is then you block stuff that falls
under the
non-Windows/"Really Cool Tech" catagories. I'd say retain the 10 year
rule and just state that an exception to that rule is that Microsoft
OS's newer than Windows 3.11 & x86 PC's with PCI slots are off-topic.
Ah, but then you exclude all the weird x86 386/486 hybrid boards with PCI
busses ;)
-Toth
2:53 p.m.
New subject: 10 years
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Zane H. Healy wrote:
And that's a bad thing?
-Pat
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"This fucking university has shown time and time again that it is
completely fucking incompetent when it comes to employing technology"
-- Anonymous
http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2040637020924.gif
The only problem is then you block stuff that
falls under the
non-Windows/"Really Cool Tech" catagories. I'd say retain the 10 year
rule and just state that an exception to that rule is that Microsoft
OS's newer than Windows 3.11 & x86 PC's with PCI slots are off-topic.
Ah, but then you exclude all the weird x86 386/486 hybrid boards with PCI
busses ;)
4:54 p.m.
New subject: 10 years
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Patrick Finnegan wrote:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
Well, maybe for the folks who find it both fun and a challenge to make em
do stuff they were never designed to do...
-Toth
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Zane H. Healy wrote:
And that's a bad thing? The only problem is then you block stuff that
falls under the
non-Windows/"Really Cool Tech" catagories. I'd say retain the 10
year rule and just state that an exception to that rule is that
Microsoft OS's newer than Windows 3.11 & x86 PC's with PCI slots are
off-topic.
Ah, but then you exclude all the weird x86 386/486 hybrid boards with
PCI busses ;) 
2:55 p.m.
New subject: 10 years
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: 10 years
rule
> Might I formally propose that when we get to
2005, we revise the charter
> of this list to be 11 years?
> and in 2006, 12 years
> in 2007, 13 years . . .
>
> acceptable age = current year - 1994
>
>
> 'cause when Windoze 95 becomes on topic, it just might not be fun
anymore.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
The only problem is then you block stuff that falls under the
non-Windows/"Really Cool Tech" catagories. I'd say retain the 10 year
and just state that an exception to that rule is that
Microsoft OS's newer
than Windows 3.11 & x86 PC's with PCI slots are off-topic.
I feel I must make a case that a 'classic' Win95 system should be on topic
at the 10 year point.
I still give my kids 486Dx's with VESA video and 95 to play games on and
even do a bit of net surfing,
play music cd's etc on stuff that most people consider beyond obsolete.
It's worth noting that some classic games will run in a dos box on win95 and
not on Win XP or ME.
Some of the purists might consider ANYTHING MS offtopic under the same
criteria, ie it was made by
the Gates of Hell. Whilst I sympathise with the sentiments about Billie
boy's software, I suppose we must
maintain a timeline of systems and software, including, at the appropriate
times, Win9x, NT and whatever comes
after it. Remember that 30 years from now, when we have our 20Ghz pc's
embedded in our forebrains and live video feeds to our optic nerves with
100mbps wireless connections to the internet, that a quaint P4-2Ghz with XP
Pro and a 17" tube monitor might be a unique antique system.."You mean you
had to TYPE stuff? And READ the results on a SCREEN? and you needed CABLES?
WTH is a MODEM? Wow talk about primitive.... Uh, what's a picture tube?
Uh, what's a Blue Screen of Death? Bill who?"
Food for thought?
cheers
Geoff in Oz
Zane
3:43 p.m.
New subject: 10 years
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Geoff Roberts wrote:
maintain a timeline of systems and software,
including, at the appropriate
times, Win9x, NT and whatever comes
after it. Remember that 30 years from now, when we have our 20Ghz pc's
I can accept that viewpoint, except, ...
it scares me to think that someday we might consider THESE to be the
"good old days"!
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
3:49 p.m.
New subject: 10 years
On Wednesday, October 2, 2002, Geoff Roberts wrote:
From: "Zane H. Healy"
<healyzh(a)aracnet.com>
I suppose we must maintain a timeline of systems and software, including,
at the appropriate times, Win9x, NT and whatever comes after it. Remember
that 30 years from now ... a quaint P4-2Ghz with XP Pro and a 17" tube
monitor might be a unique antique system.
Would anyone object to adding an official 'cool factor clause' to the
10-year rule? We already sorta have that now, where a newer computer (e.g.
mid-90s SGI MIPS) has sufficient cool factor that we're ok with it. All we
need is a concept of negative cool factor, so that some computers (e.g.
Packard Bell PC) might never be on-topic.
In reality, this isn't any more ambiguous than what we already have. The
other option would be to develop some sort of unit for classicity and set a
threshold above which a machine is on-topic.
--
Jeffrey Sharp
'cause when Windoze 95 becomes on topic, it just might not be fun
anymore.
The only problem is then you block stuff that falls under the
non-Windows/"Really Cool Tech" catagories. I'd say retain the 10 year
rule and just state that an exception to that rule is that Microsoft
OS's newer than Windows 3.11 & x86 PC's with PCI slots are off-topic. 
6 Oct
6 Oct
6:40 a.m.
New subject: 10 years
On Wednesday 02 October 2002 20:47, Jeffrey Sharp wrote:
On Wednesday, October 2, 2002, Geoff Roberts wrote:
> From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com>
>
> > > 'cause when Windoze 95 becomes on topic, it just might not be fun
> > > anymore.
Would anyone object to adding an official 'cool
factor clause' to the
10-year rule? We already sorta have that now, where a newer computer
(e.g. mid-90s SGI MIPS) has sufficient cool factor that we're ok with
it. All we need is a concept of negative cool factor, so that some
computers (e.g. Packard Bell PC) might never be on-topic.
I have a PB that I keep as a sample of bad design, along with the IBM
Aptiva, and AST Bravo.
10:54 a.m.
New subject: 10 years
On Sunday 06 October 2002 13:01, John Allain wrote:
One of the first machines I had to work on was a PB. They had shipped it
without connecting the serial ports to the back of the case. Most of
that shipment was returned with in a week.
My complaints with it are the daughter board and the layout of the
insides, it's very difficult to add an drive to the machine, or change
the one in it. The aptiva has similar problems along with the Mwave
modem/sound-card combo. The Bravo used daughter boards for the soldered
on CPU, and a few of the other add-ons as well as a none standard
motherboard. I view these machines as single use disposable machines.
I have a PB
that I keep as a sample of bad design,
along with the IBM Aptiva, and AST Bravo.
Could you expound a bit on its pitfalls?
I picked up a otherwise nice looking PB P75 this
weekend for free. 
3 Oct
3 Oct
7:30 a.m.
New subject: 10 years
Geoff Roberts wrote:
I still give my kids 486Dx's with VESA video and
95 to play games on
and even do a bit of net surfing,
play music cd's etc on stuff that most people consider beyond
obsolete.
Real Men (tm) use Linux :-)
Although I have to admit, I do keep Win98 around for one simple reason.
Starcraft.
with 100mbps wireless connections to the internet
*drool*
We'll need more IP addresses first.
Uh, what's a
Blue Screen of Death? Bill who?"
I ask myself the same questions when I use
Linux :-)
Later.
--
Phil.
philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com
http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/
8:49 a.m.
New subject: 10 years
Real Men (tm) use Linux :-)
No, real men use whichever OS is best suited to what they are trying to do.
For me, at work, that means Linux, Solaris, and AIX. At home, it typically
means Mac OS 9.1 or OpenVMS, but can also mean OpenBSD, WinXP, Linux, or
others depending on what I'm trying to do.
Although I have to admit, I do keep Win98 around for
one simple reason.
Starcraft.
Uh, doesn't Starcraft run on Linux under Wine?
Zane
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11:02 a.m.
New subject: 10 years
Zane H. Healy wrote:
Yes, but it runs too slowly
under WINE to be playable. Under 98 it runs
fine.
Later.
--
Phil.
philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com
http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/
Although I
have to admit, I do keep Win98 around for one simple
reason. Starcraft.
Uh, doesn't Starcraft run on Linux under Wine? 
2 Oct
2 Oct
4:52 p.m.
New subject: 10 years
"Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" wrote:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote:
To be honest, I don't think such a measure
is necessary. Among geeks, MickySoft OS'es
are decidedly un-sexy, and commodity PCs are
(except for the truly oddball ones) boring to
a life-threatening degree. :)
A thread about THE generic OS on THE generic
platform would probably be good for two or three
responses, and then would die the ignominious death
that it so deserved. :)
"The economy isn't at 'The Grapes of Wrath' stage
yet. It's only up to 'The Raisins of Regret", or
perhaps the "Prunes of Peevishness". :)
-- Ross
I guess NT is just about 10 years old now,
isn't it? Sick.
MICROS~1 was demo'ing NT in 1991, right before announcing Windoze 3.10.
The "dryrot logo" (which MICROS~1 calls the "flying windows logo"
(in
spite of pieces falling off of the left side) was introduced at the
Microsoft Professional Developers Conference in August 1991 (along with
Windoze 3.10). MICROS~1 didn't care that NONE of the developers, from
whom they expected enthusiastic response, liked it.
Might I formally propose that when we get to 2005, we revise the charter
of this list to be 11 years?
and in 2006, 12 years
in 2007, 13 years . . .
acceptable age = current year - 1994
'cause when Windoze 95 becomes on topic, it just might not be fun anymore.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com 
6 p.m.
New subject: 10 years
Among geeks, MickySoft OS'es
are decidedly un-sexy, and commodity PCs are
(except for the truly oddball ones) boring to
a life-threatening degree. :)
I dunno. I just booted up my 64K IBM PC with DOS 1.0 and I thought it
was pretty cool.
Erik S. Klein
www.vintage-computer.com
6:20 p.m.
New subject: 10 years
"Erik S. Klein" wrote:
Yeah, but DOS doesn't crash! :)
-- Ross
Among geeks, MickySoft OS'es
are decidedly un-sexy, and commodity PCs are
(except for the truly oddball ones) boring to
a life-threatening degree. :)
I dunno. I just booted up my 64K IBM PC with DOS 1.0 and I thought it
was pretty cool.
Erik S. Klein
www.vintage-computer.com
6:31 p.m.
New subject: 10 years
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
Might I formally propose that when we get to 2005, we
revise the charter
of this list to be 11 years?
and in 2006, 12 years
in 2007, 13 years . . .
acceptable age = current year - 1994
'cause when Windoze 95 becomes on topic, it just might not be fun anymore.
Fred's got a good point.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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12:43 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keys" <jrkeys(a)concentric.net>
To: "cctalk@classiccmp" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:09 PM
Subject: Help Needed with NT 4 Password
Just purchased a digital Prioris HX 5133DP server at a
auction and it is
password protected. It powers up ok and then ask for the admin password.
Does anyone know a work around to get into this system? Can put a new
version of NT 4 on top of it? I do have a legal CD that I got last year
that
could install on top if I will not lose the drivers
that are already on
the
machine. Thanks in advance for any help.
I used this:
http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/bootdisk.html
a while back to change an administrator's password - worked well. Boot from
the floppy and and change the password.
Martin
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