6 Oct
2003
6 Oct
'03
1:08 p.m.
Try Bulb Direct at www.bulbdirect.com. I didn't see anything on the
company's Web pages about a minimum order. Search for "73."
You can view an outline of the bulb. I'm not sure the two "73" bulbs they
offer fill the bill, but you can check it out.
Jon
Jon Titus
36 Sunset Drive
Milford, MA 01757-1362 USA
Phone: +1-508-478-8040
E-mail: jontitus(a)comcast.net
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Garage sale, DEC 3000/500 $50, HSZ40 $25, ...
(Shannon Hoskins)
2. Re: Used Atari 2600 Game Cartridge goes for over $70
(David Holland)
3. Re: memory refresher on PUTR (W.B.(Wim) Hofman)
4. Re: black paper tape = mylar? (Eric Smith)
5. Re: memory refresher on PUTR (Eric Smith)
6. Re: memory refresher on PUTR (Fred N. van Kempen)
7. Re: 27SF512-70 (Joe)
8. Re: black paper tape = mylar? (Joe)
9. DEC cards available (John Rollins)
10. RE: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! (John Rollins)
11. Re: Am I seeing things? (Zane H. Healy)
12. Re: Am I seeing things? (Ed Sharpe)
13. Re: Am I seeing things? (Jay West)
14. Re: 27SF512-70 (John Lawson)
15. FA: HP 3000 cards and Omnibook Docking Station (Joe)
16. Re: Am I seeing things? (Vintage Computer Festival)
17. Re: Am I seeing things? (Fred N. van Kempen)
18. Re: Am I seeing things? (Joe)
19. Re: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! (TeoZ)
20. Re: Am I seeing things? (Joe)
21. RCS/RI Still In Existence? (O. Sharp)
22. VCF - Stuff for Sale (Marvin Johnston)
23. Re: Am I seeing things? (Ed Sharpe)
24. Re: Intel Programmer IPPS format (Robert Maxwell)
25. Re: Am I seeing things? (Fred N. van Kempen)
26. Re: DEC cards available Update (John Rollins Jr)
27. Re: Am I seeing things? (Chad Fernandez)
28. Re: Am I seeing things? (chris)
29. RE: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! (chris)
30. Re: Am I seeing things? (John Lawson)
31. Re: Need IIci cache cards (Geoff Reed)
32. Posting times (Marvin Johnston)
33. Re: Betr.: Acorn Econet (Tony Duell)
34. GE 73 bulbs for RL02 (John A. Dundas III)
35. VCF Want: Pertec formatters for Kennedy 9100 (John Lawson)
36. Re: VCF Want: Pertec formatters for Kennedy 9100 (Al Kossow)
37. SemiDisk Solid State Disk Emulator (Patrick Rigney)
38. Re: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! (Ian Primus)
39. Re: Posting times (Al Kossow)
40. Re: black paper tape = mylar? (Bob Shannon)
41. Re: Fat (512K) Mac Revival? (Andrew Strouse)
42. Re: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! (chris)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:39:13 -0700
From: "Shannon Hoskins" <pds3(a)ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Garage sale, DEC 3000/500 $50, HSZ40 $25, ...
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <000c01c38c1f$ff2b2bc0$7f3ba5d1@shannon>
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Hello Zane,
Where are you located?
Sincerely,
Shannon Hoskins
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Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Garage sale, DEC 3000/500 $50, HSZ40 $25, ...
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:14:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Holland <dholland(a)woh.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Used Atari 2600 Game Cartridge goes for over $70
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
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On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, TeoZ wrote:
Hmm.. Jay: I stand corrected. Indeed, they're 80tr, not
40tr...
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:33:27 -0400
From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: 27SF512-70
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
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Somebody needs to tell this clown that this isn't his private procurement
list!
Joe
At 05:09 PM 10/3/03 -0500, you wrote:
Well, yes, I didn't mean to imply that it was a drive limit. Just that
Apple stopped letting a user read and write 400 and 800 K disks a while
ago (I believe you are right and it was OS 8, but I'm not postive).
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
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Message: 30
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:44:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com>
Subject: Re: Am I seeing things?
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
Well, yes, I didn't mean to imply that it was a drive limit. Just that
Apple stopped letting a user read and write 400 and 800 K disks a while
ago (I believe you are right and it was OS 8, but I'm not postive).
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
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Message: 39
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:56:36 -0700
From: Al Kossow <aek(a)spies.com>
Subject: Re: Posting times
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Message-ID: <200310062256.h96Mua2p019520(a)spies.com>
Anyone else seeing extended times (< 15 minutes or so) before their
posts get to the list?
--
I'm more concerned that the archive sort by date isn't corrected
for local time zone.
Since the sort by thread doesn't always work right, I just watch
the list from the archive, but now the replies can show up in the
list before the original question, depending on when the original
message was posted.
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Message: 40
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:05:02 -0400
From: Bob Shannon <bshannon(a)tiac.net>
Subject: Re: black paper tape = mylar?
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
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Mylar paper tape has never come in black, as far as I know.
Black paper tape was sold for use with photoelectric paper tape readers
like HP's, which work, sometimes
with yellow paper (until any oil get on the tape anyway). But the black
stuff makes even a sloppy optical
reader work great, and it does not kill the edges on your punch like
Mylar will do.
Jay West wrote:
Am I crazy to
sell a DEC 3000/500 server (desk side) for $50? I
believe it's got all the RAM it can fit and disk in and lots SCSI
plugs out. My HSZ40s go for $25 a piece. My HP9000K400 with 2xDDS2
drives and 30 GB (?) RAID array and HP Terminal all in one rack go
for $100.
Am I crazy or just fed up about stuff taking space in my garage?
I can't really comment on the HP (though it might be a little low). The
DEC3000/500 sounds about right. The HSZ40's are old enough to probably be
reasonable.
Zane easily, just be carefull. Then again the stuff I look
for isnt that
expensive, I dont think I spent more then $150 on any 1 item on ebay and
that was when I started 3 years ago.
Eh, I have.
SGI Octane, MXI graphics, 195Mhz R10K, 256Mb mem, No Disk
400$.
A year later, I still consider 400$ a pretty reasonable deal.
The only reason I considered it was the seller was local.... I picked it up
in person.
Obligatory ontopic piece: I've a SGI Crimson w VGXT too, Anyone got a
sled or and/or skins they want to get rid of cheap.. :-)
David
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:46:43 +0200
From: "W.B.(Wim) Hofman" <hofmanwb(a)worldonline.nl>
Subject: Re: memory refresher on PUTR
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <001501c38c32$071e8540$8594f0c3@computer4>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
360
Wim
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Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:21 PM
Subject: memory refresher on PUTR
I used to know this, but have forgotten, and now
I'm getting ready to dig
the software back out...
I believe it was a program called PUTR that I used on a PC to read/write
5.25 floppy disks to exchange data with my PDP-11/23 that had an RX50
drive
in it. Should the PC drive be a 360k floppy or a 1.2m
floppy?
Wonder if there is some story as to the history of "disc" vs. "disk"
:) HP
always used "disc".
Jay West
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:00:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Eric Smith" <eric(a)brouhaha.com>
Subject: Re: black paper tape = mylar?
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
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I was wanting to get some mylar paper tape. There is
an auction on Ebay
for
6 rolls of "black paper tape"... can one generally assume that black paper
tape is mylar and not just paper?
No. All the black "paper tape" I've ever used was in fact paper.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:02:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Eric Smith" <eric(a)brouhaha.com>
Subject: Re: memory refresher on PUTR
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
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I believe it was a program called PUTR that I used on
a PC to read/write
5.25 floppy disks to exchange data with my PDP-11/23 that had an RX50
drive
in it. Should the PC drive be a 360k floppy or a 1.2m floppy?
1.2M. The RX50 is an 80-track single sided drive, so their is no way
to read or write the discs in a 40-track 360k drive. But a 1.2M drive
will work fine.
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:30:57 +0200 (CEST)
From: "Fred N. van Kempen" <waltje(a)pdp11.nl>
Subject: Re: memory refresher on PUTR
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
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Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Eric Smith wrote:
I believe it
was a program called PUTR that I used on a PC to read/write
5.25 floppy disks to exchange data with my PDP-11/23 that had an RX50
drive
in it. Should the PC drive be a 360k floppy or a 1.2m floppy?
1.2M. The RX50 is an 80-track single sided drive, so their is no way
to read or write the discs in a 40-track 360k drive. But a 1.2M drive
will work fine. I would like to know if you have any of these chips
available. They are
the direct flash replacement for the 27C512 that I'm looking for.
Thanks
Mehdi Mir
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:35:36 -0400
From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: black paper tape = mylar?
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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At 07:48 AM 10/6/03 -0500, you wrote:
I was wanting to get some mylar paper tape. There is an
auction on Ebay for
6 rolls of "black paper tape"... can one generally assume that black paper
tape is mylar and not just paper?
NO! I have several boxs of black PAPER tape so they do (did!) make the
stuff.
Joe
The URL is http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2562042672
Can anyone advise if this is likely to be mylar or not?
Regards,
Jay West
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:34:42 -0700
From: John Rollins <kd7bcy(a)teleport.com>
Subject: DEC cards available
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
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I got these cards a while back(I think I asked what they were here on
the list back in 2001), mostly MicroVAX II cards I think, all Q-bus.
I'm mostly interested in getting these out of the way... I have no
plans for building or keeping spares for a MicroVAX or anything
beside my 11/84. Not sure what they're worth, and keep in mind they
are untested. Make an offer plus actual shipping - I'll also consider
trades for Unibus cards for my 11/84. Whatever the list doesn't want
I'll probably put on eBay(I'll give you guys a week or two for those
that don't keep up with their email very well).
National Semiconductor NS638 - memory card with a 50-pin connector on the
front
Sigma Information Systems DZV11 clone
unknown Emulex - marked TU0210401
M7551-CA MSV11-QC Q 4-Mbyte 22-bit parity/CSR MOS RAM
M7164 KDA50-Q Q-bus SDI adapter 1 of 2
M7606-AF MicroVAX II CPU
M7608-BC not in guide? MicroVAX II RAM
M7608-BF
M7516-YM DELQA-M Q Qbus to Ethernet Turbo Module, Q22
M8053-MA DMV11 Microprogrammed controller (needs one of
M5930-M5931) with DDCMP control ROM (point-to-point or multidrop)
I have three of these: M3104 DHV11-A Q 8-line Asynchronous
Multiplexor, with DMA
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Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to the list
responding to things that are non existent or ancient from an archive
or something? Especially these people mentioning a web site and
asking to buy something. Seems that there has been a lot of that
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:10:09 -0700
From: John Rollins <kd7bcy(a)teleport.com>
Subject: RE: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes!
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Apple stopped having the drives read and write 400 and
800 k disks a
while ago.
Actually the System does that... I don't remember when though. I
think it might have been System 8 that stopped reading 400k, I
remember because I was real mad about not being able to use my PM6500
to do disks for my 128k, and then I ended up with an iMac and the
iDock doesn't work under X(until you pull the cable going to the ADB
and serial that is) but the USB floppy only handles 1.4MB anyway! So
now it's time to get the LC up and running again I guess. But if you
have Mac with the SuperDrive(floppy, not DVD-R!) in it, and you have
something prior to System 8/9, you can do 400k disks all day long.
Just keep a System 7 boot disk around! That oughta work with anything
prior to a G3.
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:12:48 -0700
From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com>
Subject: Re: Am I seeing things?
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to
the list responding
to things that are non existent or ancient from an archive or
something?
Especially these people mentioning a web site and asking to buy something.
Seems that there has been a lot of that lately.
I must confess, I was wondering about the "Re: VAXen available" message...
It made now sense to me.
Zane
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:18:06 -0700
From: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Am I seeing things?
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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and I thought I was the one imagining it!
ed!
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Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 11:07 AM
Subject: Am I seeing things?
Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to
the list
responding to things that are non existent or ancient from an archive
or something? Especially these people mentioning a web site and
asking to buy something. Seems that there has been a lot of that
lately.
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:12:48 -0500
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Am I seeing things?
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
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Yes, there is a public archive of the list postings. I kinda thought that's
what the public archives were FOR? I especially like it when they talk
about ancient things *S*
I filter a lot of these so they never hit the list. But often I let them
through because I feel that is what we are here for.. to be a resource.
Maybe I'm being too lenient?
J
Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to
the list
responding to things that are non existent or ancient from an archive
or something? Especially these people mentioning a web site and
asking to buy something. Seems that there has been a lot of that
lately.
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:30:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com>
Subject: Re: 27SF512-70
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
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On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Joe wrote:
Somebody needs to tell this clown that this isn't
his private procurement
list!
Joe
Hey Joe... decaf, man - remember: Decaf!! ;}
Anyway - do recall that whenever someone Googles for a specific part, it
is possible that they get pointed to an old message from Classiccmp in an
archive - and so they don't really have any way of knowing that they are
adressing a list of amateur collectors - so ya cut 'em some slack a bit..
And just think - what if it was *you* that just happened to have a nice
stash of them chips the poor guy is desperate for...
woo hoo!!
Cheers
John
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:34:46 -0400
From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: FA: HP 3000 cards and Omnibook Docking Station
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
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Joe
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:40:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com>
Subject: Re: Am I seeing things?
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
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On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, John Rollins wrote:
Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to
the list
responding to things that are non existent or ancient from an archive
or something? Especially these people mentioning a web site and
asking to buy something. Seems that there has been a lot of that
lately.
It comes in spurts. I think Jay is still (hopefully) working on a
solution ;)
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:41:37 +0200 (CEST)
From: "Fred N. van Kempen" <waltje(a)pdp11.nl>
Subject: Re: Am I seeing things?
To: Ed Sharpe <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>, "General Discussion: On-Topic and
Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.44.0310062141210.6561-100000(a)vaxlab.pdp11.nl>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
This seems to be coming our way in waves.... ahwell.
--f
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:42:39 -0400
From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Am I seeing things?
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031006154239.007b9b70(a)pop-server.cfl.rr.com>
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At 11:07 AM 10/6/03 -0700, you wrote:
Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to
the list
responding to things that are non existent or ancient from an archive
or something?
They seem to be responding to things out of the archive. Most of them are
OLD and a couple of them are really OT. Personally I'd like to filter out
any messages from non-members, or at least have them pre-viewed and
approved by someone.
My $.02 worth,
Joe
Especially these people mentioning a web site and
asking to buy something. Seems that there has been a
lot of that
lately.
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:45:30 -0400
From: "TeoZ" <teoz(a)neo.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes!
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <010b01c38c42$66277d20$3d7ca418(a)neo.rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I have use my "newer" macs 8500/7500/840av/950/IIfx to make 800k disks for
my IIgs and have noticed that the auto inject 1.44 drives use on the older
systems (IIfx, 840av, 950) have no problems making disks that are readable
on the IIgs while the 8500/7500 non inject floppies cant do it reliably.
So your better off using an old quadra to make 800k disks for older
machines. I have no idea about writing 400k disks because I dont have any
machines that use them.
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:47:09 -0400
From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Am I seeing things?
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031006154709.007ba540(a)pop-server.cfl.rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 02:12 PM 10/6/03 -0500, you wrote:
Yes, there is a public archive of the list postings. I
kinda thought that's
what the public archives were FOR? I especially like it when they talk
about ancient things *S*
I filter a lot of these so they never hit the list. But often I let them
through because I feel that is what we are here for.. to be a resource.
Maybe I'm being too lenient?
Probably.
I've replied to a couple of people looking for things and NONE of them
has ever responded so I seldom bother any more.
Joe
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:47:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: "O. Sharp" <ohh(a)drizzle.com>
Subject: RCS/RI Still In Existence?
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310061240280.19026-100000(a)drizzle.com>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Does anybody know if the Retrocomputing Society of Rhode Island
(http://osfn.org/rcs/) is still around? I've sent a couple of e-mails
their way, and tried their phone number, but not with any luck.
I saw one of the things on their online "wish-list" up for auction on
eBay, and thought about having a go at getting it for them, but it'd be
nice to know if they still needed it first. (Not to mention making sure I
wasn't bidding _against_ them. <g>)
-O.-
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:58:17 -0700
From: Marvin Johnston <marvin(a)rain.org>
Subject: VCF - Stuff for Sale
To: ClassicCmp <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <3F81C959.8B4B6FAA(a)rain.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Rather than post the stuff here, a link to the things I'll be selling at
VCF is at:
http://www.rain.org/~marvin/vcf.txt
As the week goes by, I'll be adding to the list and updating it as
necessary.
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:12:13 -0700
From: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Am I seeing things?
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <004b01c38c4e$83718ae0$262e98ac(a)aoldsl.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
no we just got confused as we all belong to both lists.... but it was
freaky when it would appear as a group on the other list.... sometimes we
forget there are two lists...
no problem just tempory confusion all is well!
ed!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: Am I seeing things?
Yes, there is a public archive of the list postings. I
kinda thought
that's
what the public archives were FOR? I especially like
it when they talk
about ancient things *S*
I filter a lot of these so they never hit the list. But often I let them
through because I feel that is what we are here for.. to be a resource.
Maybe I'm being too lenient?
J
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:24:35 -0400
From: Robert Maxwell <RMaxwell(a)atlantissi.com>
Subject: Re: Intel Programmer IPPS format
To: "'cctech(a)classiccmp.org'" <cctech(a)classiccmp.org>rg>,
"'dmabry(a)mich.com'" <dmabry(a)mich.com>
Message-ID: <9726BA9DE867D51183B900B0D0AB85F8013E4873@INETMAIL>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Dave,
your hazy memory is great. You just filled in a critical blank
that has made a world of difference. Searching the planet for
references to "IPPS" turned up nothing, but "OMF" is still quite
nicely documented on the Web. My favorite file-format reference,
www.wotsit.org, has a document for OMF, as do some other sites.
Armed with this knowledge, I can now look at modifying an old
Motorola S-record to Intel Hex converter with a new front end to
suck up the OMF records and spit them out in Hex.
All the best,
Bob Maxwell
rmaxwell(a)atlantissi.com
Dave Mabry wrote:
Is it just me or are there a lot of people
posting to the list
responding to things that are non existent or ancient from an archive
or something? Especially these people mentioning a web site and
asking to buy something. Seems that there has been a lot of that
lately.
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[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
Now, as is normal for me, this is hazy, but I think I
remember what you
are talking about.
Intel used a format they called "object module format" that
had header
information on each block, and several possible blocks. As I recall,
the MCS48 family, due to its limited memory addressibility, used the
same OMF (object module format) as the 8080.
Naturally, since Intel defined it, all their tools could read
and write
it. IPPS was the name of the software used to read and write EPROMS,
etc, using Intel's iUP-201 programmer.
All that being said, I think I can help you. If you don't
have anything
that can read and understand Intel's OMF, I do. I have a
working system
that can execute IPPS. There are other utilities in the
Intel operating
system, ISIS-II, that can also do this. I should be able to convert
your OMF file to an Intel HEX format file. Intel HEX is very
common and
most programmers can understand it. It is also block oriented, but
ascii characters rather than pure binary.
Sorry to be so wordy, but bottom line is this. (into
Technicolor dream
mode) If you send me your OMF file I can convert it to HEX
and send it
back to you. Hope that will help.
Dave
Robert Maxwell wrote:
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:27:55 +0200 (CEST)
From: "Fred N. van Kempen" <waltje(a)pdp11.nl>
Subject: Re: Am I seeing things?
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.44.0310062227330.31211-100000(a)vaxlab.pdp11.nl>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
This will meet the on-topic age requirement, at
least...
For programming devices like processors and EPROMS with
an Intel Universal
Programmer,
a file format was used, called "IPPS." I need to program
8749
processors
from files
in IPPS format, and have no working Universal Programmer.
The format appears to be a block-oriented binary, with a
file header
identifying the
target device, and headers of indeterminate size preceding
sections of
binary code.
Nobody I spoke to at Intel recognizes it.
Does anybody remember, or have access to,
documentation/data or (dreaming
in Technicolor(R))
a utility to convert IPPS files into a less-unique format,
say binary or
Intel Hex? This
would save me from having to type in hex values from an old
listing to
> regenerate the code. It comes in spurts. I think Jay is still (hopefully)
working on a
solution ;)
Yeah, lets hope Jay's working on his spurts.
--f
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Message: 26
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:33:49 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: John Rollins Jr <kd7bcy(a)teleport.com>
Subject: Re: DEC cards available Update
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID:
<11306683.1065472434057.JavaMail.root(a)waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Started to go fast!
These are still available:
National Semiconductor NS638 - memory card with a 50-pin connector on the
front
Sigma Information Systems DZV11 clone
unknown Emulex - marked TU0210401
M7164 KDA50-Q Q-bus SDI adapter 1 of 2
M7606-AF MicroVAX II CPU
M7608-BC not in guide? MicroVAX II RAM
M7608-BF
I have three of these: M3104 DHV11-A Q 8-line Asynchronous
Multiplexor, with DMA
These have been spoken for:
M7551-CA MSV11-QC Q 4-Mbyte 22-bit parity/CSR MOS RAM
M7516-YM DELQA-M Q Qbus to Ethernet Turbo Module, Q22
M8053-MA DMV11 Microprogrammed controller (needs one of
M5930-M5931) with DDCMP control ROM (point-to-point or multidrop)
Thanks!
-JR
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Message: 27
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:30:40 -0400
From: Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net>
Subject: Re: Am I seeing things?
To: General(a)internet1.net, "Discussion@internet1.net":On-Topic and
Off-Topic Posts <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <3F81D0F0.9090108(a)internet1.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
That was a reply to a message that Chuck McMannis posted.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
Zane H. Healy wrote:
> Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to
the list responding
to things that are non existent or ancient from an archive or
something?
Especially these people mentioning a web site and asking to buy something.
Seems that there has been a lot of that lately.
I must confess, I was wondering about the "Re: VAXen available" message...
It made now sense to me.
Zane
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Message: 28
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:37:07 -0400
From: chris <cb(a)mythtech.net>
Subject: Re: Am I seeing things?
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts "
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <S.0000273761(a)mythtech.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
I filter a lot of these so they never hit the list. But
often I let them
through because I feel that is what we are here for.. to be a resource.
Maybe I'm being too lenient?
I'm wondering if you can somehow mark the message as one that came from
someone off list.
I bring this up, because I've been confused by some and wondering if
responses should go onlist or off list. If the poster is off list, then
responses should go directly to them, or they won't get their response
for a few months until the archives have circulated thru google and the
likes.
just my thoughts, I'm not trying to imply it needs to be followed. Nor
trying to start a discussion on the topic.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
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Message: 29
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:39:32 -0400
From: chris <cb(a)mythtech.net>
Subject: RE: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes!
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts "
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <S.0000273765(a)mythtech.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Apple stopped
having the drives read and write 400 and 800 k disks a
while ago.
Actually the System does that... I don't remember when though. On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, John Rollins wrote:
> Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to the list
[snippage]
>
It comes in spurts. I think Jay is still (hopefully)
working on a
solution ;)
>
As Jay mentioned - I'm not altogether sure that these messages from folks
are a Bad Thing - it never hurts to have 'fresh' sources for collection
related possiblilties.
Recall that the PDP 11/44 system I own was rescued from a Big
Corporation (and certain death) due to the ex-sysop finding classiccmp
quite by accident.
Now, in the case of blatant commercial exploitative type ads, or spam,
then of course it should hopefully be diverted to /dev/nul. But I think a
little tolerance shoyuld be shown for folks who are just researching parts
and systems - at least we can be polite in our explanations.
And yes, these type of "I was searching for X and found your site.."
messages *do* seem to come in waves... I dunno...
Cheers
John
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Message: 31
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 13:57:51 -0700
From: Geoff Reed <geoffr(a)zipcon.net>
Subject: Re: Need IIci cache cards
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031006135647.04a4b0f0(a)mail.zipcon.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
At 07:47 AM 10/6/03, you wrote:
If I remember the benchmark results correctly, the
extra 32k speeds up
video
by a few percent, and "Scientific" operations
(IE floating point math) by a
few tens of percentage points.
I've got a 128k cache card and it speeds up everything by quite a bit.
Probably has something to do with the built-in video getting sped up.
I have a cache card in my IICX :) ok, so it's an Diimo accellerator with
cache on it on an adaptor :) but it speeds everything WAY up... 50 Mhz 030
:)
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Message: 32
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 14:07:33 -0700
From: Marvin Johnston <marvin(a)rain.org>
Subject: Posting times
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <3F81D995.9FB4C6DF(a)rain.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Anyone else seeing extended times (< 15 minutes or so) before their
posts get to the list? Kind of annoying to post something and not see it
pop up on the list within a relatively short time!!!
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Message: 33
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:31:41 +0100 (BST)
From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell)
Subject: Re: Betr.: Acorn Econet
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
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Message: 34
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:08:18 -0700
From: "John A. Dundas III" <dundas(a)caltech.edu>
Subject: GE 73 bulbs for RL02
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <v03130306bba79781591d(a)[131.215.48.178]>
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Can anyone recommend a good source for the GE 73 bulbs used in the front
panel switches of the RL02?
A web search turned up Atlanta Light Bulbs. They claim to have them for
$0.99/ea, minimum quantity 10. However when you try to check out, the
minimum $ order is ~$30.
I don't mind buying 10, but 30 is too many and I'm not really short on
other bulbs at this time. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
John
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Message: 35
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:10:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com>
Subject: VCF Want: Pertec formatters for Kennedy 9100
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0310061807120.28216(a)panix1.panix.com>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
As message header states: I'm looking for one or two Pertec formatter
cards for Kennedy 91xx series tape drives - with cables, if possible.
Have $$$ for same - will be at VCF looking to trade $ for Stuff.
Also, I'm looking for 2 or 3 DEC RL02 drives, one at least in good
working shape - with an interconnect cable and terminator. Can pick up in
Bay Area....
Cheerz
John
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Message: 36
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:21:49 -0700
From: Al Kossow <aek(a)spies.com>
Subject: Re: VCF Want: Pertec formatters for Kennedy 9100
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Message-ID: <200310062221.h96MLnbh015108(a)spies.com>
I'm looking for one or two Pertec formatter
cards for Kennedy 91xx series tape drives - with cables, if possible.
91xx formatters are separate rack mounted boxes (9219)
www.spies.com/aek/pdf/kennedy/006-0002-01_9219_formatter.pdf is the
manual for the 9219
If you are using these on DEC systems, you may have better luck finding
embedded Unibus or Qbus formatters made by Emulex, Plessey, Dilog, etc.
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Message: 37
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:23:37 -0700
From: "Patrick Rigney" <patrick(a)evocative.com>
Subject: SemiDisk Solid State Disk Emulator
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <NABBLBMGIPBIOFEOPLODMEJJPIAA.patrick(a)evocative.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Does anyone have a PDF scan of the manual for a SemiDisk solid-state disk
emulator? Please contact me if you do... --Patrick
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Message: 38
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:24:23 -0400
From: Ian Primus <ian_primus(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes!
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <D65F51DA-F84B-11D7-91F9-000393D7845A(a)yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
IIRC, you could no longer use 400k disks as of System 7.6, but you can
still use 800k disks up through System 9, provided of course that you
have a Mac with an internal floppy drive. The external USB drives are,
for the most part, PC clone laptop style drives, and therefore can not
read or write the GCR disks. But, you _can_ write 400k floppies on
System 7.6 and up with Disk Copy. You can't mount the image, and you
can't mount the disk you created, but it does work. Once again, you
have to have a Mac with an internal floppy drive. Why Apple stopped
offering floppy drives, I don't know. I know that the first peripheral
I bought for my G4 was a floppy drive, and I still hate the fact that
it's slow as hell, and doesn't have auto eject.
Ian Primus
ian_primus(a)yahoo.com
On Monday, October 6, 2003, at 04:39 PM, chris wrote:
Apple stopped having the drives read and write 400 and
800 k disks a
while ago.
Actually the System does that... I don't remember when though. I was wanting to get some mylar paper tape. There is an
auction on Ebay for
6 rolls of "black paper tape"... can one generally assume that black paper
tape is mylar and not just paper?
The URL is http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2562042672
Can anyone advise if this is likely to be mylar or not?
Regards,
Jay West
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Message: 41
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:29:54 -0400
From: "Andrew Strouse" <kittstr(a)access-4-free.com>
Subject: Re: Fat (512K) Mac Revival?
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <000201c38c5e$c068e460$7d444a43@amscomputer>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
There doesn't seem to be any battery in the back at all. Where do I go
about getting one of those? I haven't cracked the unit open yet but I will
and check the power supply.
Andrew Strouse
( kittstr(a)access-4-free.com )
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Hartman" <alhartman(a)yahoo.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: Fat (512K) Mac Revival?
It could be something as simple as a bad PRAM
battery.
There's a little door in the upper back, that has a
battery in it.
Open it and see if there's a battery in there. If it
hasn't exploded... You probably can try replacing that
as a start.
Next would be the Power Supply/Analog board.
But, yes... You should be able to buy a replacement
cheaper than fixing that unit. Though, you might find
buyers for the parts to help fund that.
Regards,
Al Hartman
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Message: 42
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:11:46 -0400
From: chris <cb(a)mythtech.net>
Subject: Re: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes!
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts "
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Message-ID: <S.0000273836(a)mythtech.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
From: "Andrew Strouse"
<kittstr(a)access-4-free.com>
The recent discussion about reviving a Mac SE/30
reminded me that I have a "fat mac" in my closet
collecting dust. I found it after a yard sale a
few years ago. ( I like to go late and see what
finds I can get for nothing because the people just
want the stuff out of their house.) I remember
when I plugged it in, nothing happened. No sounds,
lights, bars, patterns, sad/happy macs, etc. Does
anyone have any suggestions of what to do to
attempt to get it running. Is it worth it? (I'd
like to play with it but could I find another one
that works for less than it will take to fix?)
It came with a large box of disks, and external
drive, mouse and keyboard, so it seemed like a
complete system, except that it doesn't work.
Thanks in advance.
Andrew Strouse
( kittstr(a)access-4-free.com )
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IIRC, you could no longer use 400k disks as of System
7.6, but you can
still use 800k disks up through System 9, provided of course that you
have a Mac with an internal floppy drive.
I can't reliably read or write 800K disks in my PM 6500 with OS 9.0.4.
Haven't been able to for a few OS versions. Also can't in my PM 9600. It
attempts it, and is sometimes works for reading an 800K disk. It can also
on occasion write to 800K disks, but it can never format them. It will
attempt a format, it will even complete it without complaint... but the
disk will be undreadable in machines running older OS versions. If I
format in an older machine, I can then get a few writes to the disk
before the data is unreadable in an older machine (and if the disk is
freshly formatted, then I can usually get one or two reads as well).
So based on personal experience, I just chalk it up that Apple stopped
letting you do both 400 and 800 (with 400 being right out)
Why Apple stopped
offering floppy drives, I don't know.
Cost cutting. They were trying to get the iMac down to as cheap a build
as possible, and they knew that most consumers would have little need for
a floppy drive in the long run. So it was a place to shave a few bucks
off the manufacturing costs. Alas when they choose to do it, it was still
a tad premature, as yes, in the LONG run, most consumers wouldn't need a
floppy drive... but until they migrated their entire collection of old
disks to something else, then they still needed it (but its a typical
catch-22... if Apple left the drive in, no consumer would migrate their
stuff in anticipation for the removal of the drive, so the consumer
wasn't going to stop needing the drive, until right after the drive was
no longer there)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
End of cctalk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 10
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27 Oct
27 Oct
9:51 a.m.
Thanks to all how replied to my request for help. To summarize the
responses, there are a few web sites that claimed to have these
orderable:
<http://www.bulbdirect.com>
<http://www.bulbman.com>
Leave it to Tim Shoppa (thanks Tim!) to find a place in my back yard
that has them:
Empire Electronic Distributors
37 E. Union
Pasadena, CA 91103
626.796.0121
empire(a)jps.net
They had them for $0.35/ea
Much thanks to all...
John
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