18 Oct
2000
18 Oct
'00
8:43 p.m.
[more about the computer rescue mentioned in my last message]
Unloading in Milpitas, CA will be even more fun since we don't have a
loading dock at this end, the ramp isn't wide enough, and the truck
companies won't rent trucks with lift gates for one-way moves.
Apparently they don't think that people move large heavy awkward items
one-way. It's a shame since I know from personal experience that a
VAX-11/780 (or 785) will just fit on the lift gate of Budget's 15-foot
trucks. (For safety, I recommend having at least three people to
stabilize a VAX while a fourth operates the lift. However, in an
amazing display of sheer stupidity, a friend and I unloaded a 785 by
ourselves.)
Has anyone had experience with forklift rental? I did a web search
and turned up *zero* hits. From a different rescue operation, it
is known that a forklift is a excellent way to move a PDP-11/60,
which is almost as big as the 11/780. However, that time there was a
lumber yard across the street that was willing to send the forklift
and operator over to help; this time there's no lumber yard nearby. :-(
Eric
18 Oct
18 Oct
9:19 p.m.
Eric Smith wrote:
Has anyone had experience with forklift rental? I did a web search
and turned up *zero* hits. From a different rescue operation, it
is known that a forklift is a excellent way to move a PDP-11/60,
I know this is not too applicable since I'm in Italy, but when we moved
our 4381 to the museum I called all the companies selling fork lifts in my
area. Most of them were willing to rent them but only for a minimum of
one week and the cost was too high. At the end we used a single big truck
used for food transportation (was refrigerated too, but turned off) that
had a what-ever-its-called moving/raising platform. Had no problems lifting a
2 CPU 4381 and 3480 tapes. It was so big that the whole data center fit
inside and there was some room left; we put a dismantled Convex inside..
got some photos of that day.
At a customer's site they have 3 780 waiting for their last trip; last
week they just decommissioned 3 11/70 on of which in a DEC DATASYSTEM 720
cabinet (don't remember the exact number). Wish I had more room; maybe
a should junk my 11/40 ;-)
Eric, what are you moving? I lost your previous posting. Are you betraying
your iAPX 432?
e.
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19 Oct
19 Oct
3:47 a.m.
New subject: decommissioned 11/70
Enrico Badella wrote:
At a customer's site they have 3 780 waiting for their last trip; last
week they just decommissioned 3 11/70 on of which in a DEC DATASYSTEM 720
cabinet (don't remember the exact number). Wish I had more room; maybe
a should junk my 11/40 ;-)
I seem to remember either 520 or 570 on the datasystem...
I'd love to get a color scan of the front panel.
Perhaps someone could add it to one of the PDP11 emulators.
Slick blue toggle switches. The 11/74 piece we had at Princeton, NJ
used the same front panel design in blue.
Anyone ever see a reall full-up 11/74 and know what it had.
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4:54 a.m.
New subject: decommissioned 11/70
Bill Pechter wrote:
Its probably a 570. I'll try to see if I can get permission to enter
the glass room with a camera and take some photos. It is behind he other
2 11/70 with the usual red/purple switch console. In that room there are
lots of interesting things like RM03, at least 10, several VAX 4000
and VAX ft 3000 waiting to be junked.
e.
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Enrico Badella wrote:
At a customer's site they have 3 780 waiting for their last trip; last
week they just decommissioned 3 11/70 on of which in a DEC DATASYSTEM 720
cabinet (don't remember the exact number). Wish I had more room; maybe
a should junk my 11/40 ;-)
I seem to remember either 520 or 570 on the datasystem... 
18 Oct
18 Oct
9:27 p.m.
Renting a forklift is usually not a problem; most large industrial
equipment rental yards have several species of lift truck for hire.
Operating the said device, and transporting it, is the problem. To hire a
forklift for a remote site job requires that you get it there, and small
ones are generally not very roadable, even if street-legal. Therefore, you
need it delivered and picked up, usually with a four-hour minimum,
sometimes more. If you haven't had much experience with them, it might be
better to hire one with operator: all this gets prohibitive fast.
Have you considered heavy lumber ramps, ropes w/block and tackle, and a
few hardy StrongPersons to *ease* it down the ramp? I have unloaded some
fairly heavy items myself, using readily-available lifting aids, wood, and
a little thinking and planning. For example, I got a *big* CDC SMD drive,
and it was put onto my pickup truck by four guys using a loading dock. At
home, I used a chain hoist and 4x4 spreader bars, and nylon flat cinching
straps to lift it off the truck, drive the truck away, and lower it
down. Took three hours, but what else could I do with 700 pounds o' gear?
Just some thoughts. A forklift is certainly best in your situation,
if the costs make sense.
In California, look for a chain of places called 'Sam's U-Drive'.
Cheers
John
10:13 p.m.
Eric Smith wrote:
Has anyone had experience with forklift rental? I did a web search
and turned up *zero* hits. From a different rescue operation, it
You might well find it FAR less expensive to rent a truck with a tailgate at
your destination and use the rented truck instead of renting a forklift".
20 Oct
20 Oct
4:09 a.m.
> Has anyone had experience with forklift rental?
I did a web search
> and turned up *zero* hits. From a different rescue operation, it
You might well find it FAR less expensive to rent a
truck with a tailgate at
your destination and use the rented truck instead of renting a forklift".
For the absolut numbers maybe, but with the forklift, there comes
a driver - and the money you're paying i for his experiance andd
skill. We (Jon Zabolitzky and me) dir the same when we unloaded
the last 'small' shipment (a 20' container) at Jon'S place. Several
hundred dollar just for unloading seams high, but he did handle the
forklift in a way we never could do in 100 years. And dropning a
Rack with DEC disk drives more than 5 ft onto concrete may result
in more than just the need for a head alignment. And it was fast:
After less than two hours the whole job was done, we would have
needed more time. Try to considere this, damaging your nifty new
toy at the end of the journey would nullify all your prior effort.
Gruss
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Off-topic, but we had some really cool gear in the SeaBees.
An RT (rough terrain) lift has huge ballon off-road tires. The suspension
can be raised or dropped independantly for each tire. In addition, the
forks could be raised, lowered, opened left or right independantly or
together, they could also pivot front, rear, and 'roll' left or right.
You could 'trim' the vehicle for a steep grade in one direction and trim
the forks to counter that for a level load. The flexibility allowed for
some funky-looking trims.
Some of the Alpha Company guys could make thier machines DANCE to music.
It was like watching metal dinosaurs courting. Really cool. I'm not THAT
good, but I'm competant.
Regards,
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5 Nov
5 Nov
2:03 a.m.
New subject: RS6000 memory boards
Hi,
Yesterday I saved two IBM RS6000 server; one 7013/59H and one 7013/530H.
Unfortunately both have no ram boards, but each of them as 3 SCSI controllers.
Obviously the memory board from my 320H won't fit in the slots.
Does any body have a pair of memory board for these systems and is
willing to trade them with a pair of SCSI controllers? Even with minimum
RAM.
Or should I just junk the whole things and just save the four SCSI disks?
TIA
e.
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7:32 a.m.
New subject: RS6000 memory boards
Yesterday I saved two IBM RS6000 server; one 7013/59H
and one 7013/530H.
Unfortunately both have no ram boards, but each of them as 3 SCSI controllers.
Obviously the memory board from my 320H won't fit in the slots.
Does any body have a pair of memory board for these systems and is
willing to trade them with a pair of SCSI controllers? Even with minimum
RAM.
Or should I just junk the whole things and just save the four SCSI disks?
That's what I would do. The old RS6K servers are quite tough to find support
for and even more difficult to upgrade, but if you find a PPC "RS6K" server,
I would put some effort into that. stockholm, this box, is a PPC 604e (although
it's an Apple server, not an IBM box) running AIX 4.1.4 and I like it a lot.
Very snappy performance. Keep the disks for something that can really use 'em.
However, if you still want to take a whack at it, sometimes people are
selling equipment on comp.unix.aix. The prices can be quite confiscatory,
though.
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