On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote: D'ya mean that retractable ashtray holder? I once encountered a TRS-80 whose keyboard wasn't working due to a chronic accumulation of marijuana seeds that had fallen in.

It doesn't take much to make a model 1 key not function. A clean environment, or periodic cleanout of the keyboard is important.

If they weren't eating snacks before they ate the marijuana seeds, they certainly were afterwards. :-P -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- Funny, I don't remember being absent minded. -------------------------------

Nuts to that, smoking tobacco will kill you.

I feel the same way Zach, even being an ex-smoker but when someone ingests/shoots/snorts/etc a substance that makes them a danger to the general public like it does if a person is stoned or drunk and on the road with me and my family then I tend to feel like personally tying them to a stake in front of a firing squad. -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Zach Malone -> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 9:43 AM -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> Subject: OT: Smoking -> -> -> Yeah, -> Does it bother you that much if someone else is smoking -> though? In all -> honesty, IMHO people should be allowed to smoke, ingest, or shoot up with -> whatever they feel like, as long as they are not harming others. -> Sure, the -> smoke smells horrible, and I dislike being around people who are smoking -> (this is also due to the second hand smoke issue), but I have no problem -> with it. -> Zach -> -> ----- Original Message ----- -> From: "Mike Ford" <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> -> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> -> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:44 PM -> Subject: Re: Smoking around computers -> -> -> > >Just busting your chops. There's nothing wrong with smoking something -> > >that Mother Nature put on Earth. Shame on those that think otherwise. -> > -> > Nuts to that, smoking tobacco will kill you. -> > -> > -> ->

I'm less than two years away from my MD -- of course I know! ;-) -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. -- 1 Corinthians 8:1 ---------------

Roaches aren't bad if you know they are there, as are spiders, dependant on the type and where you are in the world (I don't think I'd like some of the ones in Oz or Africa). My biggest problem is rat and mouse crap, especially since the hantavirus problems in New Mexico some years ago and their urine totally eats through copper traces on circuit boards. -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of -> UberTechnoid(a)home.com -> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 3:27 PM -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> Subject: Wierd Things you've found inside... (was Smoking around -> computers) -> -> -> I once found a chunky roach jamming an injet's paper handler. Yes, the -> smokeable kind of roach. -> -> I've seen equipment literally choked with little roaches. They eat the -> insulation on wireing. Really gross to open a monitor that is crawling -> with bugs. I'm not one of those who can comfortably hold a roach or -> spider in thier hand. -> -> Or some of the pleasant surprises such as buying (not another!) -> ATR8000 to -> discover later that it had a Copower 88 and 256k of ram onboard. -> Or buying -> (not another!) 1050 disk drive to discover later it has a Super Archiver -> with Bitwriter installed. Or buying a Rana 1000 disk drive to discover -> that it Actually Works! -> -> A couple of years ago while working at my bench I hear a whoop from the -> sales floor and in rushes 'Bubba' Mac - another tech. I follow -> him to the -> bench behind the counter and see a desktop machine, i'ts skins -> laying next -> to it. Inside, near the power supply was a beautiful, full-grown, -> colorful, desicated butterfly. -> -> The machine hadn't been opened in the five years it had been owned. -> -> -> Any other spiritual (or just plain interesting) stuff found inside a -> computer? -> -> -> In <Pine.LNX.4.10.10112101650490.14350-100000(a)siconic.com>om>, on 12/10/01 -> at 04:52 PM, Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> said: -> -> >On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Cameron Kaiser wrote: -> -> >> > > I once encountered a TRS-80 whose keyboard wasn't working due to a -> >> > > chronic accumulation of marijuana seeds that had fallen in. -> >> > -> >> > I understand they're high in protein. Maybe this person -> ate them over -> >> > their keyboard like others eat snacks? :) -> >> -> >> If they weren't eating snacks before they ate the marijuana -> seeds, they -> >> certainly were afterwards. :-P -> -> >Sounds like this comes from someone who knows? -> -> >:) -> -> >Just busting your chops. There's nothing wrong with smoking something -> >that Mother Nature put on Earth. Shame on those that think otherwise. -> -> >Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer -> >Festival -> >---------------------------------------------------------------- -> -------------- -> >International Man of Intrigue and Danger -> >http://www.vintage.org -> -> -> -- -> ----------------------------------------------------------- -> Jeffrey S. Worley -> Asheville, NC USA -> 828-6984887 -> UberTechnoid(a)Home.com -> ----------------------------------------------------------- -> ->

On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Chad Fernandez wrote: I once was bitten by a wolf spider. It's an experience I wouldn't care to repeat. Peace... Sridhar

On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Chad Fernandez wrote: They're considered "mildly toxic", but it hurts like a bitch. They live over much of North America. If you're ever working on a car, and you get grease on your hand, put a small amount of powdered soap on your hand, add borax generously, a couple drops of water, so it makes a paste, and it will take the grease right off. Peace... Sridhar

----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad Fernandez" <fernande(a)internet1.net> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:54 PM Subject: Re: Wierd Things you've found inside... (was Smoking around computers) Ouch, not good. Nasty SOB's. People die from those. Yeah, heard about them, we have similar ones here, not sure what they are called, the only common spider in this area that is very poisonous, is the the Redback, which seems to be a variant of the Black Widow, however there is another black spider that is closely related, and are very common. Fortunately they are unagressive. Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Mark's College Port Pirie, South Australia geoffrob(a)stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au ICQ 1970476

At 09:43 PM 13/12/2001 +1030, Geoff Roberts wrote: It seems that the Redback is a very recent import to Australia (probably US). This new theory is based on the fact that the Aboriginal Australians do not mention the Redback in any of their dreaming stories. Now how's that for topic drift! Just filling in time while rebuilding linux kernels to support my CD-RW so I can burn a CD for a customer that I promised for 9am tomorrow morning. If this try doesn't work I'm moving the CD-RW back into the system where it used to work. Who said Server Consolidation saved money? Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au | "If God had wanted soccer played in the | air, the sky would be painted green"

Hmmmm ... CANNIBUS??? Is there an IEEE standard for that one? Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Blakeman" <rhblakeman(a)kih.net> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 12:14 PM Subject: RE: Smoking around computers

you're somewhere around Berkley, right? "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote: > > Bear in mind that I'm a FORMER smoker, and that there's no Catholic like a > > convert, as they say ... > > I've disassembled a number of CDROM drives that clearly suffered from > > D'ya mean that retractable ashtray holder? >

Oh heck yeah - I do industrial service on printers and PC's and along with the stuff you mention here I have a customer with a 5224 printer out on the production floor of a wood venier plant (very fine dust collects to everything) and one in a paper cutting room, etc. I don't go onsite anymore to these sites in Dockers and shirt/tie - it's strictly jeans and flannel shirt anymore. -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Ian Koller -> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 11:48 PM -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org; Richard Erlacher -> Subject: Re: Smoking around computers -> -> -> -> -> Dick, -> -> You've got plenty of other nasty stuff in the air in -> machine shops too. Smoking cutting oils, mist coolant -> drift, etc. One way to keep the gunk from being drawn -> through the drives is to leave the cover off the case. -> With an extra fan inside blowing across the boards, -> keeps everything cool enough. -> -> -> Ian -> -> -> Richard Erlacher wrote: -> > -> > Bear in mind that I'm a FORMER smoker, and that there's no -> Catholic like a -> > convert, as they say ... I don't know about truly Classic -> (pre-Apple/pre-CP/M) -> > hardware in this context, but from my experience with current -> hardware, i.e. -> > PC's with a fan at the back of the PSU that exhausts air -> that's drawn in through -> > the front-loading peripherals, I'd make the following comment. -> > -> > I've disassembled a number of CDROM drives that clearly suffered from -> > accumulation of dirt on the optic. In those few cases where -> (a) I knew the user -> > to be a frequent smoker, and (b) where I could smell the smoke -> on the innards of -> > the drive, I normally found that I couldn't clean the optic -> with anything I -> > dared put near the quite soluble plastics used in the drive -> and specifically in -> > the laser pickup. -> > -> > Likewise, I often have seen and smelled what was obviously -> tabacco smoke residue -> > on floppy disk innards. Those were easily cleaned, with the -> exception of the -> > heads, which in the cases where they were visibly stained (and -> it's not easy to -> > look at the heads, but, once they're visible, the damage is -> easy to see) with -> > what appeared to be smoke residue, and that generally has -> rendered the drives -> > unreliable. The environment in which I most frequently -> encountered this problem -> > was a machine shop where things were none too clean anyway, -> but the mousepad -> > showed plenty of evidence of a cigarette being held 2" in -> front of the end of -> > the box where the CDROM and FDD resided. It was no wonder the -> CDROM and FDD -> > smelled like a very dirty ashtray. -> > -> > This is largely the product of the stupid, Stupid, STUPID -> practice of putting -> > the fan in the PSU such that it exhausts the system in the way -> in which it does. -> > I routinely turn the fan around, and, in fact, on at least two -> of my boxes, have -> > put a second fan outside the PSU, with a filter between the -> two. This has quite -> > remarkably reduced the accumulation of dirt in the PSU as in -> the rest of the -> > box. It does make for a bit more noise, as the two fans tend -> to "beat" due to -> > the difference in speed. I once made a crude effort to -> measure the temperature -> > effect of doing this, and found the results favorable, since -> the reduced -> > presence of dirt meant freer airflow against the surfaces of -> the IC's that -> > required cooling in the box. I like to believe the conclusion -> I drew was -> > correct, but it was what I expected to find, so take it for -> what it's worth. -> > -> > Tobacco smoke is VERY sticky and VERY pervasive, and should be -> kept out of -> > computer hardware, even if only because it's so nasty and hard -> to remove. This -> > can be accomplished, if you don't want to turn around your PSU -> fan, by taping a -> > piece of paper towel to the front of your hardware so it -> requires the air to -> > flow THROUGH the paper towel, rather than going, unimpeded, -> through your -> > front-loading peripherals. That's probably adequate. Some -> cases once had a -> > sliding cover that protected these peripherals from the hazard -> of smoke and -> > other airborne pollutants. The air will still get into your -> computer, since its -> > box isn't air-tight, but at least it won't flow through the -> devices that would -> > be damaged most by it. -> > -> > ----- Original Message ----- -> > From: "Douglas Quebbeman" <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> -> > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> -> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:40 AM -> > Subject: RE: Smoking around computers -> > -> > > > > From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> -> > > > -> > > > > I wouldn't want anybody smoking near my computers! -> > > > -> > > > I've been chain-smoking around computers of various sorts -> for 20 years, and -> > > > I've never seen any evidence of smoke-related problems. I -> prefer that -> > > > computers don't smoke around me, however ;>) -> > > > -> > > > OTOH, audio gear seems to be very susceptible to my smoke, -> and I have to -> > > > clean all the switches and pots every three months or so. -> > > -> > > The early CDC disk drives (like many others I'm sure) has so -> > > much room between platters you could stick your hand in there, -> > > and enough room between the flying heads and the platter that -> > > neither smoke nor dust was a problem. One CDC engineer remarked -> > > to me about how they usually be smoking a cigarette while they -> > > were *polishing* the platters (yes, I know about the stiction -> > > cure joke, Lemon Pledge and all that). Which reminds me of an -> > > MPEG that Elsa included with the Winner3000 drivers... you -> > > watch this video, you'll think it's cigarettes that they're -> > > selling... -> > > -> > > -dq -> > > -> > > ->