17 Dec
2003
17 Dec
'03
4:45 a.m.
I'm looking at getting a cpu shipped to me from the UK. I checked UPS and it
says 40 pounds, 30x20x10 inches, would be about $106 to ship to me in US,
63146.
I've never shipped anything from UK to US before - can anyone advise if
there is a better carrier, things to look out for, etc. I'd appreciate any
advice.
Normally I wouldn't go to so much trouble, but it's a older PDP-11 that
would particularly round out my collection :)
Jay
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17 Dec
5:01 a.m.
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Jay West wrote:
I'm looking at getting a cpu shipped to me from
the UK. I checked UPS and it
says 40 pounds, 30x20x10 inches, would be about $106 to ship to me in US,
63146.
That's not a bad price...
I've never shipped anything from UK to US before - can anyone advise if
there is a better carrier, things to look out for, etc. I'd appreciate any
advice.
Pay to have a *wooden* crate made for it - I generally specify 4" in
excess of the dimensions of the piece being shipped, then have 'em pack
the BeJezeus out of it, the *band* the crate. A lot of work? Yup. Want
yer PDP11 all in one piece....? ESPECIALLY if by UPS...
Have a commercial invoice that clearly states "Obsolete electronic
equipment for repair parts only - no commercial value". DO NOT mention
'computer' or 'EDP' or anything like that. Value it as per the above,
unless you just like giving money to the Customs Folk. Same goes for
insurance. Don't have a $25 scrap value piece with $500 worth of insurance
on it. Obvious, but often overlooked snag.
I have had very, very good luck with Schenker International - I've a
300-pound crate being delivered in the UK as we speak (an eBay item I
sold) and they are very quick and careful with Old Electronic Gear. I've
used them to ship my entire previous collection to some crazy guys in
Munich - that was a 20' container - same good service.
BTW - the 300 lb crate from my door in Carson City, NV to Heathrow air
frieght was $254.... via Schenker.
Hope this helps a bit...
Cheers
John
7:23 a.m.
Hi,
John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com> said:
Have a commercial invoice that clearly states
"Obsolete electronic
equipment for repair parts only - no commercial value". DO NOT mention
'computer' or 'EDP' or anything like that. Value it as per the above,
unless you just like giving money to the Customs Folk.
Interesting. The last time I imported computer equipment from the US
to the UK I remember there was no duty to pay, computer equipment
apparently being duty free. I'm pretty sure it was a reciprocal
agreement with the US, is that not still the case? It *was* quite
a few years ago when I last imported anything.
Not really relevant, but I do know radio communications equipment is
duty free *into* the EU (however you *do* have to quote the correct
customs codes).
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7:59 a.m.
--- John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com> wrote:
Pay to have a *wooden* crate made for it - I
generally specify 4" in
excess of the dimensions of the piece being shipped,
then have 'em pack
the BeJezeus out of it, the *band* the crate. A lot
of work? Yup. Want
yer PDP11 all in one piece....? ESPECIALLY if by
UPS...
Another solution. A 40 lb computer bubbled wrapped
(large bubbles, 3 layers) and double boxed in a double
wall cardboard container can pretty much withstand any
abuse that any carrier can throw at it. It is also
light and doesn't require any special skill to
package.
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5:51 a.m.
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[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jay West
Sent: 17 December 2003 18:45
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: shipping help from UK
I'm looking at getting a cpu shipped to me from the UK. I checked
UPS and it
says 40 pounds, 30x20x10 inches, would be about $106 to ship to me in US,
63146.
I've never shipped anything from UK to US before - can anyone advise if
there is a better carrier, things to look out for, etc. I'd appreciate any
advice.
Normally I wouldn't go to so much trouble, but it's a older PDP-11 that
would particularly round out my collection :)
I'd take that - 40 pounds is about 19 kilos, and using the Royal Mail to
ship 19 kilos to the US costs ukp82.55 for surface shipping, which is about
$124. Make sure that it gets marked as a gift, and I'd also put a
description of something like 'old computer parts' rather than a whole
machine - Uncle Sam might get suspicious.
Just checked Amtrak and that's even more expensive.......
cheers
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7:55 a.m.
Jay,
UPS ships everything by air when shipping overseas. Needless to say, it
gets expensive! Try the USPS (or the local country's postal serice)
instead. Also be aware that "overweight" or "oversized" packages are a
LOT
more expensive. It may be a LOT cheaper to break the package into two
smaller/lighter packages. I shipped an Apple Lisa (~60#) to Japan and I
saved about 2/3 by shipping it in two packages instead of one.
Joe
At 12:45 PM 12/17/03 -0600, you wrote:
I'm looking at getting a cpu shipped to me from the
UK. I checked UPS and it
says 40 pounds, 30x20x10 inches, would be about $106 to ship to me in US,
63146.
I've never shipped anything from UK to US before - can anyone advise if
there is a better carrier, things to look out for, etc. I'd appreciate any
advice.
Normally I wouldn't go to so much trouble, but it's a older PDP-11 that
would particularly round out my collection :)
Jay
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8:44 a.m.
At 04:05 PM 12/17/03 -0600, you wrote:
Joe wrote...
No, but you could ship the PSU in a separate box. (I don't know how easy
it comes out). That's what I did with the Lisa.
Joe
PS I just threw an 11/05 into storage today. After your's arrives I'd
like to compare notes with you about them.
I saved about 2/3 by shipping it in two packages
instead of one.
I will not have a PDP-11/05 cpu cut in half to send as two packages
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9:50 a.m.
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Joe wrote:
PS I just threw an 11/05 into storage today. After
your's arrives I'd
like to compare notes with you about them.
I've got one too.
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11:15 a.m.
From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com>
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Joe wrote:
Festival
Hey me too. I think it originally came from Joe in a trade for several
hp5036s long ago. It had the m7261 board and two sets of g110 , g231, h213
core memory. It was missing the other half of the processor, the m7260. I
bought a 60, 61 board set off ebay some time back so I might have a spare
61. I think that leaves one slot available in the 11/05 and I'm hoping a
rx02 controller and 8" drives out of my 11/44 will work. (?)
Happy Holidays and Peace folks.
;)
- Mike: dogas(a)bellsouth.net
PS I just threw an 11/05 into storage today.
After your's arrives I'd
like to compare notes with you about them.
I've got one too.
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1:25 p.m.
At 08:15 PM 12/17/03 -0500, Mike wrote:
From: Vintage Computer Festival
<vcf(a)siconic.com>
No, that's an 11/04 and I GAVE it to you :-/
Joe
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Joe wrote:
Festival
Hey me too. I think it originally came from Joe in a trade for several
hp5036s long ago. It had the m7261 board and two sets of g110 , g231, h213
core memory. It was missing the other half of the processor, the m7260. I
bought a 60, 61 board set off ebay some time back so I might have a spare
61. I think that leaves one slot available in the 11/05 and I'm hoping a
rx02 controller and 8" drives out of my 11/44 will work. (?) PS I just threw an 11/05 into storage today.
After your's arrives I'd
like to compare notes with you about them.
I've got one too.
--
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
1:37 p.m.
From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
Nope, You''re not remembering back far enough. it was an 11/05 earlier.
You did give me a filled LSI-11 card cage in that *big* pile later that
might be the 11/04 your thinking about (although I thought it was 11/03 ish)
otherwise you must be thinking of someone else. No 11/04s here but
definately an 11/05 and 11/44 among too many others.
;)
- Mike
>
>
>Hey me too. I think it originally came from Joe in a trade for several
>hp5036s long ago. It had the m7261 board and two sets of g110 , g231,
h213
>core memory. It was missing the other half of the
processor, the m7260.
I
bought a 60, 61
board set off ebay some time back so I might have a spare
61. I think that leaves one slot available in the 11/05 and I'm hoping a
rx02 controller and 8" drives out of my 11/44 will work. (?)
No, that's an 11/04 and I GAVE it to you :-/
Joe
18 Dec
18 Dec
6:10 a.m.
At 10:37 PM 12/17/03 -0500, you wrote:
From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
Nope, You''re not remembering back far enough. it was an 11/05 earlier.
You did give me a filled LSI-11 card cage in that *big* pile later that
might be the 11/04 your thinking about (although I thought it was 11/03 ish)
otherwise you must be thinking of someone else. No 11/04s here but
definately an 11/05 and 11/44 among too many others.
Well I guess the Dislexia is spreading! I was wrong and you are correct.
I went and looked this morning, the one that I have here is an 11/04. So
the one I gave you is an 11/05. You've also still got my 11/23 that's in
the small box with the 8" drive. I think I gave you a couple of other DECs
at the same time as the 11/05 but I can't remember what they were.
Joe
>
>
>Hey me too. I think it originally came from Joe in a trade for several
>hp5036s long ago. It had the m7261 board and two sets of g110 , g231,
h213
>core memory. It was missing the other half
of the processor, the m7260.
I
bought a
60, 61 board set off ebay some time back so I might have a spare
61. I think that leaves one slot available in the 11/05 and I'm hoping a
rx02 controller and 8" drives out of my 11/44 will work. (?)
No, that's an 11/04 and I GAVE it to you :-/
Joe
7:53 a.m.
From Joe
You've also still got my 11/23 that's in the
small box with the 8" drive.
Still? ;) That cute little thing is a GenRad 2295 Central Station...
I think I gave you a couple of other DECs at the same
time as the 11/05
but I can't remember what they were
I'll spare you those painful memories...
;)
- Mike: dogas(a)bellsouth.net
17 Dec
17 Dec
2:48 p.m.
Hey me too. I think it originally came from Joe in a
trade for several
hp5036s long ago. It had the m7261 board and two sets of g110 , g231, h213
core memory. It was missing the other half of the processor, the m7260. I
bought a 60, 61 board set off ebay some time back so I might have a spare
61. I think that leaves one slot available in the 11/05 and I'm hoping a
rx02 controller and 8" drives out of my 11/44 will work. (?)
Certainly should do. That spare slot is a standard SPC device slot. Of
course you'll have to cut the NPG jumper on the back of the backplane if
you put an RX211 in there.
-tony
10:39 a.m.
No, but you could ship the PSU in a separate box. (I
don't know how easy
it comes out). That's what I did with the Lisa.
The PSU does come out, but it's not totally trivial. IIRC, you have to
remove the PSU PSB from the PSU chassis (a number of screws) in order to
reach some of the connectors (mate-n-lock in-line things). Then you can
remove the PSU chassis complete with the (heavy) mains transformer.
-tony
10:32 a.m.
Joe wrote...
No, but you might find it cheaper if, say, the PSU is removed and
packaged separately.
-----------------
As many of you know, a processor consists of 2 main sections -- the data
path and the control. I once demonstrated this using a PDP11/05. I said
'Now we cut the processor in half', picked up a hacksaw, and advanced
towards the 11/05. I got some worried looks. Of course I put the hacksaw
down and pulled out the 2 CPU boards, one of which is essentially the
data path, the other the control logic...
-tony
I saved about 2/3 by shipping it in two packages
instead of one.
I will not have a PDP-11/05 cpu cut in half to send as two packages
*GRIN*
8:07 a.m.
One tidbit, I have been able to drop the price of
overseas shipping by up to 70% by picking up the item
directly at the airport. This is only practical if you
live close to a major airport that the carrier
supports.
--- Jay West <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
I'm looking at getting a cpu shipped to me from
the
UK. I checked UPS and it
says 40 pounds, 30x20x10 inches, would be about $106
to ship to me in US,
63146.
I've never shipped anything from UK to US before -
can anyone advise if
there is a better carrier, things to look out for,
etc. I'd appreciate any
advice.
Normally I wouldn't go to so much trouble, but it's
a older PDP-11 that
would particularly round out my collection :)
Jay
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10:33 a.m.
One tidbit, I have been able to drop the price of
overseas shipping by up to 70% by picking up the item
directly at the airport. This is only practical if you
live close to a major airport that the carrier
supports.
Reminds me of the time I had to move something (a DEC H960 rack, it's
on-topic) about 60 miles within England. One shipping company told me
they could only handle it if I took it to their nearest depot, which was
about 40 miles away. Needless to say I told the idiots that if I could
move it 40 miles, I could also move it 60 :-)
-tony
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