:)) Science ? Just define science - AFAIK they had a lot of scientific research - just more in a way a 'bit' different. Their approach ist just alien for us today. And in fact, the church at this time wasn't anti-science they promoted research and payed a whole lot of money to support researchers. But like every big institution they are a bit slow when it comes to new ideas (Ever tried to launch a project based on a complete new idea ?). Even if you advance to the time of Galileo, the force behind the bann have just been some 'fellows' out of sheer envy. As mor as I learn about this 'dark ages' as less dark they apear. Not even very different from before or after (especialy not differentfrom now ). Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK