29 Nov
2008
29 Nov
'08
11:58 p.m.
Does anyone here have pull with Sun Microsystems or know someone who does?
I'm trying to get the right person jazzed up about the idea of a Type 7
keyboard built like a Model M. I've already emailed clickykeyboards.com
about it and they'll do the engineering and design work for about $27k. A
Type 7 sells brand new for around $50. I'm sure people would be more than
willing to pay twice as much for a "Type 7m".
--
David Griffith
dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu
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30 Nov
30 Nov
6:48 a.m.
David Griffith wrote:
Does anyone here have pull with Sun Microsystems or know someone who does?
I'm trying to get the right person jazzed up about the idea of a Type 7
keyboard built like a Model M. I've already emailed clickykeyboards.com
about it and they'll do the engineering and design work for about $27k. A
Type 7 sells brand new for around $50. I'm sure people would be more than
willing to pay twice as much for a "Type 7m".
Could you explain a little more? I got off the sun bus around type 4
keyboards.
What's special about a model 7? and whats a "Model M"?
Back in the day I loved my sun keyboard, but it looked like this:
http://flickr.com/photos/joeclark/2193465934/
i.e. with the control key in the correct place :-)
-brad
7:32 a.m.
Brad Parker wrote:
David Griffith wrote:
Type 5 (UNIX layout).
Sometime around the 286 or so days I got used to the PC layout...
While I probably could use either under UNIX, under DOS, the
larger backslash key (and conveniently located) is a plus. I also
like the larger backspace key of the PC layout.
Guess it is just what you get used to.
I should have some Type 5 UNIX layout keyboards around if
anyone is looking any... make an offer... I won't be using them.
-- Curt
-- Curt
Does anyone here have pull with Sun Microsystems
or know someone who does?
I'm trying to get the right person jazzed up about the idea of a Type 7
keyboard built like a Model M. I've already emailed clickykeyboards.com
about it and they'll do the engineering and design work for about $27k. A
Type 7 sells brand new for around $50. I'm sure people would be more than
willing to pay twice as much for a "Type 7m".
Could you explain a little more? I got off the sun bus around type 4
keyboards.
What's special about a model 7? and whats a "Model M"?
Back in the day I loved my sun keyboard, but it looked like this:
http://flickr.com/photos/joeclark/2193465934/
i.e. with the control key in the correct place :-)
-brad
2:36 p.m.
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 15:48, Brad Parker <brad at heeltoe.com> wrote:
...
Back in the day I loved my sun keyboard, but it looked like this:
http://flickr.com/photos/joeclark/2193465934/
This layout is still available, my Type 6 works fine on my Dell PC.It's
described there :http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/806-6642/6jfipqu5v?a=view
(last one, labeled : U.S.A./UNIX Keyboard)
--
Stephane
Paris, France.
2:40 p.m.
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008, Brad Parker wrote:
David Griffith wrote:
That's a Type 5.
The Model M keyboard was created by IBM for the PS/2 line. See
http://www.clickykeyboards.com/ for details. It's notable for being a
very tough and comfortable keyboard. The Type 7 is Sun's latest keyboard.
The layout is unchanged from the Type 5 and somewhat resembles it, but
feels much cheaper and more fragile. The Type 7 is USB only. The Type 6
has the same layout, has irritating curves and a wrist rest and came in
USB and Sun mini-din models. What I'm after is a keyboard built like the
Model M, but with the layout of a Type [5|6|7]. I'm trying to justify
this to Sun as being good for selling to customers who subject keyboards
to heavy use. The standard Type 7 just doesn't feel up to the task.
Oh, and it was Unicomp who said they can engineer such a keyboard, not
clickykeyboards.com.
--
David Griffith
dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu
A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
Does anyone here have pull with Sun Microsystems or know someone who does?
I'm trying to get the right person jazzed up about the idea of a Type 7
keyboard built like a Model M. I've already emailed clickykeyboards.com
about it and they'll do the engineering and design work for about $27k. A
Type 7 sells brand new for around $50. I'm sure people would be more than
willing to pay twice as much for a "Type 7m".
Could you explain a little more? I got off the sun bus around type 4
keyboards.
What's special about a model 7? and whats a "Model M"?
Back in the day I loved my sun keyboard, but it looked like this:
http://flickr.com/photos/joeclark/2193465934/
i.e. with the control key in the correct place :-) 
2 Dec
2 Dec
11:44 p.m.
On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:48 AM, Brad Parker wrote:
Good heavens, "Weird OLD Sun keyboard"...That's a Type 5, damn new
in my book. I still have my Type 2s...more than a decade older than
that. They felt great, too.
Those Type 5 keyboards, and their much nicer (IMO) predecessors,
the Type 4, were available with the control key in both the right and
the wrong places.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Does anyone
here have pull with Sun Microsystems or know someone
who does?
I'm trying to get the right person jazzed up about the idea of a
Type 7
keyboard built like a Model M. I've already emailed
clickykeyboards.com
about it and they'll do the engineering and design work for about
$27k. A
Type 7 sells brand new for around $50. I'm sure people would be
more than
willing to pay twice as much for a "Type 7m".
Could you explain a little more? I got off the sun bus around type 4
keyboards.
What's special about a model 7? and whats a "Model M"?
Back in the day I loved my sun keyboard, but it looked like this:
http://flickr.com/photos/joeclark/2193465934/
i.e. with the control key in the correct place :-) 
30 Nov
30 Nov
8:25 a.m.
David Griffith wrote:
Does anyone here have pull with Sun Microsystems or
know someone who does?
I'm trying to get the right person jazzed up about the idea of a Type 7
keyboard built like a Model M. I've already emailed clickykeyboards.com
about it and they'll do the engineering and design work for about $27k. A
Type 7 sells brand new for around $50. I'm sure people would be more than
willing to pay twice as much for a "Type 7m".
Note that there are conversion boxes that turn PS/2 keyboards + mice
into Sun Desktop Bus devices. these used to go for roughly $100-$200.
Might be easier to get a Model-M keyboard + your favorite mouse hooked
up to one of these. Yes, there are issues with these such as the extra
keys being missing, but these devices typically have alternate sequences
for those - mine came with a reference card which I keep under the
keyboard - this way Sun machines can easily hook up to cheap KVM's such
as the Belkin 8 port I use.
The only issue left is there's no way to power on the Sun box from the
keyboard, going behind the machine to hit the power switch is needed.
Otherwise, they work just fine, even the L1-A sequence.
8:56 a.m.
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Ray Arachelian <ray at arachelian.com> wrote:
Note that there are conversion boxes that turn PS/2
keyboards + mice
into Sun Desktop Bus devices. these used to go for roughly $100-$200.
Here's the one I use, up now for $20 buy-it-now:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190264289948
As Ray says, this box comes with a reference card showing how to
emulate the various special Sun keystrokes, like Stop-A. Belkin has a
similar box but I've had an easier time getting video to sync with the
Raritan. Grab it before I decide I need an extra ;)
1:37 p.m.
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Jason T <silent700 at gmail.com> wrote:
Here's the one I use, up now for $20 buy-it-now:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190264289948
One list reader has asked if I had the manual/cheatsheet for this box
(the Raritan APSSUN II.) And lo, after some digging, I have found it.
And here is a quick-and-dirty scan of said document, rendered with
Acrobat 8 but hopefully readable to everyone:
http://chiclassiccomp.org/docs/Raritan/
10:19 a.m.
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:25:45 -0500
Ray Arachelian <ray at arachelian.com> wrote:
Note that there are conversion boxes that turn PS/2
keyboards + mice
into Sun Desktop Bus devices.
http://www.kbdbabel.org/
I am using a PS/2 to Sun kbdbabel on my U60 for 1 1/2 year now.
--
tsch??,
Jochen
Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
12:36 p.m.
On Sunday 30 November 2008, Ray Arachelian wrote:
David Griffith wrote:
I think that a type-7 keyboard is USB, so I don't think that will help
all that much. :)
Pat
--
Purdue University Research Computing --- http://www.rcac.purdue.edu/
The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org
Does anyone here have pull with Sun Microsystems
or know someone
who does? I'm trying to get the right person jazzed up about the
idea of a Type 7 keyboard built like a Model M. I've already
emailed clickykeyboards.com about it and they'll do the engineering
and design work for about $27k. A Type 7 sells brand new for
around $50. I'm sure people would be more than willing to pay
twice as much for a "Type 7m".
Note that there are conversion boxes that turn PS/2 keyboards + mice
into Sun Desktop Bus devices. these used to go for roughly
$100-$200. Might be easier to get a Model-M keyboard + your favorite
mouse hooked up to one of these. 
10:40 p.m.
Rumor has it that David Griffith may have mentioned these words:
Does anyone here have pull with Sun Microsystems or
know someone who does?
I'm trying to get the right person jazzed up about the idea of a Type 7
keyboard built like a Model M. I've already emailed clickykeyboards.com
about it and they'll do the engineering and design work for about $27k. A
Type 7 sells brand new for around $50. I'm sure people would be more than
willing to pay twice as much for a "Type 7m".
How important are which features you want? If the "control key is in the
right place" feature means a lot to you, you can have that now for only
slightly more than Sun wants:
http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/linux101.html
Not sure if you can get these in USB, but a PS/2->USB adapter should fit
the bill nicely. $70 (and I'll assume plus shipping.)
They do have this layout with an integrated
catstongue/j-stick/eraserhead/whateveryouwannacallit pointing device for $100.
However, these don't have the "extra" keys down the left side of the
keyboard. If that's what's most important to you, then that will indeed be
exceptionally tough to find, IMHO.
HTH,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger | Anarchy doesn't scale well. -- Me
zmerch at 30below.com. |
SysAdmin, Iceberg Computers
10:49 p.m.
Rumor has it that David Griffith may have mentioned these words:
Does anyone here have pull with Sun Microsystems or
know someone who does?
I'm trying to get the right person jazzed up about the idea of a Type 7
keyboard built like a Model M. I've already emailed clickykeyboards.com
about it and they'll do the engineering and design work for about $27k. A
Type 7 sells brand new for around $50. I'm sure people would be more than
willing to pay twice as much for a "Type 7m".
Hey, found a link on the same site that might get you closer, but you'd
still prolly have to remap some things:
http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/122keyterkey.html
It's got function keys on the left and 2 rows of function keys - you could
get this keyboard programmed in a *nix-like layout as well?
This one is runs $100, it doesn't have a mouse option. Oh, and this
sucker's really, *really* big. I used these on IBM terminals way back, and
you'll need a big desk for this rascal. ;-)
Just a thought,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- SysAdmin, Iceberg Computers
_??_ zmerch at 30below.com
(?||?) If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
_)(_ disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
3 Dec
3 Dec
9:33 a.m.
Does anyone here have pull with Sun Microsystems or
know someone who does?
I'm trying to get the right person jazzed up about the idea of a Type 7
keyboard built like a Model M. I've already emailed clickykeyboards.com
about it and they'll do the engineering and design work for about $27k. A
Type 7 sells brand new for around $50. I'm sure people would be more than
willing to pay twice as much for a "Type 7m".
Send me a sun with two keyboards and I'll create an adaptor to connect a
type "M" to a sun, he he he
Sorry not being able to help, but there is NO Sun thinghies near me :(
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alexandre-listas＠e-secure.com.br -
brad＠heeltoe.com -
dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu -
jkunz＠unixag-kl.fh-kl.de -
mcguire＠neurotica.com -
pat＠computer-refuge.org -
ray＠arachelian.com -
rescue＠hawkmountain.net -
silent700＠gmail.com -
stephane.tsacas＠gmail.com -
zmerch-cctalk＠30below.com -
zmerch＠30below.com