16 Nov
2009
16 Nov
'09
12:24 p.m.
Folks,
Some 'artists' are mental. Discuss.
Item 150382954132
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16 Nov
16 Nov
1:33 p.m.
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Adrian Graham wrote:
Folks,
Some 'artists' are mental. Discuss.
Item 150382954132
No, the person who pays the asking price is mental. If the 'artist'
succeeds at selling it for that, the 'artist' is a genius. If he fails to
sell it, he's just a destructive pyromaniac having some 'fun'.
Zane
1:37 p.m.
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Adrian Graham wrote:
I like the picture with the caption "Makes a great conversation
piece". Indeed. "You paid HOW MUCH for that???"
Mark
Folks,
Some 'artists' are mental. Discuss.
Item 150382954132
No, the person who pays the asking price is mental. ?If the 'artist'
succeeds at selling it for that, the 'artist' is a genius. ?If he fails to
sell it, he's just a destructive pyromaniac having some 'fun'.
Zane 
1:43 p.m.
Zane H. Healy wrote:
The only question I have is, was this machine working when it was nuked?
Peace... Sridhar
Folks,
Some 'artists' are mental. Discuss.
Item 150382954132
No, the person who pays the asking price is mental. If the 'artist'
succeeds at selling it for that, the 'artist' is a genius. If he fails to
sell it, he's just a destructive pyromaniac having some 'fun'. 
17 Nov
17 Nov
1:42 a.m.
New subject: [personal] Re: Speechless! (ebay madness alert)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 9:33 PM
Subject: [personal] Re: Speechless! (ebay madness alert)
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Adrian Graham wrote:
I'm afraid this just confirms my views on some "artists", especially with
his over inflated view of his worth.
Those that can get a proper job, those that can't become artists,
politicians.......etc, I should be a professional cynic.
So what's the liquid draining down the screen and case when it's loaded into
the microwave.
Mike
Folks,
Some 'artists' are mental. Discuss.
Item 150382954132
No, the person who pays the asking price is mental. If the 'artist'
succeeds at selling it for that, the 'artist' is a genius. If he fails to
sell it, he's just a destructive pyromaniac having some 'fun'. Zane
4:09 a.m.
New subject: [personal] Re: Speechless! (ebay madness alert)
I'd make a very politically incorrect joke about this, but since we live in
the age of the politically correct thinking (and it is boring as hell),
better be quiet and don't have a fatwa issued against me :o)
But think about towels, brains, heat, and so on :)
16 Nov
16 Nov
1:37 p.m.
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Namens Adrian Graham
Verzonden: maandag 16 november 2009 21:25
Aan: Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Onderwerp: Speechless! (ebay madness alert)
Folks,
Some 'artists' are mental. Discuss.
Item 150382954132
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I think the apple guys will call a fatwah on this 'artist' ..
I strongly suggest he stays out of Cupertino ;-)
-Rik
1:53 p.m.
Meh, I don't see what the big deal is. I can't judge its merit as a
sculpture; I've seen uglier being priced higher. The value of art is
whatever someone is willing to pay for it. One can't judge the cost
of the source materials - all sculptures are in the end just a piece
of metal/wood/plastic/stone/whatever.
Is is a good use of an old Mac? Sure why not; they are not exactly
rarities. Is this any worse that collecting dust in a basement
somewhere, or being turned into a Macquarium?
This was obviously not a random bashing together of stuff, since it
required a microwave oven large enough to hold the Mac. I would like
to have seen the act of microwaving!
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1:57 p.m.
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 16:53, Joachim Thiemann
<joachim.thiemann at gmail.com> wrote:
This was obviously not a random bashing together of
stuff, since it
required a microwave oven large enough to hold the Mac. ?I would like
to have seen the act of microwaving!
Oops, never mind - there is a video on the page. Not as cool (or as
intelligent) as I had imagined. In fact, probably released toxic
fumes into the environment, and if it really was "the first off the
line" (debatable - and less significant since the 128k's are more
significant) a bit of a shame.
Joe.
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1:49 p.m.
Adrian Graham wrote:
Folks,
Some 'artists' are mental. Discuss.
Item 150382954132
Curious that they claim that "it's the very first Macintosh 512k off the
assembly line", but offer no proof of this (e.g. serial number). Also,
if you scroll all the way to the bottom and read the last paragraph of
the description, it does get a bit amusing. The video is incredibly
lame btw.
As others have said, more power to'em if he can get that much (or
anywhere near that much) for it. If he does, I'm either going to start
baking a few of my own, or maybe sell them as "kits" (e.g. you supply
the microwave) for 1/10th the price.
2:01 p.m.
Shrug. People like to do things to Apple gear:
http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=iphone3g
Cheers,
Chuck
17 Nov
17 Nov
12:21 p.m.
That was awesome, especially in slow motion.
Just as long as he only blends modern gear, I don't care :)
Regards,
Andrew B
aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk
--- On Mon, 16/11/09, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com>
Subject: Re: Speechless! (ebay madness alert)
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
Date: Monday, 16 November, 2009, 22:01
Shrug.? People like to do things to Apple gear:
http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=iphone3g
Cheers,
Chuck
2:43 p.m.
Fred Cisin wrote:
Well. WhoTF would be able to tell now !
I can think of something^H^H^H^H^Hone that should be microwaved
and sold on eBay.... oh wait... they don't allow selling of (cooked?) body
parts....
Maybe Mac 512Ks aren't that rare... but I don't have one.... (oldest I have
(in Macs) is a Plus). There are enough? Model-T's out there... maybe he
should Microwave one of them ?
Artist my @ss
Signing off before my language gets any worse :-)
#@$#TJ#@)FJ@#)F
Curious that
they claim that "it's the very first Macintosh 512k off the
assembly line", but offer no proof of this (e.g. serial number). Also,
Does it have the signatures of the developers molded on the inside of the
case?
2:03 p.m.
On 16/11/2009 23:43, "Curtis H. Wilbar Jr." <rescue at hawkmountain.net>
wrote:
Maybe Mac 512Ks aren't that rare... but I
don't have one.... (oldest I have
(in Macs) is a Plus). There are enough? Model-T's out there... maybe he
should Microwave one of them ?
I guess I'm lucky that I was given a pristine Fat Mac with some extra bits a
few years ago and it's the only one I've seen in all my years collecting.
Someone microwaving one just got my goat. Will he get $24k for it? I hope
not.
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Www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UK's biggest private home computer
collection?
1:51 p.m.
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Adrian Graham wrote:
Folks,
Some 'artists' are mental. Discuss.
Item 150382954132
I don't know about being an "artist", but if that really was the
first
512k machine off the line (and it's something that can be proven), he
needs to die in a very messy, very public manner.
g.
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1:55 p.m.
microwaved?
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
I don't know about being an
"artist", but if that really was the first
512k machine off the line (and
it's something that can be proven), he needs
to die in a very messy, very public manner.
g.
2:53 p.m.
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Joe Giliberti wrote:
microwaved?
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Gene Buckle <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I don't know about being an "artist", but if that really was the
first
> 512k machine off the line (and it's something that can be proven), he needs
> to die in a very messy, very public manner.
>
> g.
Brilliant! There should be plenty of power available in Times Square
too...
g.
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2:11 p.m.
It never fails to amaze me how much of this kind
of pointless nonsense passes as 'art'. My kneejerk
reaction to this kind of 'art' is related to
something Homer Simpson once said on "The Simpsons":
"Everybody knows that anything that's hard couldn't
possibly be worth doing."
Creating artwork that will truly endure is one of
those 'hard' things, ergo, Homer's mentality suggests:
"Lets do something criminally easy & stupid to this
thing, and everyone will think that it's art."
Bottom Line: One less (working) Mac in the world.
It's death was both stupid and pointless. I suspect
even Homer would have thought so.
-----Original Message-----
From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk
Sent: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:24:56 +0100
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Speechless! (ebay madness alert)
Folks,
Some 'artists' are mental. Discuss.
Item 150382954132
--
Adrian/Witchy
Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator
Www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UK's biggest private home computer
collection?
2:14 p.m.
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, N0body H0me wrote:
It never fails to amaze me how much of this kind
of pointless nonsense passes as 'art'.
I think this sort of thing can be neatly described as trolling on ebay.
"Let's see what sort of moron buys this!"
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17 Nov
17 Nov
1:09 p.m.
Adrian Graham wrote:
Folks,
Some 'artists' are mental. Discuss.
Item 150382954132
Every artist I've known has cared about the work they produce and wanted it to
last, which has meant they tend to recognise when an item has historical value
and shouldn't be destroyed purely for the sake of 'art'; the things that get
sacrificed are the things that they think are worthless (they don't always
have good judgement in that regard, but that's a separate issue).
That ebay page suggests the guy knew it was something rare and of interest
when it was still intact. I think there are probably three possibilities:
1) He's a total nutball,
2) He's lying and the machine that got nuked wasn't anything special at all
(with the machine shown beforehand being either faked, or the genuine thing
which got swapped at the last minute),
3) Both of the above
The fact that it was posted to a computing section rather than any kind of
'art' area suggests part of his aim is to stir up publicity, negative or
otherwise. The fact that it's priced so insanely high suggests he doesn't
*want* it to sell at all, possibly because he's worried about a fraud claim...
Maybe someone clued-up knows where serial #1 is / was, as I'm surprised it
hasn't passed under someone's nose at some point (if it hasn't gone to
landfill year ago).
cheers
Jules
1:33 p.m.
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 16:09, Jules Richardson
<jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> wrote:
?1) He's a total nutball,
?2) He's lying and the machine that got nuked wasn't anything special at all
(with the machine shown beforehand being either faked, or the genuine thing
which got swapped at the last minute),
?3) Both of the above
The fact that it was posted to a computing section rather than any kind of
'art' area suggests part of his aim is to stir up publicity, negative or
otherwise. The fact that it's priced so insanely high suggests he doesn't
*want* it to sell at all, possibly because he's worried about a fraud
claim...
I agree, he seems like a total attention whore in the video.
However, can _any_ fat mac be considered "historically relevant"?
AFAIK, it brought nothing new to the table other than the marketing
realization that selling an underpowered non-expandable computer will
NOT convert the masses to your revolutionary "computing appliance".
Were there even any modifications to the motherboard other than adding
more or bigger RAM chips?
He seems to think it's first off the line due to the "M0001W" model
designation - the serial number is never shown.
I have an original 128k Mac, in very nice condition, fully functional.
It's not getting anywhere NEAR a microwave. :-)
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Joachim Thiemann :: http://www.tsp.ece.mcgill.ca/~jthiem
1:53 p.m.
However, can _any_ fat mac be considered
"historically relevant"?
For that matter, can any of the first generation Macs really be called
"rare"? There are still lots of 128K and FatMacs out there.
Consider this - the behavior on this list regarding the piece pretty
much proves that it is indeed a successful artwork, at least on the
small scale. The point of Dada *IS* to be anti-art, and to cause the
public reactions that we are witnessing here. The bigger the reaction,
the more successful the piece, to the point that the content really
does not matter.
And consider this - what if this piece REALLY catches on, and ends up
in a museum (I doubt it - it is kind of derivative - trashed computers
as art is nothing new) - what then? Will its value as art exceed its
value as an artifact? What if it was an Apple 1 and ended up at MoMA?
Cripes, guys - I am by no means an art nut, but compared to you bunch
of cavemen...
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2:13 p.m.
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:53:05 -0500, William Donzelli
wrote:
Mongo smash!
g.
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Cripes, guys - I am by no means an art nut, but
compared to you bunch
of cavemen...
5:52 p.m.
William Donzelli wrote:
.. one might even suggest that those bitching about it have been co-opted
into being part of the art project.
My bitch would be that even as Dadaist art it's not particularly new or
revelatory, hence: ..yawn.. nothing to get excited about on any count.
However, can _any_ fat mac be considered
"historically relevant"?
For that matter, can any of the first generation Macs really be called
"rare"? There are still lots of 128K and FatMacs out there.
Consider this - the behavior on this list regarding the piece pretty
much proves that it is indeed a successful artwork, at least on the
small scale. The point of Dada *IS* to be anti-art, and to cause the
public reactions that we are witnessing here. The bigger the reaction,
the more successful the piece, to the point that the content really
does not matter.
And consider this - what if this piece REALLY catches on, and ends up
in a museum (I doubt it - it is kind of derivative - trashed computers
as art is nothing new) - what then? Will its value as art exceed its
value as an artifact? What if it was an Apple 1 and ended up at MoMA?
Cripes, guys - I am by no means an art nut, but compared to you bunch
of cavemen... 
1:57 p.m.
If it was the *real* #1 (it's not) I'm sure there'd be a note from Woz and
Steve available
authenticating it.
After all, if you were a real collector and fan of the hardware, and you had the real #1,
you'd probably go out of your way to keep it pristine, but also to get it autographed
by Woz and Steve, and a note from them validating it.
that being said, Steve and/or Woz probably has #1 if it's still around.
someone should drop the ebay link in their email, I'm sure they wouldn't be happy
with it.
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