8 Jun
2001
8 Jun
'01
3:21 a.m.
Geez...just when you think you've heard it all. This is taking those
neighborhood zoning restrictions a bit too far. Obviously, the neighbor has
too much time on their hands. Good luck getting it worked out Mike.
Jeff
I am so steamed right now, buried in my junk mail I
just found a letter
from the city of Orange where I live. (peoples republic of California)
Notice of violation and order to comply
* Storage of computer and parts in the residential area
Apparently some neighbor had a inspector come over and peek in my windows
last week, and sure enough I do have a few computers stacked around right
now. The gist of the complaint is that while I comply with all the noise,
parking, etc. they want me to have a "Home Occupation Business License" and
restrict my storage to 500 cubic feet in an enclosed garage.
Now I guess I have to agree the home is occupied with computers, but my
first reaction is that it is strictly a hobby, no business activity goes on
at all. Before I say anything though I am going to go and read Orange
Municipal Code 17.14.050(H) in the morning.
I love the arrogance of these people too, giving me 14 days to comply. My
guess is that at best this will be a big PITA, since it kind of hamstrings
me, if I sell off a bunch of stuff, then I am a business, but if I don't
then I may be looking at endless harassment.
8 Jun
8 Jun
3:37 a.m.
You know they can't prove he ever got the letter unless it was served or
sent (and signed for) by certified or registered mail.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jeff Hellige
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 7:22 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Storage of computer and parts in the residential area
Geez...just when you think you've heard it all. This is taking those
neighborhood zoning restrictions a bit too far. Obviously, the
neighbor has
too much time on their hands. Good luck getting it worked out Mike.
Jeff
I am so steamed right now, buried in my junk mail
I just found a letter
from the city of Orange where I live. (peoples republic of California)
Notice of violation and order to comply
* Storage of computer and parts in the residential area
Apparently some neighbor had a inspector come over and peek in my windows
last week, and sure enough I do have a few computers stacked around right
now. The gist of the complaint is that while I comply with all the noise,
parking, etc. they want me to have a "Home Occupation Business
License"
and
restrict my storage to 500 cubic feet in an
enclosed garage.
Now I guess I have to agree the home is occupied with computers, but my
first reaction is that it is strictly a hobby, no business
activity goes on
at all. Before I say anything though I am going to
go and read Orange
Municipal Code 17.14.050(H) in the morning.
I love the arrogance of these people too, giving me 14 days to comply. My
guess is that at best this will be a big PITA, since it kind of
hamstrings
>me, if I sell off a bunch of stuff, then I am a business, but if I don't
>then I may be looking at endless harassment. 
8:25 a.m.
You know they can't prove he ever got the letter
unless it was served or
sent (and signed for) by certified or registered mail.
My policy is polite, stupid, but persistent. I found the city municipal
code online last night and read all the sections, and even made a cross
reference seach. Home Occupation is defined as;
HOME OCCUPATION - Any accessory activity carried out for financial gain
which is conducted within a dwelling unit or an accessory structure to the
unit.
I may have had some visions of financial gain, but time has proven
otherwise. The irony here is that if I was selling a bunch of stuff I
wouldn't have stacks around the livingroom.
I'm giving myself about half a hour to settle down, then I call to see how
it will go. This isn't something that will get better on its own.
BTW I am fairly sure of what set this off. On 5/29 the condo association
board toured the complex and noted that my trash and recycle bins were
setting on my front porch (which isn't visible from the street) and four
computers were stacked on top of them. Three days later I get a "or else"
letter from the association, and now about a week later this letter from
city zoning. This is the part of being in a condo I hate, the mindless
petty rules.
For the curious the codes are all here, just do a search on home occupation
http://bpc.iserver.net/codes/orange/index.htm
4:04 a.m.
Geez...just when you think you've heard it all.
This is taking those
neighborhood zoning restrictions a bit too far. Obviously, the
neighbor has too much time on their hands.
Sounds like the neighbor has been invading his privacy by snooping around
himself... Gotta love people like that, with nothing better to do than
cause grief.
5:12 a.m.
There's a way to fix THAT particular problem... attack dogs.
Peace... Sridhar
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Lists wrote:
Geez...just when you think you've heard it
all. This is taking those
neighborhood zoning restrictions a bit too far. Obviously, the
neighbor has too much time on their hands.
Sounds like the neighbor has been invading his privacy by snooping around
himself... Gotta love people like that, with nothing better to do than
cause grief.
5:29 a.m.
and then end up with yet another, when the dogs are deemed a nuisance and
public threat by the same do-gooder neighbors and government. Moving sounds
like a better future venture - like somewhere at the base of Mt Shasta with
the whackos waiting for the arrival of the aliens.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Vance Dereksen
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 9:12 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Storage of computer and parts in the residential area
There's a way to fix THAT particular problem... attack dogs.
5:53 a.m.
I'd suspect that this is due to observability of "big iron" from some
vantage
point off the property. We've had annoying visits from city folks from time to
time, apparently resulting from what one neighbor or another can see from his
porch. My neighbor had a problem with his boat, which he parked in his front
yard where it's shaded from the sun, and which I certainly like with parking it
on the street. Someone didn't like that, however, and complained to the
authrorities. The result was that a notice was sent by the city, citing a
confusingly worded statute of which they included a relevant portion. It turns
out, however, that, though, on first reading, the statute suggests that it's
illegal to have anything at all anywhere on your property, what compliance with
the statute really requres is a substantial concrete or other "firmament" on
which to park the wheels of the trailer, which was easily solved by putting
three 1' x 2' paving blocks under the wheels.
I'd guess that there's a simple solution of that sort, if you allow cooler heads
(your own, after it cools off) to prevail.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russ Blakeman" <rhblake(a)bigfoot.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:29 AM
Subject: RE: Storage of computer and parts in the residential area
and then end up with yet another, when the dogs are
deemed a nuisance and
public threat by the same do-gooder neighbors and government. Moving sounds
like a better future venture - like somewhere at the base of Mt Shasta with
the whackos waiting for the arrival of the aliens.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Vance Dereksen
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 9:12 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Storage of computer and parts in the residential area
There's a way to fix THAT particular problem... attack dogs.
6:25 a.m.
I' surprised 1'x2' paving blocks under the wheels were allowed. I would
have thought that the whole area would have had to be done, under the
boat. I'm not gonna argue, However :-)
Reminds me, that I need to work on getting rid of a car in my folks yard
:-)
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
Richard Erlacher wrote:
I'd suspect that this is due to observability of "big iron" from some
vantage
point off the property. We've had annoying visits from city folks from time to
time, apparently resulting from what one neighbor or another can see from his
porch. My neighbor had a problem with his boat, which he parked in his front
yard where it's shaded from the sun, and which I certainly like with parking it
on the street. Someone didn't like that, however, and complained to the
authrorities. The result was that a notice was sent by the city, citing a
confusingly worded statute of which they included a relevant portion. It turns
out, however, that, though, on first reading, the statute suggests that it's
illegal to have anything at all anywhere on your property, what compliance with
the statute really requres is a substantial concrete or other "firmament" on
which to park the wheels of the trailer, which was easily solved by putting
three 1' x 2' paving blocks under the wheels.
I'd guess that there's a simple solution of that sort, if you allow cooler heads
(your own, after it cools off) to prevail.
Dick
1:07 p.m.
People routinely complain about rusting hulks of automobiles once destined for
"restoration" but really used for restoring something else. It's a real
sore
point in my neighborhood, but once the city knows it's (a) not a blatant health
risk, and (b) not a potential source of revenue, they generally let you get by
if you simply put a cover over each car. It's easier for the neighbors to
consider your "classic" car an item of value if you keep it covered. I guess
"out of sight, out of mind" applies.
Perhaps that same strategy could be applied to computer hardware.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Fernandez" <fernande(a)internet1.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: Storage of computer and parts in the residential area
I' surprised 1'x2' paving blocks under the
wheels were allowed. I would
have thought that the whole area would have had to be done, under the
boat. I'm not gonna argue, However :-)
Reminds me, that I need to work on getting rid of a car in my folks yard
:-)
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
Richard Erlacher wrote:
>
> I'd suspect that this is due to observability of "big iron" from some
vantage
> point off the property. We've had annoying
visits from city folks from time
to
> time, apparently resulting from what one neighbor
or another can see from
his
> porch. My neighbor had a problem with his boat,
which he parked in his
front
> yard where it's shaded from the sun, and
which I certainly like with parking
it
> on the street. Someone didn't like that,
however, and complained to the
> authrorities. The result was that a notice was sent by the city, citing a
> confusingly worded statute of which they included a relevant portion. It
turns
> out, however, that, though, on first reading, the
statute suggests that it's
> illegal to have anything at all anywhere on your property, what compliance
with
> the statute really requres is a substantial
concrete or other "firmament" on
> which to park the wheels of the trailer, which was easily solved by putting
> three 1' x 2' paving blocks under the wheels.
>
> I'd guess that there's a simple solution of that sort, if you allow cooler
heads
(your own,
after it cools off) to prevail.
Dick
9:07 a.m.
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Vance Dereksen wrote:
There's a way to fix THAT particular problem... attack dogs.
Peace... Sridhar
Peace? Nothing very peaceful about that :)
- don
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Lists wrote:
Geez...just when you think you've heard it
all. This is taking those
neighborhood zoning restrictions a bit too far. Obviously, the
neighbor has too much time on their hands.
Sounds like the neighbor has been invading his privacy by snooping around
himself... Gotta love people like that, with nothing better to do than
cause grief.
9:47 a.m.
Well, like nuclear weapons, attack dogs can be viewed as a deterrent 8;-)
(I was kidding, BTW)
Peace... Sridhar
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Don Maslin wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Vance Dereksen wrote:
There's a way to fix THAT particular problem... attack dogs.
Peace... Sridhar
Peace? Nothing very peaceful about that :)
- don
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Lists wrote:
Geez...just when you think you've heard it
all. This is taking those
neighborhood zoning restrictions a bit too far. Obviously, the
neighbor has too much time on their hands.
Sounds like the neighbor has been invading his privacy by snooping around
himself... Gotta love people like that, with nothing better to do than
cause grief.
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