16 Mar
1999
16 Mar
'99
10:53 a.m.
Well, I finally picked up that HP 85 today, it's in remarkably good
nick, the problem everyone here has mentioned about the rubber roller -
no problem, it's in perfect order (probably got something to do with
Tassie's frigid weather). Came with two cartridges plugged into the
back:
82903A 16k memory module
82936A rom drawer - on this, two "drawers" occupied - 0085-15004 MATRIX
& 0085-15-005 ADVANCED PGRM
Unfortunately, no tapes or manuals.... will see what I can find
manual-wise on the World Wide wait.
But can someone tell me what sort of tape the thing uses ?
And secondly, to ease my withdrawal symptoms having bought no Commodore
stuff for at least two weeks <grin> A Commodore PC5 (my first PC was
one of these), yet another 128D & three MPS 803 printers..... got my
Commie fix for the week, so I should be able to make it through until
next payday :-)
cheers,
Lance
16 Mar
16 Mar
4:52 a.m.
Lance,
At 04:53 PM 3/16/99 -0500, you wrote:
Well, I finally picked up that HP 85 today, it's
in remarkably good
nick, the problem everyone here has mentioned about the rubber roller -
no problem, it's in perfect order (probably got something to do with
Tassie's frigid weather). Came with two cartridges plugged into the
back:
82903A 16k memory module
82936A rom drawer - on this, two "drawers" occupied - 0085-15004 MATRIX
& 0085-15-005 ADVANCED PGRM
Unfortunately, no tapes or manuals.... will see what I can find
manual-wise on the World Wide wait.
Check www.ebbsoft.com.
But can someone tell me what sort of tape the thing uses ?
They're made for the old 3M DC-1000 tapes, DEC tapes work great.
Joe
10:40 a.m.
On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
Lance,
At 04:53 PM 3/16/99 -0500, you wrote:
Don't you mean 3M DC-100?
- don
Well, I finally picked up that HP 85 today,
it's in remarkably good
nick, the problem everyone here has mentioned about the rubber roller -
no problem, it's in perfect order (probably got something to do with
Tassie's frigid weather). Came with two cartridges plugged into the
back:
82903A 16k memory module
82936A rom drawer - on this, two "drawers" occupied - 0085-15004 MATRIX
& 0085-15-005 ADVANCED PGRM
Unfortunately, no tapes or manuals.... will see what I can find
manual-wise on the World Wide wait.
Check www.ebbsoft.com.
But can someone tell me what sort of tape the thing uses ?
They're made for the old 3M DC-1000 tapes, DEC tapes work great. Joe
11:50 a.m.
They're made for the old 3M DC-1000 tapes, DEC
tapes work great.
No, I've tried DECtapes. It takes a lot of force to get them into the
slot, and they don't seem to work. :-)
For the uninitiated, DECtapes are six-inch reels of 3/4 inch (?) tape.
I think Joe is saying that the 85 needs the same cartridge tapes as the DEC
TU58 "DECtape II" drive, as commonly found on the PDP-11/44, VAX-11/750, and
other early-80s DEC machines. Despite the moniker, there is almost nothing in
common between DECtape and DECtape II.
12:10 p.m.
On 16 Mar 1999, Eric Smith wrote:
Ummm... almost... four inch reels of 1 inch tape...
(I have a lot of them... and the drives... and the computers they run
on...) B^}
-jim
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They're
made for the old 3M DC-1000 tapes, DEC tapes work great.
No, I've tried DECtapes. It takes a lot of force to get them into the
slot, and they don't seem to work. :-)
For the uninitiated, DECtapes are six-inch reels of 3/4 inch (?) tape.
4:29 p.m.
At 10:50 PM 3/16/99 -0000, you wrote:
nothing in
They're
made for the old 3M DC-1000 tapes, DEC tapes work great.
No, I've tried DECtapes. It takes a lot of force to get them into the
slot, and they don't seem to work. :-)
For the uninitiated, DECtapes are six-inch reels of 3/4 inch (?) tape.
I think Joe is saying that the 85 needs the same cartridge tapes as the DEC
TU58 "DECtape II" drive, as commonly found on the PDP-11/44, VAX-11/750, and
other early-80s DEC machines. Despite the moniker, there is almost common between DECtape and DECtape II.
You may be right about the DEC stuff but the tapes that I have (about 20
of them) only say DECtape and they definitely fit the 9815, 9825, 9915, 85,
etc.
Joe
2:50 p.m.
In message <3.0.1.16.19990316212916.3bef20fe(a)intellistar.net>et>, Joe writes:
At 10:50 PM 3/16/99 -0000, you wrote:
nothing in
A couple of points:
On the almost nothing they have in common... Physically, they
don't, and they don't really have much in common in terms of the
tracks on the tape. But they've got a unique feature in common.
They are used in a way that are block addressable, like a disk.
In fact Thompson's first UNIX on the PDP-7 used the original
DECtape as it's primary storage.
On the use of DECtape IIs for the HP-85 and 9800 series... Please
don't. As much as I love my HPs, I desperately keep any DECtape IIs
I have for use with DEC stuff. The DECtape IIs are formatted at
the factory and I know of no way to format them with controllers
in the field. (I'd love to be proved wrong about that, BTW.) So
I (and I'm sure others) would be grateful if DECtape IIs could be
saved for use with TU-58s.
Brian L. Stuart
They're made for the old 3M DC-1000 tapes, DEC tapes work great.
No, I've tried DECtapes. It takes a lot of force to get them into the
slot, and they don't seem to work. :-)
For the uninitiated, DECtapes are six-inch reels of 3/4 inch (?) tape.
I think Joe is saying that the 85 needs the same cartridge tapes as the DEC
TU58 "DECtape II" drive, as commonly found on the PDP-11/44, VAX-11/750, and
other early-80s DEC machines. Despite the moniker, there is almost common between DECtape and DECtape II.
You may be right about the DEC stuff but the tapes that I have (about 20
of them) only say DECtape and they definitely fit the 9815, 9825, 9915, 85,
etc.
5:19 p.m.
At 07:50 PM 3/16/99 -0600, you wrote:
A couple of points:
On the almost nothing they have in common... Physically, they
don't, and they don't really have much in common in terms of the
tracks on the tape. But they've got a unique feature in common.
They are used in a way that are block addressable, like a disk.
In fact Thompson's first UNIX on the PDP-7 used the original
DECtape as it's primary storage.
On the use of DECtape IIs for the HP-85 and 9800 series... Please
don't. As much as I love my HPs, I desperately keep any DECtape IIs
I have for use with DEC stuff. The DECtape IIs are formatted at
the factory and I know of no way to format them with controllers
in the field. (I'd love to be proved wrong about that, BTW.) So
I (and I'm sure others) would be grateful if DECtape IIs could be
saved for use with TU-58s.
Brian,
I appreciate your feelings for the DECtapes but I offered them on this
list and no one was interested. FWIW the HP tapes suck! The media flakes
off of even the new ones. I never had that probelm with DECtapes.
Joe
5:45 p.m.
On 16 Mar 1999, Eric Smith wrote:
No, I've tried DECtapes. It takes a lot of force
to get them into the
slot, and they don't seem to work. :-)
You probably aren't usuing a large enough hammer....:)
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
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