Richard wrote: Hard to say. But, it's got a lot of the standard software, because it's unopened, and even has some software that's not commonly "out there" (Desktop Calendar) it will be worth more. It bothers me that the guy selling it doesn't list out all the software. Yeah, it's got Lisa 7/7, most Lisa auctions don't even include software, let alone unopened, but what else? There's two brown Apple boxes, I'd guess one of them is The Lisa 2 Owner's Guide. What's the other one? An older copy of 7/7 or something else? (the white ones are 3.0 or 3.1) It does bother me that he doesn't specifically say which items are opened and which aren't. That's worth knowing. It's got the 10M Widget drive, thus it's worth more, it's got the original mouse (as opposed to a Mac Plus mouse), normal yellowing, but it has something most ebay Lisa's don't have - the packaging box. I'd guess it'll go over $1K, maybe even $2K easily - especially seeing a bit of interest from overseas buyers. It's not a Lisa 1, so it's not exactly "super rare", but it does have a few bits of stuff to drive the price up pretty high. It doesn't have the dual parallel card, which, IMHO, I'd want. Those are useful for attaching external Profile HD's incase the internal Widget kicks the bucket. Being owned by apple, I wouldn't worry too much about in terms of adding value. Since it's a 2/10, it means it's got the 2/10 I/O board with a single IWM chip, and best of all, no NiCad batteries to leak. It might have issues due to the age, such as failing capacitors (not yet obviously) and the floppy drives can go bad (usually the grease solidifies.) What to bid? Depends, what can you afford and how badly do you want it. If you just want a Lisa for the lowest cost, consider another auction. As usual, it's worth what the highest bidder's willing to pay for it. I'd personally not bother with this one, it's got a lot of "rare" items which will drive the price up. But then again, that's because I would want a lower price, and already have two Lisa's, so I wouldn't be in the market for another. Personally, having the box it came with isn't that important, or unopened software, but apparently there are a lot of people for whom that is a big important deal, and they're apparently willing to pay for shipping across the ocean. :-) So you can expect this one to go quite high. Maybe not $4K, but at least $1K-$2K.

Wow! The economy must truly be Borked. Not long ago this could have been a $10,000 item. -- James - Certified autodidactic polymath and proud of it!