9 Sep
2003
9 Sep
'03
11:14 p.m.
I just found out that two of my magazine boxes were attacked by some damn
little wormy things. They were white and about a quarter inch in length.
They'd come up through a crack in the foundation of my warehouse and
started eating away at the file boxes. Fortunately, they seemed to like
the cardboard way more than the magazines, though they did take out
significant chunks of a couple issues of Kilobaud Computing from 1979
(bastards!) They also left a lot of wormy poop behind, and unless I'm
smelling the acid from the paper breaking down, they left a stink too.
Damn punk-ass bitch wormy things.
Has anyone else had issues like this? How did these fuckers find my boxes
out of all the damn cracks they could have crawled out of? What are they?
Termites?
Now I have to waste time filling in the cracks so this doesn't happen
again. I can't have gawd damn wormy things eating my damn computer stuff!
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10 Sep
10 Sep
1:11 a.m.
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
I just found out that two of my magazine boxes were
attacked by some damn
little wormy things. They were white and about a quarter inch in length.
Termites have legs. (At least every one I've seen did.)
Do these have legs? I've heard termites will eat paper/cardboard, so
I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they were termites.
You could stick the magazines in little plastic baggies, sorta like
what the comic book ppl do, and that'd keep bugs (and a number of other
things) away from the magazines.
YMMV, Std. Disclaimers apply. (Of course. :-) )
David
5:35 a.m.
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, David Holland wrote:
Termites have legs. (At least every one I've
seen did.)
Do these have legs? I've heard termites will eat paper/cardboard, so
I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they were termites.
I couldn't see clearly enough what I was looking at because there wasn't
good light between the stacks of boxes, and I was too tired to do much
investigating (this was very late last night). I just used my foot to
smear them into the pavement. But my impression was that they were worms
from the way they moved, though I'm not ruling out
the possibility that
they were termites.
You could stick the magazines in little plastic
baggies, sorta like
what the comic book ppl do, and that'd keep bugs (and a number of other
things) away from the magazines.
I'm very close to putting a lot of the magazines up on bookshelves, but I
just wanted to find out what was going on so I can take appropriate
remedial action so I don't have this problem in the future with other
materials.
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Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
I couldn't see clearly enough what I was looking at because there wasn't
good light between the stacks of boxes, and I was too tired to do much
investigating (this was very late last night). I just used my foot to
smear them into the pavement. But my impression was that they were worms
from the way they moved, though I'm not ruling out the possibility that
they were termites.
They sound like subterrainian termites. They have sometimes been
described as about the size of a grain of rice, and have "mud" tunnels
in the areas they are damaging. In my experience, they will tend to go
for the cardboard and softer woods. I had a number of books, magazines,
and docs destroyed by them a few years ago. I had a termite inspector
come in, and they were all over one side of the house. While the house
was also fumigated, some type of chemical was also put onto the ground
to discourage them. The best treatment I've heard was to make your house
unattractive to them so they will go after your neighbors house :).
7:10 a.m.
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Marvin Johnston wrote:
They sound like subterrainian termites. They have
sometimes been
described as about the size of a grain of rice, and have "mud" tunnels
in the areas they are damaging.
YES! Exactly!
In my experience, they will tend to go
for the cardboard and softer woods. I had a number of books, magazines,
and docs destroyed by them a few years ago. I had a termite inspector
come in, and they were all over one side of the house. While the house
was also fumigated, some type of chemical was also put onto the ground
to discourage them. The best treatment I've heard was to make your house
unattractive to them so they will go after your neighbors house :).
This is my landlord's problem. I'm sure other businesses in the complex
might be having similar problems.
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7:49 a.m.
there are new bait systems now for treatment, but one wonders if the
extermination companies really want to get rid of what they can charge you a
yearly maint. contract for.
Thanks!
Ed Sharpe Archivist for SMECC
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Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: Gawd damn bugs!
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Marvin Johnston wrote:
Festival
They sound like subterrainian termites. They have
sometimes been
described as about the size of a grain of rice, and have "mud" tunnels
in the areas they are damaging.
YES! Exactly!
In my experience, they will tend to go
for the cardboard and softer woods. I had a number of books, magazines,
and docs destroyed by them a few years ago. I had a termite inspector
come in, and they were all over one side of the house. While the house
was also fumigated, some type of chemical was also put onto the ground
to discourage them. The best treatment I've heard was to make your house
unattractive to them so they will go after your neighbors house :).
This is my landlord's problem. I'm sure other businesses in the complex
might be having similar problems.
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I have a couple of close friends in the exterminating business. Let me
tell you, there's NOTHING that's truely effective on termites anymore since
the EPA took Clorodane off the market. The replacement chemicals costs over
$80/gallon (wholesale!) and you have to use it full strength instead of
dilluting it. Even then it is marginal and the area has to be retreated
every two years.
Score another success for the bugs and the EPA!
Joe
At 10:40 AM 9/10/03 -0700, you wrote:
there are new bait systems now for treatment, but one
wonders if the
extermination companies really want to get rid of what they can charge you a
yearly maint. contract for.
Thanks!
Ed Sharpe Archivist for SMECC
See the Southwest Museum of Engineering, Communications and Computation
online at:
http://www.smecc.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: Gawd damn bugs!
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Marvin Johnston wrote:
Festival
They sound like subterrainian termites. They have
sometimes been
described as about the size of a grain of rice, and have "mud" tunnels
in the areas they are damaging.
YES! Exactly!
In my experience, they will tend to go
for the cardboard and softer woods. I had a number of books, magazines,
and docs destroyed by them a few years ago. I had a termite inspector
come in, and they were all over one side of the house. While the house
was also fumigated, some type of chemical was also put onto the ground
to discourage them. The best treatment I've heard was to make your house
unattractive to them so they will go after your neighbors house :).
This is my landlord's problem. I'm sure other businesses in the complex
might be having similar problems.
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4:47 p.m.
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Joe wrote:
I have a couple of close friends in the exterminating
business. Let me
tell you, there's NOTHING that's truely effective on termites anymore
since the EPA took Clorodane off the market. The replacement chemicals
costs over $80/gallon (wholesale!) and you have to use it full strength
instead of dilluting it. Even then it is marginal and the area has to be
retreated every two years.
Score another success for the bugs and the EPA!
And the lumber industry...gotta keep us buying more wood... Maybe the
lumber industry paid for the EPA studies? ;)
I think my next home will be made of concrete block.
-Toth
4:56 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tothwolf" <tothwolf(a)concentric.net>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: Gawd damn bugs!
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Joe wrote:
Dont worry when the fire ants make it to your side of the country you wont
be worried about termites anymore.
I have a couple of close friends in the
exterminating business. Let me
tell you, there's NOTHING that's truely effective on termites anymore
since the EPA took Clorodane off the market. The replacement chemicals
costs over $80/gallon (wholesale!) and you have to use it full strength
instead of dilluting it. Even then it is marginal and the area has to be
retreated every two years.
Score another success for the bugs and the EPA!
And the lumber industry...gotta keep us buying more wood... Maybe the
lumber industry paid for the EPA studies? ;)
I think my next home will be made of concrete block.
-Toth
11 Sep
11 Sep
3:53 a.m.
At 09:48 PM 9/10/03 -0400, you wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tothwolf" <tothwolf(a)concentric.net>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: Gawd damn bugs!
What do mean "when"? They've been here since the 60s at least. I gotta
say they sure named 'em right! Just step on a nest of them if you don't
know what I mean! We're just waiting for the killer bees now. We've had a
few colonies of them but so far they've managed to wipe them out as they
appeared. And don't forget the Mediterrranian Fruit Flies and all the
other "interesting" bugs that are appearing everyday.
Joe
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Joe wrote:
Dont worry when the fire ants make it to your side of the country you wont
be worried about termites anymore. I have a couple of close friends in the
exterminating business. Let me
tell you, there's NOTHING that's truely effective on termites anymore
since the EPA took Clorodane off the market. The replacement chemicals
costs over $80/gallon (wholesale!) and you have to use it full strength
instead of dilluting it. Even then it is marginal and the area has to be
retreated every two years.
Score another success for the bugs and the EPA!
And the lumber industry...gotta keep us buying more wood... Maybe the
lumber industry paid for the EPA studies? ;)
I think my next home will be made of concrete block.
-Toth 
4:03 a.m.
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Joe wrote:
bug reports [CC style]
Worms, termites, fire ants, crawling gizmos.... gawd, when will the
Americans learn that a house'd be better built on top of a concrete
slab, or concrete foundation, and then built up with stone?
SIWWY MEWICANS !
There. Yes. My place in the U.S. is also being crawled upon. Which
is why we're going to take it down, and rebuild Dutch-style....
["concrete inside, do not bite"]
Cheers,
Fred (bugfree, esp. after showering)
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7:26 a.m.
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Fred N. van Kempen wrote:
Worms, termites, fire ants, crawling gizmos.... gawd,
when will the
Americans learn that a house'd be better built on top of a concrete
slab, or concrete foundation, and then built up with stone?
Well, at least here in California, when a big earthquake hits you do not
want to be inside a concrete or stone box.
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8:26 a.m.
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Fred N. van Kempen wrote:
You dont want to be in any building when
that happens. Been there,
dunnit, tho that was a light one, fortunately..
--f
Worms, termites, fire ants, crawling gizmos....
gawd, when will the
Americans learn that a house'd be better built on top of a concrete
slab, or concrete foundation, and then built up with stone?
Well, at least here in California, when a big earthquake hits you do not
want to be inside a concrete or stone box.
8:46 a.m.
People living is deserts should not complain about the heat , lack of food
and lack of water.
People living at the base of an active volcano should not complain about
lava in their living rooms.
People who buy trailer homes and park them in tornado alley should not
complain when their homes are stuck up in a tree.
People who live next to a river the floods every year should not complain
when the water rises and floods their property.
People who live on a major fault line should not complain about an ocasional
earthquake.
You make choices in life that affect you down the road. You take your
chances and some gambles pay off , others dont. Having said that the part of
cali that broke off of another continent and is green is very nice to look
at (coastal part). The fault line that made all those scenic mountains
pretty is the same one that knocks your house over every 10 years.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred N. van Kempen" <waltje(a)pdp11.nl>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: Gawd damn bugs!
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Fred N. van Kempen wrote:
You dont want to be in any building
when that happens. Been there,
dunnit, tho that was a light one, fortunately..
--f Worms, termites, fire ants, crawling gizmos....
gawd, when will the
Americans learn that a house'd be better built on top of a concrete
slab, or concrete foundation, and then built up with stone?
Well, at least here in California, when a big earthquake hits you do not
want to be inside a concrete or stone box.
9:05 p.m.
actually ants are the termites worst enemy!
encourage ant colonies near termite infestations
< yes entomology is another interest of mine!>
Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC
Please check our web site at
http://www.smecc.org
to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we
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From: "Joe" <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: Gawd damn bugs!
At 09:48 PM 9/10/03 -0400, you wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tothwolf" <tothwolf(a)concentric.net>
>To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:58 PM
>Subject: Re: Gawd damn bugs!
>
>
>> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Joe wrote:
>>
>> > I have a couple of close friends in the exterminating business. Let
me
>> > tell you, there's NOTHING that's
truely effective on termites anymore
>> > since the EPA took Clorodane off the market. The replacement
chemicals
>> > costs over $80/gallon (wholesale!) and
you have to use it full
strength
>> > instead of dilluting it. Even then it is
marginal and the area has to
be
>> > retreated every two years.
>> >
>> > Score another success for the bugs and the EPA!
>>
>> And the lumber industry...gotta keep us buying more wood... Maybe the
>> lumber industry paid for the EPA studies? ;)
>>
>> I think my next home will be made of concrete block.
>>
>> -Toth
>
>Dont worry when the fire ants make it to your side of the country you
wont
be worried
about termites anymore.
What do mean "when"? They've been here since the 60s at least. I gotta
say they sure named 'em right! Just step on a nest of them if you don't
know what I mean! We're just waiting for the killer bees now. We've had a
few colonies of them but so far they've managed to wipe them out as they
appeared. And don't forget the Mediterrranian Fruit Flies and all the
other "interesting" bugs that are appearing everyday.
Joe
9:23 p.m.
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, ed sharpe wrote:
actually ants are the termites worst enemy!
encourage ant colonies near termite infestations
< yes entomology is another interest of mine!>
Great. Then what do you introduce to the ants when they start invading
your potato chips?
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12 Sep
4:36 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: Gawd damn bugs!
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, ed sharpe wrote:
Festival
I would rather have ants as a pest then termites eating my house away.
actually ants are the termites worst enemy!
encourage ant colonies near termite infestations
< yes entomology is another interest of mine!>
Great. Then what do you introduce to the ants when they start invading
your potato chips?
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6:19 a.m.
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, TeoZ wrote:
I would rather have ants as a pest then termites
eating my house away.
You haven't had ants like I've had ants.
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6:34 a.m.
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, TeoZ wrote:
I had the flash of a guy in a 10 gallon hat jutting out his chin and
tugging on his pants after delivering that line.
God, I _really_ need a vacation.
g.
I would rather have ants as a pest then termites
eating my house away.
You haven't had ants like I've had ants.
6:36 a.m.
I had a few of the larger black ones during the summer, nothing major just
annoying (you see maybe 1 crawling around a room)
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Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: Gawd damn bugs!
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, TeoZ wrote:
Festival
I would rather have ants as a pest then termites
eating my house away.
You haven't had ants like I've had ants.
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3:09 a.m.
At 10:49 PM 9/11/03 -0700, you wrote:
actually ants are the termites worst enemy!
encourage ant colonies near termite infestations
< yes entomology is another interest of mine!>
Oh great! I get a choice of something that eats my house or something
that eats me!
Joe
Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC
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From: "Joe" <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: Gawd damn bugs!
At 09:48 PM 9/10/03 -0400, you wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tothwolf" <tothwolf(a)concentric.net>
>To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:58 PM
>Subject: Re: Gawd damn bugs!
>
>
>> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Joe wrote:
>>
>> > I have a couple of close friends in the exterminating business. Let
me
>> > tell you, there's NOTHING
that's truely effective on termites anymore
>> > since the EPA took Clorodane off the market. The replacement
chemicals
>> > costs over $80/gallon (wholesale!)
and you have to use it full
strength
>> > instead of dilluting it. Even then
it is marginal and the area has to
be
>> > retreated every two years.
>> >
>> > Score another success for the bugs and the EPA!
>>
>> And the lumber industry...gotta keep us buying more wood... Maybe the
>> lumber industry paid for the EPA studies? ;)
>>
>> I think my next home will be made of concrete block.
>>
>> -Toth
>
>Dont worry when the fire ants make it to your side of the country you
wont
> >be worried about termites anymore.
>
> What do mean "when"? They've been here since the 60s at least. I
gotta
> say they sure named 'em right! Just step on a nest of them if you don't
> know what I mean! We're just waiting for the killer bees now. We've had a
> few colonies of them but so far they've managed to wipe them out as they
> appeared. And don't forget the Mediterrranian Fruit Flies and all the
> other "interesting" bugs that are appearing everyday.
>
> Joe
11 Sep
11 Sep
12:55 p.m.
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, TeoZ wrote:
From: "Tothwolf"
<tothwolf(a)concentric.net>
Hah! They are already here (Texas) and have been here for quite awhile. It
tends to be much easier to kill those bastards than termites...
-Toth
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Joe wrote:
Dont worry when the fire ants make it to your side of the country you
wont be worried about termites anymore. I have a couple of close friends in the
exterminating business. Let
me tell you, there's NOTHING that's truely effective on termites
anymore since the EPA took Clorodane off the market. The replacement
chemicals costs over $80/gallon (wholesale!) and you have to use it
full strength instead of dilluting it. Even then it is marginal and
the area has to be retreated every two years.
Score another success for the bugs and the EPA!
And the lumber industry...gotta keep us buying more wood... Maybe the
lumber industry paid for the EPA studies? ;)
I think my next home will be made of concrete block. 
10 Sep
10 Sep
2:45 a.m.
And thusly Vintage Computer Festival spake:
I just found out that two of my magazine boxes were attacked by some damn
little wormy things. They were white and about a quarter inch in length.
They'd come up through a crack in the foundation of my warehouse and
started eating away at the file boxes. Fortunately, they seemed to like
the cardboard way more than the magazines, though they did take out
significant chunks of a couple issues of Kilobaud Computing from 1979
(bastards!) They also left a lot of wormy poop behind, and unless I'm
smelling the acid from the paper breaking down, they left a stink too.
Damn punk-ass bitch wormy things.
Has anyone else had issues like this? How did these fuckers find my boxes
out of all the damn cracks they could have crawled out of? What are they?
Termites?
Now I have to waste time filling in the cracks so this doesn't happen
again. I can't have gawd damn wormy things eating my damn computer stuff!
It is ironic you posted this message on the anniversary of the first
computer bug...
Cheers,
Bryan
P.S. For more info check out
http://slashdot.org/articles/03/09/09/1631250.shtml?tid=126&tid=128
8:02 a.m.
It is ironic you posted this message on the
anniversary of the first
computer bug...
P.S. For more info check out
http://slashdot.org/articles/03/09/09/1631250.shtml?tid=126&tid=128
On a dial-up line, I do not have the time now to wait for that to finish
loading. (It's been at it for a while)
If you are referring to the much vaunted Grace Hopper story, it is FAR
from being the "FIRST".
Much as we like
to deify our cultural icons, the amusing entry was NOT the
first use of "bug". "Bug" to refer to a glitch was in common usage
in
Edison's time, and was used for negative things other than insects since
before Shakespeare.
The infamous log entry was simply saying basically, "Hey! THIS 'bug' was
really a real bug!" Humorous, but not historical.
It had nothing to do with the ORIGIN of "bug" as a term for a glitch.
http://www.maxmon.com/1945ad.htm
is one of MANY accounts debunking that particular urban legend.
4:24 a.m.
Dammed shame, man!
I've had paper that bugs, termites and moisture have gotten into. (Bugs
and moisture are a fact of life here in Florida!) I put some baking soda in
a large salt shaker and sprinkle it between all the pages. It helps dry out
the paper and get rid of the smell. Close the books up for a while with the
baking soda in it then open them later and shake the stuff out. It might
help neutralize the acidity too.
Joe
At 05:08 PM 9/9/03 -0700, you wrote:
I just found out that two of my magazine boxes were
attacked by some damn
little wormy things. They were white and about a quarter inch in length.
They'd come up through a crack in the foundation of my warehouse and
started eating away at the file boxes. Fortunately, they seemed to like
the cardboard way more than the magazines, though they did take out
significant chunks of a couple issues of Kilobaud Computing from 1979
(bastards!) They also left a lot of wormy poop behind, and unless I'm
smelling the acid from the paper breaking down, they left a stink too.
Damn punk-ass bitch wormy things.
Has anyone else had issues like this? How did these fuckers find my boxes
out of all the damn cracks they could have crawled out of? What are they?
Termites?
Now I have to waste time filling in the cracks so this doesn't happen
again. I can't have gawd damn wormy things eating my damn computer stuff!
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7:40 a.m.
Sellam Ismail wrote:
I just found out that two of my magazine boxes were
attacked by some damn
little wormy things.
That's part of why I try to store all my stuff in plastic Contico storage
containers (available at Costco) rather than boxes. They aren't airtight,
but they do make it a little harder for insects to find their way to the
paper.
I've been told by an archivist that you actually do NOT want to store
books and such in an airtight container. They need to breathe. I have
no idea why.
Eric
7:09 p.m.
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Eric Smith wrote:
That's part of why I try to store all my stuff in
plastic Contico storage
containers (available at Costco) rather than boxes. They aren't airtight,
but they do make it a little harder for insects to find their way to the
paper.
Speaking of which, I'm finally going to byte the bullet and take long
since administered advice from Frank McConnell to go this route. I
discovered that Orchard Supply Hardware will negotiate bulk sales of these
things if you're a business, so I'm going to purchase a minimum of 50
(perhaps as many as 100) to start storing all my kak.
I've been told by an archivist that you actually
do NOT want to store
books and such in an airtight container. They need to breathe. I have
no idea why.
All my books and magazines and manuals and software are finally going up
on my nice bookshelves. Pictures forthcoming once the transformation has
reached a satisfactory stage for public exposure.
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10:04 a.m.
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
I just found out that two of my magazine boxes were
attacked by some
damn little wormy things. They were white and about a quarter inch in
length. They'd come up through a crack in the foundation of my warehouse
and started eating away at the file boxes. Fortunately, they seemed to
like the cardboard way more than the magazines, though they did take out
significant chunks of a couple issues of Kilobaud Computing from 1979
(bastards!) They also left a lot of wormy poop behind, and unless I'm
smelling the acid from the paper breaking down, they left a stink too.
Damn punk-ass bitch wormy things.
Has anyone else had issues like this? How did these fuckers find my
boxes out of all the damn cracks they could have crawled out of? What
are they? Termites?
Now I have to waste time filling in the cracks so this doesn't happen
again. I can't have gawd damn wormy things eating my damn computer
stuff!
Ouch, termites...
I've had problems with some little silver looking bugs I was told were
'silverfish'. They eat *anything* that is paper, including but not limited
to; boxes, notebooks, and even the paper labels on pc boards and ICs! I'd
love to know of a way to get rid of them, but since my garage is not 100%
sealed, I dunno how effective anything would be.
-Toth
10:15 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tothwolf" <tothwolf(a)concentric.net>
To: "Classic Computers Mailing List" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: Gawd damn bugs!
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
I am sure there are alot of chemicals made from natural material that keep
bugs away (like citronella candles keep insects away at outdoor parties.
I just found out that two of my magazine boxes
were attacked by some
damn little wormy things. They were white and about a quarter inch in
length. They'd come up through a crack in the foundation of my warehouse
and started eating away at the file boxes. Fortunately, they seemed to
like the cardboard way more than the magazines, though they did take out
significant chunks of a couple issues of Kilobaud Computing from 1979
(bastards!) They also left a lot of wormy poop behind, and unless I'm
smelling the acid from the paper breaking down, they left a stink too.
Damn punk-ass bitch wormy things.
Has anyone else had issues like this? How did these fuckers find my
boxes out of all the damn cracks they could have crawled out of? What
are they? Termites?
Now I have to waste time filling in the cracks so this doesn't happen
again. I can't have gawd damn wormy things eating my damn computer
stuff!
Ouch, termites...
I've had problems with some little silver looking bugs I was told were
'silverfish'. They eat *anything* that is paper, including but not limited
to; boxes, notebooks, and even the paper labels on pc boards and ICs! I'd
love to know of a way to get rid of them, but since my garage is not 100%
sealed, I dunno how effective anything would be.
-Toth
11:02 a.m.
At 03:06 PM 9/10/03 -0400, you wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tothwolf" <tothwolf(a)concentric.net>
To: "Classic Computers Mailing List" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: Gawd damn bugs!
Ha!, ha!, ha!, ha! You want to come down here to Florida and prove it?
I have Citronella plants growing all around my house and they don't even
slow the bugs down. ditto marigolds, penny royal, etc. Furthermore the
termites only live in the ground or inside of mud tunnels that connect to
the ground. The only way to kill them is to saturate the ground with
pesticide BEFORE you built on it. You can built an airtight tent over a
house and fumigate it but that will only kill the bugs that are in the
house (and not even all of them). It won't touch the ones that in still in
the ground. As if things weren't bad enough, there's a new termite here in
Florida that I've been told came from Formosa. It can actually chew through
concrete to get to wood!
Joe
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Vintage Computer Festival
wrote:
I am sure there are alot of chemicals made from natural material that keep
bugs away (like citronella candles keep insects away at outdoor parties.
I just found out that two of my magazine boxes
were attacked by some
damn little wormy things. They were white and about a quarter inch in
length. They'd come up through a crack in the foundation of my warehouse
and started eating away at the file boxes. Fortunately, they seemed to
like the cardboard way more than the magazines, though they did take out
significant chunks of a couple issues of Kilobaud Computing from 1979
(bastards!) They also left a lot of wormy poop behind, and unless I'm
smelling the acid from the paper breaking down, they left a stink too.
Damn punk-ass bitch wormy things.
Has anyone else had issues like this? How did these fuckers find my
boxes out of all the damn cracks they could have crawled out of? What
are they? Termites?
Now I have to waste time filling in the cracks so this doesn't happen
again. I can't have gawd damn wormy things eating my damn computer
stuff!
Ouch, termites...
I've had problems with some little silver looking bugs I was told were
'silverfish'. They eat *anything* that is paper, including but not limited
to; boxes, notebooks, and even the paper labels on pc boards and ICs! I'd
love to know of a way to get rid of them, but since my garage is not 100%
sealed, I dunno how effective anything would be.
-Toth 
12 Sep
12 Sep
11:49 a.m.
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Mike Ford wrote:
For insects, you can use chili powder. They love to eat it, and the
capsaicin kills them.
Peace... Sridhar
I am sure there
are alot of chemicals made from natural material that
keep bugs away (like citronella candles keep insects away at outdoor
parties.
I dust with Boric Acid, and leave packets of poison bait; one for
rodents, one for insects.
10 Sep
10 Sep
7:13 p.m.
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Tothwolf wrote:
I've had problems with some little silver looking
bugs I was told were
'silverfish'. They eat *anything* that is paper, including but not limited
to; boxes, notebooks, and even the paper labels on pc boards and ICs! I'd
love to know of a way to get rid of them, but since my garage is not 100%
sealed, I dunno how effective anything would be.
Yeah, I saw one of those bastards roaming around my office as well, but I
don't think I successfully smushed it. I've heard that they eat paper too
but I haven't seen any damage in particular that I can attribute to one
(or a colony) of them.
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9:14 p.m.
silver fish enjoy moist air.....
anything that is incoming here at the museum gets either bagged and fumed
or is set out in the 115 degree heat. either way kills the little bastards,
Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC
Please check our web site at
http://www.smecc.org
to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we
buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us.
address:
coury house / smecc
5802 w palmaire ave
glendale az 85301
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com>
To: "Classic Computers Mailing List" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: Gawd damn bugs!
Festival
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Tothwolf wrote:
> I've had problems with some little silver looking bugs I was told were
> 'silverfish'. They eat *anything* that is paper, including but not
limited
> to; boxes, notebooks, and even the paper labels
on pc boards and ICs!
I'd
> love to know of a way to get rid of them, but
since my garage is not
100%
sealed, I
dunno how effective anything would be.
Yeah, I saw one of those bastards roaming around my office as well, but I
don't think I successfully smushed it. I've heard that they eat paper too
but I haven't seen any damage in particular that I can attribute to one
(or a colony) of them.
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11 Sep
11 Sep
12:53 p.m.
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Tothwolf wrote:
They move very fast, and seem to be very tough to kill. They really do eat
anything made of paper, and they can do major damage to stuff. Their
damage looks similar to what a common roach will do to paper.
If you see one, you probably have a good sized colony somewhere...
-Toth
I've had problems with some little silver
looking bugs I was told were
'silverfish'. They eat *anything* that is paper, including but not
limited to; boxes, notebooks, and even the paper labels on pc boards
and ICs! I'd love to know of a way to get rid of them, but since my
garage is not 100% sealed, I dunno how effective anything would be.
Yeah, I saw one of those bastards roaming around my office as well, but
I don't think I successfully smushed it. I've heard that they eat paper
too but I haven't seen any damage in particular that I can attribute to
one (or a colony) of them.
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