9 Jul
1999
9 Jul
'99
9:01 p.m.
Joe:
Whatta score, guy! Those are pretty rare, I don't think I've
ever actually seen on of these . . .
BTW, I'm sorry to have been out of communication with you--
I've been on the road for the past week, with at least one more
to go!
I've been trying to determine the interface of that 8" drive
of yours, and I have no proof, but by elimination, it's gotta
be an IPI-2 drive. Can't use it (dammit). These gigabyte+
SABER's are quite desirable; but I wouldn't be able to interface
it to anything :^(.
SO what have you been up to? I've been working 12hr days
trying to re-code this application I'm working on. How
about you?
Jeff
On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 21:57:53 Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> writes:
I got an e-mail recently from someone offering me an
Esco 31
survey
calculator. I'd never heard of one but I decided to take a chance and
bought it sight unseen. It came today. The seller forgot to mention
that
it said Tektronix on the back! Yeap, it's a rebadged Tektronix 31!
Does
anyone have some instructions for one? Does anyone know where to
find
tapes for these?
Joe
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10 Jul
10 Jul
9:13 a.m.
Jeff,
At 01:01 AM 7/10/99 -0500, you wrote:
Joe:
Whatta score, guy! Those are pretty rare,
You're telling me! That was the find of the summer! :-)
I don't think I've
ever actually seen on of these . . .
Me either. AFIK only Rick Bensene and one other guy have one. AFIK
they're EXTREMELY rare.
BTW, I'm sorry to have been out of communication with you--
I've been on the road for the past week, with at least one more
to go!
I've been trying to determine the interface of that 8" drive
of yours, and I have no proof, but by elimination, it's gotta
be an IPI-2 drive. Can't use it (dammit). These gigabyte+
SABER's are quite desirable; but I wouldn't be able to interface
it to anything :^(.
I've never heard of a IPI-2 interface. Any idea what kind of machine
uses them? If you can't use it, I'll go ahead and post it on the CC list.
Maybe someone there can use it.
BTW I picked up a NeXT Color inkjet printer. Any interest?
SO what have you been up to?
Nothing interesting. I found a HP 9830 (HUGE calculator) with an
attached 9866 printer and some of the accessories. I couldn't get it out
of the pallet so I have to go back for it but I did pull out some of the
little stuff. I got a big book of programming forms for the 9830, a QRG and
three brand new HP covers for it. There's also three HP 7906 disk drives
on the pallet. I think HP made an interface for the 9830 that would let it
use the 7906s but I'm not sure. I'm hoping that they are for the 9830 and
that I can get them and any other goodies. Are you interested in them if I
can't get them? I don't know the specs but thye look like they might be
removeable 14" platter drives. I have to go get my catalogs and look them
up. I'll try to let you know what I find out. I'm hoping they'll have the
stuff unpacked Monday and that I can go back and get it then. I want to get
it before everything gets sold, smashed, trashed or scattered.
I'm going out tonight to help shoot a fire-works show for the Boggy Creek
Gang. That's a camp for terminally ill children that Paul Newman owns.
Sounds like it'll be a great show.
I've been working 12hr days
trying to re-code this application I'm working on.
How
about you?
Still screwing around! :-)
Joe
Jeff
On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 21:57:53 Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> writes:
I got an e-mail recently from someone offering
me an Esco 31
survey
calculator. I'd never heard of one but I decided to take a chance and
bought it sight unseen. It came today. The seller forgot to mention
that
it said Tektronix on the back! Yeap, it's a rebadged Tektronix 31!
Does
anyone have some instructions for one? Does anyone know where to
find
tapes for these?
Joe
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2:17 p.m.
On Wed, 31 Dec 1969, Joe wrote:
I've never heard of a IPI-2 interface. Any idea
what kind of machine
uses them? If you can't use it, I'll go ahead and post it on the CC list.
Maybe someone there can use it.
IPI is an intelligent disk interface bus that was used on a few larger
systems such as high-end Sun servers. They sold a lot of 4/4xx and 4/6xx
machines with IPI disk controllers. They're quite intelligent (the Sun IPI
controller has a 68020 and a pile of RAM on it) and very, very fast. Seagate,
I believe, is still making IPI drives...or if they've discontinued them, it had
to have been fairly recently.
The oldest IPI drive I've seen is the CDC Sabre, an 8" 1.2gb drive which was
available in either SMD or IPI. The newest one was just recently...a 5.25" FH
Seagate 4.3gb IPI drive. I've got access to 24 of those and I'm still toying
with the idea of picking them up and building a big array on a couple of Sun
IPI controllers with a 4/600 with a pair of 150MHz HyperSPARCs on it. That'd
make a kickass file server. But, as with many things, lack of free time will
probably prevent me from doing so. Sigh.
-Dave McGuire
11 Jul
11 Jul
12:16 p.m.
New subject: IPI drive was Re: New toy!!!
At 07:17 PM 7/10/99 -0400, Dave wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 1969, Joe wrote:
Seagate,
I've never heard of a IPI-2 interface. Any
idea what kind of machine
uses them? If you can't use it, I'll go ahead and post it on the CC list.
Maybe someone there can use it.
IPI is an intelligent disk interface bus that was used on a few larger
systems such as high-end Sun servers. They sold a lot of 4/4xx and 4/6xx
machines with IPI disk controllers. They're quite intelligent (the Sun IPI
controller has a 68020 and a pile of RAM on it) and very, very fast. I believe, is still making IPI drives...or if
they've discontinued them,
it had
to have been fairly recently.
The oldest IPI drive I've seen is the CDC Sabre, an 8" 1.2gb drive which
was
available in either SMD or IPI. The newest one was
just recently...a
5.25" FH
Seagate 4.3gb IPI drive. I've got access to 24 of
those and I'm still toying
with the idea of picking them up and building a big array on a couple of Sun
IPI controllers with a 4/600 with a pair of 150MHz HyperSPARCs on it. That'd
make a kickass file server. But, as with many things, lack of free time will
probably prevent me from doing so. Sigh.
Dave,
It's a Seagate Sabre Module Assembly and it is an 8" drive. The label
on it says that it has 1230 Mb capacity. The part number that's on it is
92006821 but I couln't find any Sabre model with a model number like that.
Do you need it? It's big and it's heavy! About 5 x 8 x 14" and about 32 lbs.
Joe
11:57 a.m.
New subject: IPI drive was Re: New toy!!!
On Sun, 11 Jul 1999, you wrote:
Dave,
It's a Seagate Sabre Module Assembly and it is an 8" drive. The label
on it says that it has 1230 Mb capacity. The part number that's on it is
92006821 but I couln't find any Sabre model with a model number like that.
Do you need it? It's big and it's heavy! About 5 x 8 x 14" and about 32 lbs.
Joe
Nope, no thanks...I've got a couple of them already, and about ten of the SMD
version of it as well. Thanks anyway, though.
-Dave McGuire
12 Jul
12 Jul
9:16 a.m.
New subject: Last call on MassPar, HP3000, etc.
A couple of people have talked to me about the MassPar and HP3000, but so
far nobody has taken any steps to acquire them. If they last another 10
days "intact" I will be surprized. Both are located in the SoCal area, and
both could be removed with a small truck (with a lift gate) and a couple
hundred (or so) bucks. The HP though has a good twenty 18" cube boxes of
manuals which will be a load in themselves.
One of the salvage places near me in SoCal picked up a load from SeaGate,
mostly it is the worst junk, cases of Seagate backup CDs, bits of
production overruns, but I did notice a box of drive exercisers (most
likely tape drives, ala something close to 8 mm tapes are around too, 600
mb I think). Interest?
Same place has two or three of those huge old plotters, calcomp and HP I think.
11:21 a.m.
New subject: Last call on MassPar, HP3000, etc.
A couple of people have talked to me about the MassPar
and HP3000, but so
far nobody has taken any steps to acquire them. If they last another 10
days "intact" I will be surprized. Both are located in the SoCal area, and
both could be removed with a small truck (with a lift gate) and a couple
hundred (or so) bucks. The HP though has a good twenty 18" cube boxes of
manuals which will be a load in themselves.
Is there any chance someone could save at least some of the MassPas boards?
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
5:26 p.m.
New subject: Last call on MassPar, HP3000, etc.
A couple of
people have talked to me about the MassPar and HP3000, but so
far nobody has taken any steps to acquire them. If they last another 10
days "intact" I will be surprized. Both are located in the SoCal area, and
both could be removed with a small truck (with a lift gate) and a couple
hundred (or so) bucks. The HP though has a good twenty 18" cube boxes of
manuals which will be a load in themselves.
Is there any chance someone could save at least some of the MassPas boards?
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org 
10 Jul
10 Jul
5:57 p.m.
New subject: TEK 31 was: Re: New toy!!!
Upon the date 01:13 PM 7/10/99 +0000, Joe said something like:
[thread in regard to Joe's Esco 31, aka TEK 31]
Jeff,
At 01:01 AM 7/10/99 -0500, you wrote:
I'm that 'other guy' :) The speculation that these are 'extremely'
rare
could be right on the money but until we beat the bushes enough to know for
sure I defer use of that modifier 'EXTREMELY' to the background. My sense
is that this type of tool was not used by the 'normal' high end scientific
calculator user, except maybe occasionally in a university math/science
department, but rather by folks who needed a machine/test station
controller with fancy calculating ability. Other high end electronic
calculators typically from HP, Olivetti, Friden, Wang, etc. were more
popular it seems. I would imagine not a whole heap of TEK 31's were sold
(cost vs. utility?) and those that were may have been scrapped with the
equipment they were built into or otherwise attached to. Or else something
broke on them (tape drive my first guess.)
I have only one tape which came with the unit. I could not find any others
in that old warehouse owned by the machine tool dealer I got it from. Could
have been buried under that pidgeon poop spread all over the place. Ugh!
Seems the building became a giant pidgeon coop because of several broken
windows on that floor. The dealer had bid on and won a very large group of
machine tools, process equipment, electronic test equipment, furniture and
fixtures from the IBM-Endicott plant which 'severely downsized' around
1984. I got a bunch of HP, Tektronix and miscellaneous test equipment plus
my TEK 31 for cheap from them. Still have most of the gear. Most of the
poop has been scraped off ;) Anyway, I would be interested in getting one
or more extra tapes for my unit as the one I've got looks rather 'well used'.
Regards, Chris
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Joe:
Whatta score, guy! Those are pretty rare,
You're telling me! That was the find of the summer! :-)
I don't think I've
ever actually seen on of these . . .
Me either. AFIK only Rick Bensene and one other guy have one. AFIK
they're EXTREMELY rare.
11 Jul
11 Jul
8:43 a.m.
New subject: TEK 31 was: Re: New toy!!!
Christian,
At 10:57 PM 7/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
Upon the date 01:13 PM 7/10/99 +0000, Joe said
something like:
[thread in regard to Joe's Esco 31, aka TEK 31]
Lucky you! Actually I just found out that two other list members also
have one each. Looks like a total of five now.
The speculation that these are 'extremely' rare
Jeff,
At 01:01 AM 7/10/99 -0500, you wrote:
I'm that 'other guy' :) Joe:
Whatta score, guy! Those are pretty rare,
You're telling me! That was the find of the summer! :-)
I don't think I've
ever actually seen on of these . . .
Me either. AFIK only Rick Bensene and one other guy have one. AFIK
they're EXTREMELY rare. could be right on the money but until we beat the
bushes enough to know for
sure I defer use of that modifier 'EXTREMELY' to the background. My sense
is that this type of tool was not used by the 'normal' high end scientific
calculator user, except maybe occasionally in a university math/science
department, but rather by folks who needed a machine/test station
controller with fancy calculating ability.
Very true. HP specialized in test equipment and developed the computers
many as controllers and was moderately successfull. Tek tried to do the
same thing but was no where near as sucessfull from what I've seen. All
the Tektronix computers and calculators (4051, 4051, 31, 903, etc) are very
rare.
Other high end electronic
calculators typically from HP, Olivetti, Friden, Wang,
etc. were more
popular it seems. I would imagine not a whole heap of TEK 31's were sold
(cost vs. utility?) and those that were may have been scrapped with the
equipment they were built into or otherwise attached to. Or else something
broke on them (tape drive my first guess.)
I have only one tape which came with the unit. I could not find any others
in that old warehouse owned by the machine tool dealer I got it from. Could
have been buried under that pidgeon poop spread all over the place. Ugh!
Seems the building became a giant pidgeon coop because of several broken
windows on that floor. The dealer had bid on and won a very large group of
machine tools, process equipment, electronic test equipment, furniture and
fixtures from the IBM-Endicott plant which 'severely downsized' around
1984. I got a bunch of HP, Tektronix and miscellaneous test equipment plus
my TEK 31 for cheap from them. Still have most of the gear. Most of the
poop has been scraped off ;) Anyway, I would be interested in getting one
or more extra tapes for my unit as the one I've got looks rather 'well used'.
Regards, Chris
I don't have any tapes, just pictures.
Joe
14 Jul
14 Jul
9:33 a.m.
New subject: TEK 31 was: Re: New toy!!!
[thread in regard to Joe's Esco 31, aka TEK 31]
>>Joe:
>>Whatta score, guy! Those are pretty rare,
> You're telling me! That was the find of the summer! :-)
>I don't think I've
>>ever actually seen on of these . . .
> Me either. AFIK only Rick Bensene and one other guy have one. AFIK
>they're EXTREMELY rare.
I'm that 'other guy' :)
It seems that you are 'the other guy' on a lot of realy
nice stuff (BTW: Servus Christian).
The speculation that these are 'extremely'
rare
could be right on the money but until we beat the bushes enough to know for
sure I defer use of that modifier 'EXTREMELY' to the background. My sense
is that this type of tool was not used by the 'normal' high end scientific
calculator user, except maybe occasionally in a university math/science
department, but rather by folks who needed a machine/test station
controller with fancy calculating ability. Other high end electronic
calculators typically from HP, Olivetti, Friden, Wang, etc. were more
popular it seems. I would imagine not a whole heap of TEK 31's were sold
(cost vs. utility?) and those that were may have been scrapped with the
equipment they were built into or otherwise attached to. Or else something
broke on them (tape drive my first guess.)
Sounds reasonable, as always, rare is relative - I assume,
for most devices, only those who have been manufactured only
within less than 500 pcs are realy rare - or a find with any
old stuff originaly packed :)
I have only one tape which came with the unit.
Anyway, I would be interested in getting one
or more extra tapes for my unit as the one I've got looks rather 'well used'.
As Sellam already said - if there are duplicates within
our box, or empty tapes, they are available for trade.
In fact I have no idea whats on (it looks like some kind
of audio analysis stuff), but I just don't want to loose
any one of the programms.
And for the ride to VCF, why don't you east coast guys
join and buy some kind of group ticket for plane or
Amtrak ? Or jut rent a Van ? 3 days driving (lets make
this 5 days, including some dumpsters to dive :), great
talks _and_ enough space for the 'small' findings at VCF...
Servus
Hans
BTW: Sallam, did you pick up the other EQ ?
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9:29 a.m.
New subject: TEK 31 was: Re: New toy!!!
Upon the date 06:34 PM 7/14/99 +0001, Hans Franke said something like:
(Ya, Servus Hans! Vie gehts?)
Well, you are also 'the other guy' based on several items I had seen last
year when you and Christine stopped by our house on the way to California
(and VCF).
This could be a good definition to begin on. But, even then, many, many
other additional factors and opinions can come into play on defining
'rare'. So I just don't worry about it. Let's just say that I'm
thankful I
do have some 'rather uncommon' computers, radios, TVs and books in my
collections.
> [thread in regard to Joe's Esco 31, aka TEK
31]
--snip --
> Me
either. AFIK only Rick Bensene and one other guy have one. AFIK
>they're EXTREMELY rare.
I'm that 'other guy' :)
It seems that you are 'the other guy' on a lot of realy
nice stuff (BTW: Servus Christian). The speculation that these are
'extremely' rare
could be right on the money but until we beat the bushes enough to know for
sure I defer use of that modifier 'EXTREMELY' to the background. My sense
is that this type of tool was not used by the 'normal' high end scientific
calculator user, except maybe occasionally in a university math/science
department, but rather by folks who needed a machine/test station
controller with fancy calculating ability. Other high end electronic
calculators typically from HP, Olivetti, Friden, Wang, etc. were more
popular it seems. I would imagine not a whole heap of TEK 31's were sold
(cost vs. utility?) and those that were may have been scrapped with the
equipment they were built into or otherwise attached to. Or else something
broke on them (tape drive my first guess.)
Sounds reasonable, as always, rare is relative - I assume,
for most devices, only those who have been manufactured only
within less than 500 pcs are realy rare - or a find with any
old stuff originaly packed :)
> I have only one tape which came with the unit.
> Anyway, I would be interested in getting one
> or more extra tapes for my unit as the one I've got looks rather 'well
used'.
As Sellam already said - if there are duplicates within
our box, or empty tapes, they are available for trade.
In fact I have no idea whats on (it looks like some kind
of audio analysis stuff), but I just don't want to loose
any one of the programms.
Yes, existing programs are very important to preserve in this case. I just
had only one on my tape which I printed out. Just by seeing the program
source I got many insights into how to do _some_ programming without having
a manual. Your programs, by their quantity, may have many other methods and
syntactical suggestions which will help us understand more fully the
language the Tek 31's use. Depends upon the original programmer and how
resourceful he/she was.
And for the ride to VCF, why don't you east coast guys
join and buy some kind of group ticket for plane or
Amtrak ? Or jut rent a Van ? 3 days driving (lets make
this 5 days, including some dumpsters to dive :), great
talks _and_ enough space for the 'small' findings at VCF...
I would certainly consider coming but only if I get a decent paying job.
Still none to find yet in this backwater town. I'm working on alternative
carreer(s) at the moment.
Regards, Chris
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12:23 p.m.
New subject: TEK 31 was: Re: New toy!!!
well, for anyone interested:
i came across a nice web-site with a bunch of old computers. The owner, John Davin
(anyone know this guy?) is selling all of his stuff. He, too, has a
grey(off-white?) Tek31 on there. Also on his list are a big blue Intel computer
(no name on site) some old Heathkit items and many others (about 85 total). his
site is here: http://205.217.140.132:80/pcmuseum/
Its a pretty interesting site, not too much information about the computers but
nice pictures.
rob
Hans Franke wrote:
[thread in
regard to Joe's Esco 31, aka TEK 31]
>>Joe:
>>Whatta score, guy! Those are pretty rare,
> You're telling me! That was the find of the summer! :-)
>I don't think I've
>>ever actually seen on of these . . .
> Me either. AFIK only Rick Bensene and one other guy have one. AFIK
>they're EXTREMELY rare.
I'm that 'other guy' :)
It seems that you are 'the other guy' on a lot of realy
nice stuff (BTW: Servus Christian).
The speculation that these are
'extremely' rare
could be right on the money but until we beat the bushes enough to know for
sure I defer use of that modifier 'EXTREMELY' to the background. My sense
is that this type of tool was not used by the 'normal' high end scientific
calculator user, except maybe occasionally in a university math/science
department, but rather by folks who needed a machine/test station
controller with fancy calculating ability. Other high end electronic
calculators typically from HP, Olivetti, Friden, Wang, etc. were more
popular it seems. I would imagine not a whole heap of TEK 31's were sold
(cost vs. utility?) and those that were may have been scrapped with the
equipment they were built into or otherwise attached to. Or else something
broke on them (tape drive my first guess.)
Sounds reasonable, as always, rare is relative - I assume,
for most devices, only those who have been manufactured only
within less than 500 pcs are realy rare - or a find with any
old stuff originaly packed :)
I have only one tape which came with the unit.
Anyway, I would be interested in getting one
or more extra tapes for my unit as the one I've got looks rather 'well used'.
As Sellam already said - if there are duplicates within
our box, or empty tapes, they are available for trade.
In fact I have no idea whats on (it looks like some kind
of audio analysis stuff), but I just don't want to loose
any one of the programms.
And for the ride to VCF, why don't you east coast guys
join and buy some kind of group ticket for plane or
Amtrak ? Or jut rent a Van ? 3 days driving (lets make
this 5 days, including some dumpsters to dive :), great
talks _and_ enough space for the 'small' findings at VCF...
Servus
Hans
BTW: Sallam, did you pick up the other EQ ?
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2:54 p.m.
New subject: TEK 31 was: Re: New toy!!!
i came across a nice web-site with a bunch of old computers. The owner,
John Davin (anyone know this guy?) is selling all of his stuff. He,
too, has a grey(off-white?) Tek31 on there. Also on his list are a big
blue Intel computer (no name on site) some old Heathkit items and many
others (about 85 total). his site is here:
http://205.217.140.132:80/pcmuseum/
Its a pretty interesting site, not too much information about the
computers but nice pictures.
Yep. But his absurd claims of 'first this, and first that' are sure
annoying. "First modem" indeed, prototype modem indeed... Or first
computer after the first one type arguments.. I bet this guy could make
a Mac Plus sound like it was the first computer Apple ever made...
-Lawrence LeMay
3:09 p.m.
New subject: TEK 31 was: Re: New toy!!!
I contacted him about buying a few of his computers, he said he wants to sell
them all at once. He also said that he had a buyer but the deal fell
through. He, in my opinion, was asking way too much for his collection. But
i don't know too much about the older computers he has, as most of you know,
but i think you will all agree that about $25k is a bit much.
Anyone know what the blue Intel computer is?
rob
Lawrence LeMay wrote:
i came across a nice web-site with a bunch of old computers. The owner,
John Davin (anyone know this guy?) is selling all of his stuff. He,
too, has a grey(off-white?) Tek31 on there. Also on his list are a big
blue Intel computer (no name on site) some old Heathkit items and many
others (about 85 total). his site is here:
http://205.217.140.132:80/pcmuseum/
Its a pretty interesting site, not too much information about the
computers but nice pictures.
Yep. But his absurd claims of 'first this, and first that' are sure
annoying. "First modem" indeed, prototype modem indeed... Or first
computer after the first one type arguments.. I bet this guy could make
a Mac Plus sound like it was the first computer Apple ever made...
-Lawrence LeMay 
15 Jul
15 Jul
5:11 a.m.
New subject: TEK 31 was: Re: New toy!!!
I contacted him about buying a few of his computers,
he said he wants to sell
them all at once. He also said that he had a buyer but the deal fell
through. He, in my opinion, was asking way too much for his collection. But
i don't know too much about the older computers he has, as most of you know,
but i think you will all agree that about $25k is a bit much.
Well some nice parts (viewed from over here), but all in all maybe
2 to 4K when sold on eBay (possibly more if he uses a lot of this
'First xxx' descriptors).
Anyone know what the blue Intel computer is?
An ordinary MDS ? looks like at least.
Gruss
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4:18 a.m.
New subject: VCF Re: TEK 31 was: Re: New toy!!!
At 06:34 PM 7/14/99 +1, Hans wrote:
And for the ride to VCF, why don't you east coast
guys
join and buy some kind of group ticket for plane or
Amtrak ? Or jut rent a Van ? 3 days driving (lets make
this 5 days, including some dumpsters to dive :), great
talks _and_ enough space for the 'small' findings at VCF...
That's a good idea but we're too far apart. I think Christian is in up
state NY and I'm in central Florida so we're nearly as far apart as it is
from here to VCF. At moment I'm saving my money to
go to a conference in
Portland at the end of August and I can't afford both
trips.
Joe
5:24 a.m.
New subject: VCF Re: TEK 31 was: Re: New toy!!!
Upon the date 08:18 AM 7/15/99 +0000, Joe said something like:
At 06:34 PM 7/14/99 +1, Hans wrote:
Yes, this is exactly the point that should have been raised first. We are
spread far and wide it seems. Kevin Stumf is about the closest to me as far
as the folks on this list whom I know their hometowns. He's over in
Kitchener, ON and that's about 3 hours drive. Another fellow on the list
(who's a relatively infrequent poster here and forgot his name [sorry!!])
lives east of here in Ithaca and that's about 3.5 hours away. Pittsburgh is
3 hours too. There're several close together around Boston region though.
Everybody else of us Easterners are farther yet from me so it truly is more
difficult to keep personal contact unlike some of you Westerners who seem
to be pocketed in SoCal, NoCal, OR, WA. This is a big continent for sure.
We can just visit by "computer" I guess.
Regards from the backwaters, Chris
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And for the ride to VCF, why don't you east
coast guys
join and buy some kind of group ticket for plane or
Amtrak ? Or jut rent a Van ? 3 days driving (lets make
this 5 days, including some dumpsters to dive :), great
talks _and_ enough space for the 'small' findings at VCF...
That's a good idea but we're too far apart. I think Christian is in up
state NY and I'm in central Florida so we're nearly as far apart as it is
from here to VCF. At moment I'm saving my money to go to a conference in
Portland at the end of August and I can't afford both trips. 
5:24 p.m.
New subject: VCF Re: TEK 31 was: Re: New toy!!!
On Thu, 15 Jul 1999, Christian Fandt wrote:
We can just visit by "computer" I guess.
Actually, that might be literallly true, as I'm looking into the
possibility of web-casting the talks this year :)
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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5:18 p.m.
New subject: VCF Re: TEK 31 was: Re: New toy!!!
On Thu, 15 Jul 1999, Joe wrote:
That's a good idea but we're too far apart.
I think Christian is in up
state NY and I'm in central Florida so we're nearly as far apart as it is
from here to VCF. At moment I'm saving my money to go to a conference in
Portland at the end of August and I can't afford both trips.
I guess you'll just have to skip the conference in Portland.
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