12 Sep
2005
12 Sep
'05
7:06 p.m.
Hello all,
My latest "refocusing" of the collection is on IBM PC hardware
(PC/XT/AT, original IBM cards, peripherals, etc.) and on software IBM
sold for the PC line. In line with this, I'm also very interested in
any technical manuals IBM produced.
So far my meager technical manual collection is:
1. Guide to operations (PC, XT, AT)
2. Technical Reference (XT, AT)
3. Hardware Maintenance and Service (XT, AT)
All of the above are originals, and the AT Maintenance set includes
diagnostics from 1.01 to 1.05 along with loopback testers, and what
looks like a 10-BASE2 terminator (or maybe Arcnet??).
I'd like to get:
1. Technical Reference (PC)
2. Hardware Maintenance and Service (PC)
Original, copies, or scans will do ...
Also, I'm wondering what other technical manuals exist. I know there
is an "options and adapters" series, but what else is there?
Oh, and if anyone is junking a PC-1 (black power supply, 16-64KB
motherboard), I'll take it :-)
Thanks for pointers,
Rich B.
12 Sep
12 Sep
3:18 p.m.
At 03:06 PM 9/12/05 -0400, you wrote:
Hello all,
My latest "refocusing" of the collection is on IBM PC hardware
(PC/XT/AT, original IBM cards, peripherals, etc.) and on software IBM
sold for the PC line. In line with this, I'm also very interested in
any technical manuals IBM produced.
So far my meager technical manual collection is:
1. Guide to operations (PC, XT, AT)
2. Technical Reference (XT, AT)
3. Hardware Maintenance and Service (XT, AT)
All of the above are originals, and the AT Maintenance set includes
diagnostics from 1.01 to 1.05 along with loopback testers, and what
looks like a 10-BASE2 terminator (or maybe Arcnet??).
I'd like to get:
1. Technical Reference (PC)
2. Hardware Maintenance and Service (PC)
Original, copies, or scans will do ...
Also, I'm wondering what other technical manuals exist. I know there
is an "options and adapters" series, but what else is there?
FYI I have one new package here and it's binder is marked "IBM Personal
System/2 Hardware Maintenance Service". It includes two plastic sealed
packs of pages ~1/4" thick. One has the same name but it's number is
80x0880. The 2nd pack isn't titled but the top page is titled "Hard Tab
Installation". It's number is 80x0882. There's also a 3.5" disk in the
binder that's titled IBM Personal System/2 Model 50/60 Reference Diskette.
PN 15F1045. The binder is marked 68X2222 and S68X-2222-00.
I have others but they're all packed away.
Oh, and if anyone is junking a PC-1 (black power supply, 16-64KB
motherboard), I'll take it :-)
Those are getting VERY hard to find around here. I picked up a nice one
about 3 years ago and found a beat up one about a year ago (rescued for
parts) but those are the only ones that I've seen in about 4 or 5 years.
However I did find three IBM marked FH Tandon TM-100 5 1/4" disk drives
last week :-)
Joe
Thanks for pointers,
Rich B.
11:36 a.m.
At 10:54 PM 9/12/05 -0400, you wrote:
Joe R. wrote:
They're not special, just scarce. Especially if you're trying to restore
an IBM PC that's been upgraded with HH drives or if your original drives
are damaged. Believe it or not, the original PC stuff is getting HARD to
find and the original drives and expansion cards were the first to be
replaced and lost.
Joe
I think my TRS-80 Model III has two of them. I
However I did find three IBM marked FH Tandon
TM-100 5 1/4" disk drives
last week :-)
Are those special? scrounged them about 20 years ago... They were double
sided after all.
Joe
-chuck
7:29 p.m.
Joe R. wrote:
AFAIK there is nothing electrically or mechanically special about them,
apart from the faceplate.
So whether there's anything special about them to you depends on whether
you care about having that faceplate...
-tony
However I did find three IBM marked FH Tandon
TM-100 5 1/4" disk drives
last week :-)
Are those special? I think my TRS-80 Model III has two of them. I
scrounged them about 20 years ago... They were double sided after all. 
8:36 p.m.
On 9/13/05, Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
AFAIK there is nothing electrically or mechanically special about them,
apart from the faceplate.
For those that are considering moving floppy drives from one machine
to another, just remember that there are single and double-sided
versions of the TM-100 (various models from the TM-100-1 through the
TM-100-4). As long as you match up the model numbers (the TM-100-2A
is probably what you want for an ancient PC), the logo on the face
plate has no influence on what the controller does to the drive (i.e.
- there are _no_ electronic differences between an IBM-badged TM-100
and the same drive with a plain faceplate).
I only say that because I've seen single-sided TM-100s (TM-100-1A) in
CP/M machines. They should work with an IBM 5150 PC, but, naturally,
only as single-sided drives, at a nominal 180K under DOS 2.1 and newer
(9 sectors per track vs 8 sector "160K" disks in the earliest
examples).
-ethan
-ethan
However I did find three IBM marked FH Tandon TM-100 5
1/4" disk drives
last week :-)
Are those special? I think my TRS-80 Model III has two of them. 
11:26 p.m.
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:36:56 -0400
Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/13/05, Tony Duell <ard at
p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
AFAIK there is nothing electrically or mechanically special about
them, apart from the faceplate.
For those that are considering moving floppy drives from one machine
to another, just remember that there are single and double-sided
versions of the TM-100 (various models from the TM-100-1 through the
TM-100-4). As long as you match up the model numbers (the TM-100-2A
is probably what you want for an ancient PC), the logo on the face
plate has no influence on what the controller does to the drive (i.e.
- there are _no_ electronic differences between an IBM-badged TM-100
and the same drive with a plain faceplate).
I only say that because I've seen single-sided TM-100s (TM-100-1A) in
CP/M machines. They should work with an IBM 5150 PC, but, naturally,
only as single-sided drives, at a nominal 180K under DOS 2.1 and newer
(9 sectors per track vs 8 sector "160K" disks in the earliest
examples).
Yes but then you can notch your diskettes and flip them.
However I did find three IBM marked FH Tandon TM-100 5
1/4" disk
drives last week :-)
Are those special? I think my TRS-80 Model III has two of them. 
14 Sep
14 Sep
12:29 a.m.
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Scott Stevens wrote:
Yes but then you can notch your diskettes and flip
them.
On the PC, "notching" is not enough.
You also need to punch a hole on each side og the jacket to
permit seeing the index hole. Fortunately, there were jigs
(Berkeley Microcomputer "Flip-Jig", etc.) available to make
it easier.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
2:50 a.m.
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:29:23 -0700 (PDT)
Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Scott Stevens wrote:
That's right. I immediately started having second thoughts about the
index hole after posting that comment. I never actually needed to
'notch' an IBM PC Diskette. By the time I switched over to the PC from
TRS-80 and CP/M, 360K floppy drives were commodity and 'cheap' (I paid
$80 apiece for my first PC drives).
Yes but then you can notch your diskettes and
flip them.
On the PC, "notching" is not enough.
You also need to punch a hole on each side og the jacket to
permit seeing the index hole. Fortunately, there were jigs
(Berkeley Microcomputer "Flip-Jig", etc.) available to make
it easier.
13 Sep
13 Sep
11:33 p.m.
I only say that because I've seen single-sided
TM-100s (TM-100-1A) in
CP/M machines. They should work with an IBM 5150 PC, but, naturally,
only as single-sided drives, at a nominal 180K under DOS 2.1 and newer
(9 sectors per track vs 8 sector "160K" disks in the earliest
examples).
Presumably there were single-sided TM-100s with the IBM logo on the
faceplate (IIRC the original PC drive _was_ 160K/180K -- i.e.
single-sided). I asusme somebody has managed to rescue one...
-tony
11:24 p.m.
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:54:31 -0400
"Charles H. Dickman" <chd_1 at nktelco.net> wrote:
Joe R. wrote:
Back then I had to upgrade my dad's PC-1 to double sided so he could run
DOS 2.1.
He ordered his with 256K so he was ready for any eventuality, he
thought. Also then later had to add a Boca RAM board.
However I did find three IBM marked FH Tandon
TM-100 5 1/4" disk
drives last week :-)
Are those special? I think my TRS-80 Model III has two of them. I
scrounged them about 20 years ago... They were double sided after
all.
Joe
-chuck
12 Sep
12 Sep
11:12 p.m.
Hello all,
My latest "refocusing" of the collection is on IBM PC hardware
(PC/XT/AT, original IBM cards, peripherals, etc.) and on software IBM
sold for the PC line. In line with this, I'm also very interested in
any technical manuals IBM produced.
So far my meager technical manual collection is:
1. Guide to operations (PC, XT, AT)
2. Technical Reference (XT, AT)
3. Hardware Maintenance and Service (XT, AT)
All of the above are originals, and the AT Maintenance set includes
diagnostics from 1.01 to 1.05 along with loopback testers, and what
looks like a 10-BASE2 terminator (or maybe Arcnet??).
I'd like to get:
1. Technical Reference (PC)
2. Hardware Maintenance and Service (PC)
Original, copies, or scans will do ...
Also, I'm wondering what other technical manuals exist. I know there
is an "options and adapters" series, but what else is there?
Ones that I know exist (these are not the official titles, I can get
those if you need them):
PC TechReF
PC/XT and Portable TechRef
PC/AT TechRef
All those existed in at least 2 version : Early ones had information on
the expansion cards, later ones only had information on the motherboard,
PSU, keyboard. The expansion card info got moved to the Options and
Adapters TechRefs
Early PC/AT TechRefs cover the 6MHz system only using those 128K
'piggyback' RRAMs (2 64 K bit chips with strange pinouts soldered together),
later ones also cover the later mainboard using 256K DRAMs, and the 8MHz
clock version
PC/jr TechRef. I've never seen this without the peripheral information
included.
Options and Adapters TechRef. The 'base version' of this is 2 binders. It
contains info on the 8-bit I/O stuff only -- the expansion unit,
expansion cards, monitors, drives, printers, etc.
There's a suplement for the AT expansion cards (combined serial/parallel
card, combined floppy/hard disk controller, 16 bit memory expansion
cards, etc)
There are many more suplements for later add-ons. One particuarly
complete one is the EGA technical reference.
Scientific Options and Adapters TechRef. Covers the Professional Graphics
controller, GPIB card, Data Acquisition card.
There must have been a TechRef for the XT/286, it's about the only one I
am missing.
PS/2 Hardware Interface TechRef. This is a pale shadow of the earlier
ones. No scehamtics, no BIOS source. But better than nothing.
There will have been HMS manuals for all the PC family machines. I can't
see the use of them -- the information _I_ need to fix the machine is in
the TechRef.
-tony
11:22 p.m.
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:06:08 -0400
Richard Beaudry <richard.beaudry at gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,
My latest "refocusing" of the collection is on IBM PC hardware
(PC/XT/AT, original IBM cards, peripherals, etc.) and on software IBM
sold for the PC line. In line with this, I'm also very interested in
any technical manuals IBM produced.
So far my meager technical manual collection is:
1. Guide to operations (PC, XT, AT)
2. Technical Reference (XT, AT)
3. Hardware Maintenance and Service (XT, AT)
All of the above are originals, and the AT Maintenance set includes
diagnostics from 1.01 to 1.05 along with loopback testers, and what
looks like a 10-BASE2 terminator (or maybe Arcnet??).
I'd like to get:
1. Technical Reference (PC)
2. Hardware Maintenance and Service (PC)
Original, copies, or scans will do ...
Also, I'm wondering what other technical manuals exist. I know there
is an "options and adapters" series, but what else is there?
There is the 'IBM Industrial Computer' technical reference manual set.
It's in an 8-1/2" x 11" looseleaf binder. The Industrial Computer was
essentially a PC-XT in a rackmount industrial case. So the techref
details include schematics of all the standard XT components. There was
a pile of Industrial PC techref sets at a surplus store I used to visit
in the late 80's, that is where I got mine. I guarantee they aren't
there any longer.
Also, the early Compaq manuals are worth gathering up. I have the
Compaq Deskpro 386 manual, which is of historical significance because
the Compaq 386 came out before IBM made a 386 machine (people more
expert than me can correct me on this if I am wrong)
I have the IBM PC-1 era Technical Reference Manual, which my father
ordered when he bought 'the whole package' of the IBM PC and pretty much
everything for it at the launch of the PC-1, at the IBM Employee's
discount.
Sadly, there was an era in the past where I got involved in a strong
conflict with a landlord over all my 'junk' when I ceased to own the
whole PC-1 itself. One of my bigger regrets with regard to collected
hardware is that I no longer have that machine. Now I have far less
worthy machines all over this (owned, not rented) house taking up much
more space than that system.
Oh, and if anyone is junking a PC-1 (black power
supply, 16-64KB
motherboard), I'll take it :-)
*sigh*
15 Sep
15 Sep
8:37 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Beaudry [mailto:richard.beaudry at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 3:06 PM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Looking for IBM PC/XT/AT technical references
Hello all,
My latest "refocusing" of the collection is on IBM PC hardware
(PC/XT/AT, original IBM cards, peripherals, etc.) and on software IBM
sold for the PC line. In line with this, I'm also very interested in
any technical manuals IBM produced.
Is there any particular types of sofrtware that you are interested in or is
it just the tech stuff? I have a couple of games and some other productivity
stuff they sold for the PC XT back in the day (Pre-AT)under their Badge
complete with Binders and Manuals and Media. For instance, I have an
original set for IBM's PC Storyboard. This was a precursor to programs like
PowerPoint and I used it back in 1986 or so to make "Multimedia"
Presentations before Multimedia was a buzzword lol. It could use graphics
and text and had several transitional wipes for moving from slide to slide
and such. I believe it was a CGA only program even with the "full" 4 color
pallette. lol
Greg Manuel
www.gmconsulting.net
So far my meager technical manual collection is:
1. Guide to operations (PC, XT, AT)
2. Technical Reference (XT, AT)
3. Hardware Maintenance and Service (XT, AT)
All of the above are originals, and the AT Maintenance set includes
diagnostics from 1.01 to 1.05 along with loopback testers, and what
looks like a 10-BASE2 terminator (or maybe Arcnet??).
I'd like to get:
1. Technical Reference (PC)
2. Hardware Maintenance and Service (PC)
Original, copies, or scans will do ...
Also, I'm wondering what other technical manuals exist. I know there
is an "options and adapters" series, but what else is there?
Oh, and if anyone is junking a PC-1 (black power supply, 16-64KB
motherboard), I'll take it :-)
Thanks for pointers,
Rich B.
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12:55 p.m.
On 9/15/05, GManuel (GMC) <gmanuel at gmconsulting.net> wrote:
Is there any particular types of software that you are interested in or is
it just the tech stuff?
Anything in the typical IBM binder with the IBM logo on it.
I have Writing Assistant, Filing Assistant, Planning Assistant,
Display Graphics, Storyboard, etc. I also have a general accounting
package, BASIC compiler (2.00 I think), DisplayWrite, some games, some
teaching tools (as in things a teacher would use in class to help the
kids), EZ-VU development and Runtime, TopView, several DOS versions,
and more...
I also just picked up ImagEdit, which could hook up to one of IBM's
scanners, and scan pictures in. It was also a general-purpose image
editor, although not as complete as today's :-)
I'm looking for Logo and an Assembler, if anyone's feeling generous :-)
Rich B.
27 Sep
27 Sep
7:48 p.m.
Richard Beaudry wrote:
I also just picked up ImagEdit, which could hook up to
one of IBM's
scanners, and scan pictures in. It was also a general-purpose image
editor, although not as complete as today's :-)
I have their Handwriting Assistant -- I believe it hooked up to said scanner
and attempted to OCR handwriting. Still shrinkwrapped.
--
Jim Leonard (trixter at oldskool.org) http://www.oldskool.org/
Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/
Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/
7:47 p.m.
GManuel (GMC) wrote:
and such. I believe it was a CGA only program even with the "full" 4 color
pallette. lol
Later version supported EGA :-)
--
Jim Leonard (trixter at oldskool.org) http://www.oldskool.org/
Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/
Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/
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