17 Nov
2000
17 Nov
'00
1:17 p.m.
Jarkko Hermanni Teppo <jate(a)uwasa.fi> wrote:
I have a couple of HP related questions. I started
thinking about these
while I was scanning all the 9000/500 docs that I have and in HP 27110B
HP-IB card manuals I saw a sentence similar to this "..supported in all
HP computers with CIO bus..".
1. Which machines had the CIO bus ? I know of 9K/550, 520 and at least some
version of the bus in some 800-series machines.
Some (earlier) HP 3000 series 900s too. Of course they are similar hardware
to 9000/800s. If Stan Sieler is reading he can probably say more about this.
2. I know about 200/300/400/500/700/800-series but
what is 9000/600 which
I've seen in a couple of manuals.
I don't remember but think they are PA-RISC-based. I don't remember seeing
much about the series 600s so I suspect it was a marketing thing that didn't
last real long.
3. Is the HP 7970 tape drive vacuum column or one of
these newer streaming
devices (like the 7974A).
None of the above. It's older, non-streaming, and it uses tension arms.
And extra bonus-points for the person who recognizes
the app in the cover
of the HP 9000 550 manual at
http://www.tec.puv.fi/~s99137/kuvat/cover.gif
No idea, but it's interesting to see that the 9000/550 also had the
number 9050.
And a couple of low-quality "recognize the
peripheral"-pics at:
http://www.tec.puv.fi/~s99137/kuvat/uudet/ (none of those are mine, btw.)
Particularly cipher.jpg, HP2000[12].jpg, nauha.jpg, hp3kcons.jpg.
hp20001.jpg is an HP 2114 minicomputer.
hp20002.jpg is a 21MX mini of some sort. I'm away from my manuals so
can't easily tell which series.
hp3kcons.jpg pictures an HP 2647F that was sold with an HP 3000 series
64/68/70 for use as its console. I'm thinking that for about the first year
of shipments of the 3000/64, the 2647F did not have the "hp3000" plate
on the front, just the usual 2647F plate.
--
Jarkko Teppo | Lahjoita HP 7933:n levypakka hyv??n kotiin!
ObUglyAmerican: what are you saying about the 7933?
When I first saw one, in 1982, I thought "wow, it's so big!". Imagine
my surprise when a new cow-orker saw a 7935 at Wollongong in 1995 or
so and said about the same thing. I had been thinking about the
capacity: 404MB was pretty impressive for a washing-machine drive back
in 1982. He was clearly thinking about the size, and comparing it
with 540MB drives then popular in desktop Wintel PCs.
-Frank McConnell
19 Nov
19 Nov
9 p.m.
On Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 04:17:34PM -0800, Frank McConnell wrote:
"Donate HP 7933 disk platters to a good home". The drive I have is
a bit picky, sometimes it comes up and sometimes it just gives up in the
spin-up phase. It also has some bad blocks, I think. I did have a lot of
fun hauling it, as I normally get a lot of help when loading the stuff but
as usual I was unloading it alone (not the lack of friends, but the lack
of a big truck. I had a 7933, 7935, two 550's and all this with
a Toyota Carina II). When I was unloading it with the help of some
improvised ramps it suddenly decided to run over my toes. I don't remember
the weight of the 7933 but it is between 150 and 200 kg (I think).
So, I've been trying to get "new" disk platters or a complete drive but
they're pretty hard to come by. And I'm *not* going to ship one from the
USA:=)
Oh yes, you can see a lot of 7925's (which are similar to 7933) in
Terminator 2 at the place that was blown up (Cyberdyne ?).
--
Jarkko Teppo | Lahjoita HP 7933:n levypakka hyv??n kotiin!
jate(a)uwasa.fi |
:wq! |
None of the above. It's older, non-streaming, and it uses tension arms.
Okay, actually the 7974 uses tension arms too, I just got mine
running (at least to the point of loading the tape).
No idea, but it's interesting to see that the 9000/550 also had the
number 9050.
Yep, it "simplifies" web searches, 9000/550, 9050, 9000 Series 500 etc..
I'm trying to scan most of the docs that I have an Apple Scanner I bought
for $2 recently. I just have to figure out a way to get from
tiffs -> single page postscript -> multipage PS -> PDF. Adobe
Acrobat does this automatically but I don't have the money to buy it
for that purpose alone. I'm currently stuck on the single page-> multipage
conversion:)
hp20001.jpg is an HP 2114 minicomputer.
hp20002.jpg is a 21MX mini of some sort. I'm away from my manuals so
can't easily tell which series.
hp3kcons.jpg pictures an HP 2647F that was sold with an HP 3000 series
64/68/70 for use as its console. I'm thinking that for about the first year
of shipments of the 3000/64, the 2647F did not have the "hp3000" plate
on the front, just the usual 2647F plate.
Thanks for the info! I was given a really brief tour (a couple of hours) and
these guys had *so* much stuff! The one in ibmhex.jpg was recognized as an
IBM 3850 Mass Storage System.
I really ought to get started on the 3000-series.
--
Jarkko Teppo | Lahjoita HP 7933:n levypakka hyv??n kotiin!
ObUglyAmerican: what are you saying about the 7933?
When I first saw one, in 1982, I thought "wow, it's so big!". Imagine
my surprise when a new cow-orker saw a 7935 at Wollongong in 1995 or
so and said about the same thing. I had been thinking about the
capacity: 404MB was pretty impressive for a washing-machine drive back
in 1982. He was clearly thinking about the size, and comparing it
with 540MB drives then popular in desktop Wintel PCs. 
21 Nov
21 Nov
7:16 a.m.
Answers:
3. Is the HP 7970 tape drive vacuum column or one of
these newer streaming
devices (like the 7974A).
the 7970 came in a fair number of varieties... the
7970E drives I've worked
with are battleships - they just keep working.
hp20001.jpg is an HP 2114 minicomputer.
Yup, I
concur
hp20002.jpg is a 21MX mini of some sort. I'm away
from my manuals so
can't easily tell which series.
This is a 21MX M/E/F series... I can tell it's the short, not tall cassis,
thus it's either a 2108 or 2109 and not a 2112 or 2113. Assuming the color
of the picture is true, I would say it's a 2109, as the 2108's had a
bluish/grey tint rather than a brownish/yellow tint. However, it appears the
front panel keyswitch is not just a lock, but has electrical connections
(ie. it has a run, standby, Reset position)... those were the M series...
so - 2108M would be my guess if the color isn't accurate, otherwise its a
2109 but that isn't the right keyswitch for one of those.
Jay West
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