24 Jun
1998
24 Jun
'98
9:03 a.m.
This is roundabout. I work at an ISP. I have to figure out how to work
a Macintosh, so as to explain to customers how to set theirs up. This
sounds reasonable - so the salesguy produces a Mac SE. Unfortunately, it
has no mouse or keyboard. SO I go about looking around. Can't afford $90
for a mouse and keyboard that the only-Mac-shop-in-town has, so I go looking
for used stuff. I turn up a Macintosh 512K (Sadly abused. The people
KEPT IT IN THE GARAGE SO TI WOULDN'T GIVE THEIR VCR A COMPUTER VIRUS.)
Unfortunately, it is also missing the keyboard and mouse.
So, how easy is it to crock up a keyboard and mouse for either machine?
Can I modify IBM gear to fit the bill?
As for the virus bit, that is 100% true! Their frind told them it could
spread thru the power lines. :)
More information on either box would be appreciated...
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24 Jun
24 Jun
10:33 a.m.
So, how easy is it to crock up a keyboard and mouse
for either machine?
Can I modify IBM gear to fit the bill?
The 512K uses an older mouse that is internally compatible with a PC
bus mouse or an Amiga mouse, just one button. I do not know the pinout
of the Mac, but it should be a trivial exercise to build a pin swabber.
You could build a pin swabber for an Amiga mouse with two 9-25 pin
adapters and a 25 pin "user configurable" plug box (two connectors,
a circuit board, a bunch of jumper wires, all the size of a large
null modem enclosure). The keyboard is Mac proprietary.
The SE, as another poster pointed out, used ADB. There are clone mice
and keyboards about, but you'll drop as much as the SE is worth trying
to pick up a new mouse and keyboard for it.
The SE can go to 4Mb, take an internal 3.5" SCSI drive (but non-apple
drives need third-party formatters), and is somewhat useful. The 512K
can take some snap-in accessories (I have a Dove board w/512K and SCSI),
but they are rare now. Oh, only some 512K's (512Ke) have double-sided
drives. Few SE's have FDHD drives (1.44Mb).
Enjoy,
-ethan
1:38 p.m.
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11:36 a.m.
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:38:41 +0100 (BST)
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell)
To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers"
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Macintoshes...
>
>
> > So, how easy is it to crock up a keyboard and mouse for either machine?
> > Can I modify IBM gear to fit the bill?
>
> The 512K uses an older mouse that is internally compatible with a PC
> bus mouse or an Amiga mouse, just one button. I do not know the pinout
useful
info on hacking regular bus mouses for older 9 pin
mouse on mac machine snipped!
Yes, it's _strange_. 4 wires, +5V, Data, Clock, Ground. The mac end uses
the shift register in a 6522, the keyboard end uses a microcontroller
(8021?). Given a keyboard the protocol is probably hackable with a logic
analyser (future project?),
-tony
Tony,
You Should.
Why? Suppose, Every time a user have problem with their keyboard or
needs longer keyboard wire, finds a telephone wire and plugs in,
power up...
POW!
Dead keyboard controller IC in keyboard. No where to obtain but I
could be mistaken.
I think better off digging out that info on that programming and
recreate a new adapter using a PIC or easier to obtain
microcontroller IC.
Jason D.
email: jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca
Pero, Jason D.
10:39 a.m.
This is roundabout. I work at an ISP. I have to
figure out how to work a
Macintosh, so as to explain to customers how to set theirs up. This
sounds reasonable - so the salesguy produces a Mac SE. Unfortunately, it
has no mouse or keyboard. SO I go about looking around. Can't afford $90
for a mouse and keyboard that the only-Mac-shop-in-town has, so I go
looking for used stuff. I turn up a Macintosh 512K (Sadly abused. The
people KEPT IT IN THE GARAGE SO TI WOULDN'T GIVE THEIR VCR A COMPUTER
VIRUS.) Unfortunately, it is also missing the keyboard and mouse.
So, how easy is it to crock up a keyboard and mouse for either machine?
Can I modify IBM gear to fit the bill?
As for the virus bit, that is 100% true! Their frind told them it could
spread thru the power lines. :)
More information on either box would be appreciated...
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As many have said, you need adb for the SE. One thing to consider is finding
someone who is selling/giving away their SE. Often times you can buy a
complete SE with kb and mouse for cheaper than buying the kb and mouse
seperately!
You might try your local Goodwill for the kb and mouse for the 512K. If you still
have problems finding them, let me know, I have spares.
George
1:33 p.m.
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