6 Aug
2004
6 Aug
'04
2:16 p.m.
Jay and others -- last year I stayed at the Comfort Inn, at 1561 West El Camino
Real, in Mountain View. It wasn't exactly luxorius (no restaurant, though
there are a million places to eat on El Camino), but it was cheap, had
high-speed Internet, and was very convenient to the CHM (where VCF is).
My favorite amenity: there is a movie-theatre style hot popcorn machine in the
lobby, and the popcorn is free.
Of course if Sellam gets us a discount rate at a Marriott, such as at VCF East,
I imagine that would be much nicer than the Comfort Inn...
6 Aug
6 Aug
3:51 p.m.
Rumor has it that evan may have mentioned these words:
[snip]
Of course if Sellam gets us a discount rate at a Marriott, such as at VCF
East,
I imagine that would be much nicer than the Comfort Inn...
I certainly mean no disrespect to Sellam, as he did a fantastic job on VCF
East 2.0 {despite... ahhh... "familial difficulties" to attend more} but
the $69/nite pay-in-advance deal actually wasn't part of the deal Sellam
brokered with them. (Or, I suppose more accurately -- wasn't any more of a
deal than what they offer themselves...)
AAMAF, the conversation I had with them when I reserved my room was a bit
odd -- for 5 minutes of discussion, the lady would *not* take my
reservation for more than Friday & Saturday nite at the ($69/nite) VCF
rate, which I would have had to pay in advance with a credit card, so when
I finally asked what other deals they had which would cover Thursday &
Sunday nite as well, she told me that I was eligible for another deal as
long as I prepay with a credit card -- $69/nite.
Methinks she was trying to get me to acquiesce and get a "non-deal" room
rate, until I asked "just the right question."
If there is a Marriott nearby, they may offer the same deal... can't hurt
to call & ask!
I can say that VCFEast 2.0 was my "last hurrah" for a while (according to
my checkbook, at least) so VCF West is certainly out of the question...
However, I noticed that Sellam has worked out a VCF Italia 1.0, which makes
me beg the question: When is VCF Canada 1.0? -- As long as it's in Ontario
there's a good chance I could make that... and if it's close enough, heck,
maybe I could help organize and/or help... Ottawa is touch far, but Toronto
or Hamilton are within an 8-10 hour drive... ;-)
Just a (probably bad) thought... hehehe ;-)
Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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11:24 p.m.
On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Roger Merchberger wrote:
I certainly mean no disrespect to Sellam, as he did a
fantastic job on VCF
East 2.0 {despite... ahhh... "familial difficulties" to attend more} but
the $69/nite pay-in-advance deal actually wasn't part of the deal Sellam
brokered with them. (Or, I suppose more accurately -- wasn't any more of a
deal than what they offer themselves...)
Tis true. I contracted for the standard group rate, but was also told
about the $69 "pay-in-advance" rate, which I also mentioned on the VCF
East lodging page. That was definitely the deal to go with if you knew
you were coming for sure.
Methinks she was trying to get me to acquiesce and get
a "non-deal" room
rate, until I asked "just the right question."
You definitely have to ask for it.
If there is a Marriott nearby, they may offer the same
deal... can't hurt
to call & ask!
I think the rate might be higher, but I'll check. I ended up staying at
the Marriott and can say I have never stayed in a nicer hotel room. The
bed was amazing, the internet access was awesome (or seemed like it
was...I didn't bring a laptop with me) and everything all around was just
great.
I can say that VCFEast 2.0 was my "last
hurrah" for a while (according to
my checkbook, at least) so VCF West is certainly out of the question...
However, I noticed that Sellam has worked out a VCF Italia 1.0, which makes
me beg the question: When is VCF Canada 1.0? -- As long as it's in Ontario
there's a good chance I could make that... and if it's close enough, heck,
maybe I could help organize and/or help... Ottawa is touch far, but Toronto
or Hamilton are within an 8-10 hour drive... ;-)
We'll see. We'd need a local coordinator :)
BTW, with regards to VCF East, I never got to ask: where the hell was
everyone on Saturday??
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7 Aug
7 Aug
11:44 a.m.
BTW, with regards to VCF East, I never got to ask:
where
the hell was everyone on Saturday??
Personally, my car developed a potentially serious coolant problem.
Sorry I missed Bob Supnik, who said he was coming back, and
Evan, and Fred. Still about 11 great hours were had. Thanks again.
John A.
8:41 a.m.
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:30:51 -0400 (EDT), der Mouse
<mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca> wrote:
Any plans for VCF UK ?
Dan
When is VCF
Canada 1.0?
I'd like to know too! Especially if it's out Ontario/Qu?bec way.
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12:10 p.m.
On Sun, 8 Aug 2004, Dan Kolb wrote:
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 06:41:40PM +0100, Dan Williams
wrote:
Every year. Like clockwork.
The next one is April 30-May 1 in Munich.
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Any plans for VCF UK ?
VCF UK would be an excellent idea! :) Is there another VCF Europe being
planned at all?
11:52 a.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004, Dan Williams wrote:
Any plans for VCF UK ?
Eventually. I was speaking with some folks at Bletchly Park a few years
ago but that never went anywhere.
Perhaps we can try again?
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12 Aug
10:15 a.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Vintage
Computer Festival
Sent: 08 August 2004 21:53
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
Eventually. I was speaking with some folks at Bletchly Park
a few years ago but that never went anywhere.
Perhaps we can try again?
Not with Bletchley, they don't have the facilities and aside from the
volunteers I suspect they don't have the interest either. I don't know
what your budget is but the Fairfield Halls in Croydon, London was where
we had the CGE-UK the other week and that was a good venue for VCF type
events.
Cheers
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13 Aug
13 Aug
1:21 a.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
Witchy wrote:
Not with Bletchley, they don't have the facilities
and aside from the
volunteers I suspect they don't have the interest either.
How about the new computer museum at Swindon?
http://www.digitalhistory.org.uk/index.php
I don't know
what your budget is but the Fairfield Halls in Croydon, London was where
we had the CGE-UK the other week and that was a good venue for VCF type
events.
I mentioned the VCF to my old PhD supervisor at the University of the
West of England (in Bristol) and he was keen on the idea. He even
suggested the use of UWE facilities for such an event. But we don't
have a great deal of genuine home-grown computer heritage here,
apart from INMOS. We do have a Concorde museum opening in the
next week or two, though.
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1:53 a.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of John Honniball
Sent: 13 August 2004 11:21
To: General(a)encke.easily.co.uk;
Discussion@encke.easily.co.uk:On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
Witchy wrote:
Problem there is it's not really a museum, more an offshoot of the Uni
of Bath's library, so if the library ain't open you can't get in. They
do have a fairly large hall there though, which may be suitable. They
also have a PR company, which is something Bletchley could do with!
Not with Bletchley, they don't have the
facilities and
aside from the
volunteers I suspect they don't have the
interest either.
How about the new computer museum at Swindon?
http://www.digitalhistory.org.uk/index.php here, apart from INMOS. We do have a Concorde museum
opening in the
next week or two,
though.
I'll definitely have to make time to come down and see you then - I'd
like to see that!
Cheers
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computer collection?
www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Museum
www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - former gothic shenanigans
www.aaghverts.co.uk - the place to whinge at adverts!
3:17 a.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 10:21, John Honniball wrote:
Witchy wrote:
Far as I know, they don't have the room to swing a cat there :-(
Not with Bletchley, they don't have the
facilities and aside from the
volunteers I suspect they don't have the interest either.
How about the new computer museum at Swindon?
http://www.digitalhistory.org.uk/index.php But we don't
have a great deal of genuine home-grown computer heritage here,
apart from INMOS. We do have a Concorde museum opening in the
next week or two, though.
Hmm, I'll have to check that one out :-)
cheers
Jules
5:28 a.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jules Richardson
Sent: 13 August 2004 13:17
To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
Far as I know, they don't have the room to swing a cat there :-(
Not in the 'museum' itself, but there IS a reasonably sized hall at the
other end of the building....
Cheers
w
8:45 a.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, John Honniball wrote:
Witchy wrote:
"The Museum does not intend to own a collection of exhibits. Its function
will be to act as a showcase for outside exhibitors."
Sounds like a good venue for the VCF to me! :)
Not with Bletchley, they don't have the
facilities and aside from the
volunteers I suspect they don't have the interest either.
How about the new computer museum at Swindon?
http://www.digitalhistory.org.uk/index.php I mentioned the VCF to my old PhD supervisor at the
University of the
West of England (in Bristol) and he was keen on the idea. He even
suggested the use of UWE facilities for such an event. But we don't
have a great deal of genuine home-grown computer heritage here,
apart from INMOS. We do have a Concorde museum opening in the
next week or two, though.
I'm currently investigating possibilities in the UK, so please do check
into it for me. What I'd need to know right off is what, if any, fees
would be required to rent the required space, and how much those fees are.
Thanks!
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9:43 a.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
At 18:45 13/08/2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
I'm currently investigating possibilities in the
UK, so please do check
into it for me. What I'd need to know right off is what, if any, fees
would be required to rent the required space, and how much those fees are.
Thanks!
Well I can offer a scout hut in Manchester, but I suspect it'd be a tad
small ! lol.
Never having been to any VCF - hell, I didn't even know anybody collected
old kit seriously, until recently, what is the sort of size venue these
things need?
I've been to the occasional event at George Carnell L/C and it seems a
reasonable size. South Manchester, right on the motorway: No idea on
costs, but contact info here:
http://www.trafford.gov.uk/cme/live/welcome.asp?id=452
There are plenty of local sports halls around too. I could probably dig
out a few details on some from the locality from when I had a hand in
running a couple of local dog shows.
Rob
9:55 a.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
Am 13 Aug 2004 19:43 meinte Rob O'Donnell:
At 18:45 13/08/2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
>I'm currently investigating possibilities in the UK, so please do check
>into it for me. What I'd need to know right off is what, if any, fees
>would be required to rent the required space, and how much those fees are.
Well I can offer a scout hut in Manchester, but I
suspect it'd be a tad
small ! lol.
*G* we could do a VCF restricted only to portable machines,
not bigger than let'S say a KIM *G*
There are plenty of local sports halls around too. I
could probably dig
out a few details on some from the locality from when I had a hand in
running a couple of local dog shows.
Manchester? Huh, have't been ther for since the tramway reopened.
Not London, but maybe not a bad idea. It all depends on the space
vs. cost ratio, and Manchester might be more likely in the reasonable
area than London.
What realy would be could would be Blackpool, but I guess the hotels
there charge real money.
Gruss
H.
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4:14 p.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Rob O'Donnell wrote:
Never having been to any VCF - hell, I didn't even
know anybody collected
old kit seriously, until recently, what is the sort of size venue these
things need?
The main hall would need to be about a minimum of 150m^2 (1600ft^2) with
an adjoining hall that can hold around 50 people in lecture style seating
arrangement.
Preferably, it would be near a large population center with good public
transit, and cheap ;)
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11:26 a.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
I'm currently investigating possibilities in the
UK, so please do check
into it for me. What I'd need to know right off is what, if any, fees
would be required to rent the required space, and how much those fees are.
Would collaborating with one of the bigger ham radio rallies be practical?
(probably wouldn't be enough spare space at the obvious choice of
Donnington, tho' that location might be cost-effective standalone.)
In London the best bet is probably Excel ... but even that is likely to be
too much.
Best accessibility is going to be the midlands - somewhere like Loughboro'
is in range of London, York, and Manchester but less than optimum for train
travellers.
Andy
14 Aug
14 Aug
6:02 a.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Vintage
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Sent: 13 August 2004 18:45
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
"The Museum does not intend to own a collection of exhibits.
Its function will be to act as a showcase for outside exhibitors."
Sounds like a good venue for the VCF to me! :)
Nope, because the room they have for the museum is not really accessible
to the public outside working hours and it's only about 30 feet long,
also there's no easy access for big iron owing to the size of the doors
to get in. If they're allowed to use the main university hall however
it's a different matter.
Cheers
w
13 Aug
13 Aug
3:05 a.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
On Thu, 2004-08-12 at 19:15, Witchy wrote:
Not true there - there are plenty of conference rooms and halls within
the mansion, and the resteraunt / bar facilities. The problem lies with
the management seemingly indifferent to actually making any money from
hiring out the facilities, except to the odd wedding.
(I wonder if the cinema with the vintage equipment in is available too?
Classic computer movies on classic equipment... :)
-----Original
Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Vintage
Computer Festival
Sent: 08 August 2004 21:53
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
Eventually. I was speaking with some folks at Bletchly Park
a few years ago but that never went anywhere.
Perhaps we can try again?
Not with Bletchley, they don't have the facilities and aside from the
volunteers I suspect they don't have the interest either.
Exactly. What a waste, huh?
I don't know what your budget is but the
Fairfield Halls
in Croydon, London was where we had the CGE-UK the other week
and that was a good venue for VCF type events.
Indeed it was. It was quite an expensive venue for the weekend though.
The Science Museum presumably have conference halls and the like for
hire, but again being in London it's likely to be expensive...
cheers
Jules
5:11 a.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
In message <1092398719.12178.42.camel(a)weka.localdomain>
Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Indeed it was. It was quite an expensive venue for the
weekend though.
The Science Museum presumably have conference halls and the like for
hire, but again being in London it's likely to be expensive...
There's the
venue that the Wakefield RISC OS Computer Club usually use for
the yearly Wakefield RISC OS shows - Thornes Park Athletics Stadium in
Wakefield, West Yorkshire. WROCC usually rent most of the ground floor
(indoor athletics track) and use a room on the top floor for catering - it
seems to work for them but I'm not sure about room sizes and such - I just
attent the events :)
Then there's the Birmingham Motorcycle Museum (ISTR the ARM Club do their
computer shows there), though I'm not sure if they've finished rebuilding
yet.
If there is a VCF or similar event in the North of England (i.e. within an
hour's drive of Leeds), I'd be very tempted to attend. I was thinking about
going to CGE-UK, but a rail ticket from Leeds to London isn't exactly cheap.
Later.
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5:26 a.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jules Richardson
Sent: 13 August 2004 13:05
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
Are there? Maybe it's something worth trying with then? Or are we of the
assumption that they'd not be bothered at all?
Not with Bletchley, they don't have the
facilities
Not true there - there are plenty of conference rooms and
halls within the mansion, and the resteraunt / bar Indeed it was. It was quite an expensive venue for the
weekend though. The Science Museum presumably have conference
halls and the like for hire, but again being in London it's
likely to be expensive...
Apparently Fairfield cost ukp19K! Chris must've lost an awful lot of
cash, unless he was padded out by Retro Gamer magazine.....
Cheers
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www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Museum
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www.aaghverts.co.uk - the place to whinge at adverts!
14 Aug
14 Aug
9:35 a.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Witchy wrote:
Apparently Fairfield cost ukp19K! Chris must've
lost an awful lot of
cash, unless he was padded out by Retro Gamer magazine.....
Holy crap! That HAD to be a loss. I don't know how a small gamer's
show could make money with a bill like that. Either that figure is
severely wrong or someone is mortgaging the house right now.
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10:05 a.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 14 August 2004 19:35
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: RE: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
That was for a lot of stuff though - hire of a lot of the place from
Friday lunchtime till Monday lunchtime (ish), all the security, staff
and at least 3 big rooms; the hall we were in was big, there was the
entire floor at the top of the stairs that I didn't see and another room
that I also didn't see, plus the hospitality suite on the top floor.
I've been told we had over 700 people in....maybe I should find out how
much the tickets were!
I'll also double-check with the other exhibitors to see if they were
told how much it all was.....
Cheers
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owner & curator, Binary Dinosaurs - the UK's biggest online home
computer collection?
www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Museum
www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - former gothic shenanigans
www.aaghverts.co.uk - the place to whinge at adverts!
Apparently Fairfield cost ukp19K! Chris
must've lost an
awful lot of
cash, unless he was padded out by Retro Gamer
magazine.....
Holy crap! That HAD to be a loss. I don't know how a small
gamer's show could make money with a bill like that. Either
that figure is severely wrong or someone is mortgaging the
house right now. 
11:38 a.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
Witchy wrote:
Full price tickets were ?7.50.
>Apparently
Fairfield cost ukp19K! Chris must've lost an
>awful lot of
>cash, unless he was padded out by Retro Gamer magazine.....
I've been told we had over 700 people in....maybe I should
find out how much the tickets were! 
12:05 p.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
>Apparently Fairfield cost ukp19K! Chris must've
lost an
>awful lot of
>cash, unless he was padded out by Retro Gamer magazine.....
I've been told we had over 700 people in....maybe I should
find out how much the tickets were!
1:11 p.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Paul Williams
Sent: 14 August 2004 21:38
To: General(a)jupiter.easily.co.uk;
Discussion@jupiter.easily.co.uk:On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
That tallies with Jules' estimations then; it's a pity you weren't at
Bletchley last weekend since both of us were there and we could've given
you a guided tour! You'd still be talking about it now though.....
That reminds me I haven't posted the page of machine pictures from the
storage area I took. Some good stuff in there from an early Acorn Atom,
BBC Model A, boxed (WOW!) Northstar Horizon metal case, other Northstar
stuff including 3 wooden cased machines, PDP 11/10, PDP 11/40, a few PDP
8s, Custom case (UNIQUE! Etc) Compukit UK101, totally boffin'd out Ohio
Scientific and a general view of the museum itself. Hopefully it's on
this machine I'm typing on now.
Cheers
w
I've been told we had over 700 people
in....maybe I should
find out how much the tickets were!
Full price tickets were ?7.50.
11:33 a.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 18:35, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Witchy wrote:
It wasn't ever planned to make money - Chris is doing some work (network
installation and the like I believe) for Fairfield in return for the
hire of the venue. I think they took about 5K on the doors from the
public, but don't quote me on that.
Chris is definitely keen to do the same again next year as he sees it as
a success given it's the first year anyone's tried it in the UK; the
numbers attending were enough to show that people are interested.
Publicity and the like should be better next time around - plus I
believe there may be a charge in future for any exhibitors who weren't
there for this initial event (again don't quote me on that though; long
way to go until the next one! :-)
cheers
Jules
Apparently Fairfield cost ukp19K! Chris
must've lost an awful lot of
cash, unless he was padded out by Retro Gamer magazine.....
Holy crap! That HAD to be a loss. I don't know how a small gamer's
show could make money with a bill like that. Either that figure is
severely wrong or someone is mortgaging the house right now.
2:23 p.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004, Jules Richardson wrote:
Chris is definitely keen to do the same again next
year as he sees it as
a success given it's the first year anyone's tried it in the UK; the
numbers attending were enough to show that people are interested.
Do you have an idea as to actual attendance figures?
Publicity and the like should be better next time
around - plus I
believe there may be a charge in future for any exhibitors who weren't
there for this initial event (again don't quote me on that though; long
way to go until the next one! :-)
Publicity is always the hardest part. Unless you have a ton of money to
spend on it, guerilla tactics are your only hope.
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15 Aug
15 Aug
1:41 a.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 23:23, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004, Jules Richardson wrote:
Unfortunately not; when I saw him at the end of the Saturday estimates
were looking to be somewhere around the 700 mark, based on the first day
figures. Not sure what the final total for the weekend was, though.
I suppose it doesn't sound like a lot, but then given it was the first
one of its kind in the UK and therefore under-publicised (plus both
exhibitors and public alike were taking a bit of a gamble on coming) it
did quite well. Various press and TV crews seemed to be there during the
weekend, so next year's should be a lot better.
Chris is definitely keen to do the same again
next year as he sees it as
a success given it's the first year anyone's tried it in the UK; the
numbers attending were enough to show that people are interested.
Do you have an idea as to actual attendance figures? From an exhibitor's point of view the attendance
figures were quite nice
though - busy enough to be talking for 95% of the day but
not so
overcrowded as to be uncomfortable. Ratio of exhibitors to public was
about spot-on I'd say.
Actually, maybe combining the next CGE-UK event with the possible VCF UK
makes some sense in terms of costs, publicity etc. Certainly there's
some overlap between the two - we (as in Bletchley) had all sorts of
'static' bits and pieces at CGE-UK which weren't directly related to
gaming (bits of Colossus, old disk platters, card punches etc.) and they
attracted a huge amount of interest from the public. Seems like the
gaming public were keen to see the old stuff, and I imagine VCF
attendees aren't against playing a few of the old classics :-)
cheers
Jules
8:43 p.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004, Jules Richardson wrote:
Actually, maybe combining the next CGE-UK event with
the possible VCF UK
makes some sense in terms of costs, publicity etc. Certainly there's
some overlap between the two - we (as in Bletchley) had all sorts of
'static' bits and pieces at CGE-UK which weren't directly related to
gaming (bits of Colossus, old disk platters, card punches etc.) and they
attracted a huge amount of interest from the public. Seems like the
gaming public were keen to see the old stuff, and I imagine VCF
attendees aren't against playing a few of the old classics :-)
Yes, it can work. We teamed up one year with the California Extreme
arcade/pinball show and it worked out fairly well. We should discuss this
further offline.
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13 Aug
13 Aug
8:48 a.m.
New subject: VCF UK? (was Re: VCF West hotel)
Hi,
Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk(a)yahoo.co.uk> said:
(I wonder if the cinema with the vintage equipment in
is available too?
Classic computer movies on classic equipment... :)
It would be interesting to know what audio equipment is intalled there.
I remeber repairing a 1930s ex-cinema audio amp that was still being
used as a social club pa in the late '60s. IIRC a pair of PX25s in
the output for about 25 Watts, enough for bingo calling, but not much
else.
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