I have an operational SE30. Perhaps I can help? -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Zane H. Healy wrote: I just picked up one from Dayna for $15, and another one for Powerbooks I need to figure this out, too. I want to get a couple of Apples on the net at home, but I don't have a TCP/IP stack for them. Was this free from Apple? Is it part of a specific version of MacOS? In the interim, I was planning to make my Linux box talk AppleTalk over ethernet. -- Doug

Asante still lists ethernet cards for SEs as for sale. They do mention that the SE doesn't have an opening in the back facilitate installing the card (I think - dunno, it wasn't a problem on my SE30, which DOES have an opening) so you might want to get one of their atalk <-> ethernet devices instead. They're not much more expensive (about US$99 for the card, vs about US$130 for the atalk <-> ethernet adapter.) -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

van(a)wired.com then Paul Braun said: I know nothing about Novell networks. WinNT4 might be off-topic, but a WinNT4 box makes a great Mac accessory. Along with TCP/IP and other protocols, it has Appletalk on it, and if you format a HD using WinNT4's native format (I forget what you call it), it shares just like an Apple disk. I've got a source of slightly overpriced used Apple ethernet cards and an SE (my SE-30 has an Asante in it), I can check for you if you like, might take a while for a physically compatible SE card to show up. I know another source that had a whole pile of new SE Ethernet cards, but he may have dumpstered them, by now (I will check, tho). The SE I have has a BNC connector sticking out the back, but it's for Radius two-page display card; I seem to recall a similar physical configuration for the SE Ethernet card, tho. My DuoDock box has an old Apple II Ethernet card in it. All my Macs running OS 8.1 and has run OS 8.5) all get along just fine on Ethertalk with the WinNT box included. My next step is to either turn the SE30 into a router, or get a router box (or both, I'm not sure what's needed there), and implement TCP/IP protocol on the network, so that the older Mac stuff (SE through 512k using phonenet) can all live on the same network. Possibly use the WinNT box to gateway to the Internet, after I upgrade to the dual-Pentium 90 motherboard I just acquired. If you have anything running Appleshare 3.61 thru 3.64, upgrade them all to Appleshare 3.65 for more compatibility. Older versions than that on older machines are okay as is. "Recyclable" is the politically-correct term for "Garbage" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Heavyside on eBay: mailto:native-sun@usa.net http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?LeaveFeedbackShow&useridto=he… ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Actually, I thought I discouraged it! Vice? Isn't that Ward's department? He has that signature about alcohol and tobacco. Seriously, I haven't been keeping track of off-topicness, but it seemed about the same as before (maybe it's gone up a little recently, but not solidly since I started). I think you're exaggerating. Perhaps it would be better if I started approving messages. Then I could still read the silly things everyone has to say but they wouldn't be inflicted on others. -- Derek

I agree, the signal to noise ratio seems to remain about the same, with occasional peaks, and of course dips. I personally don't see any problems, especially when people start including 'OT:' at the beginning of the subject when it starts to drift a bit far off topic. I'd rather have friendly list that has some off topic messages, rather than a Totalitarian always on topic list. The only thing I really care about is that it's pure ASCII, without attachments! Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |