Remember this is socket 7, I can't use a Duron or P3 in this motherboard. Plus, this confuses me, why do all the vendors stock the AMD K6II? AMD made a K6-3 that was supposed to be better becasue it's cache ran at full speed, unike the K6-2. Is the Duron an AMD cpu, or is it an entry level Intel processor, similar to the Celeron? Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:

PCliquidator.com often has a cheap deal on K6-3 processors, just make sure your bios supports the chip (its from a laptop, but common)

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The locals here in Ky call the 3.5" floppies "hard disks" too - I guess because the hard outer casing. It's difficult to explain to them that it's still a floppy disk as the revolving disk inside of that case is flexible - or "floppy" and that a hard drive gets it's name from having hard platters inside of it. Of course I may be biased having grown up in Chicago with schools that teach you that "I ain't got no ideal" or "might could" are improper uses of English and that the earth was found to be round :-) -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Chad Fernandez -> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 1:22 AM -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> Subject: Re: Are office people really that, umm shall we say...slow? -> -> -> Tony Duell wrote: -> > Argh!!! A 3.5" floppy is in no sense a hard drive... -> -> Yeah that was another interesting aspect of the label job. It of course -> means it was user made.... as if the user was somehow going to forget -> what to put into the drive, and try and insert a 5.25" floppy by -> mistake! -> -> > Err, are you complaining about labelling connectors. It's odd, but I've -> > labelled connectors on a lot of my machines so I know what they are. -> > There are not hat many different types of connectors in use, and -> > mis-connecting stuff can prove expensive. -> -> I can see manufacturer labeling ports, and a user/installer labeling -> ports that may not be common or standard, or possibly easily confused. -> I can't see a good reason for a user to label the everyday stuff that -> should be obvious, like the floppy drives or the video port. -> -> > -> > For those of you who think it's unneccessary, let's see how you do with -> > the connectors on the PC/XT on my desk : -> -> I'll try, but I don't know what a DA or DC is. Are they the proper -> names for what many people would still call a db connector? -> -> > -> > Slot 1 : Female DA15, Female DB25 -> -> don't know -> > -> > Slot 2 : 6 Ribbon cables come out (a) ending in a male DC37, -> (b,c) ending -> > in female DB25s, (d,e) ending in male DB25s (narrower ribbon -> cables than -> > b,c), (f) ending in a female DC37 -> -> No idea, but from you, probably something homemade :-) -> -> > -> > Slot 3 : Pushbutton switch, Mini-DIN 6 -> -> The switch might be a reset, but no idea on the mini-din 6, M$ bus mouse -> perhaps? -> -> > -> > Slot 4 : RCA phono socket, female DE9 -> -> That's your video card I think. -> -> > -> > Slot 5 : Female DE9, female DB25 -> -> serial ports -> -> > -> > Slot 6 : Female DC37 -> -> again, I 'm not sure what a DC connector is.... is it a floppy -> controller? I can't recall the pin count. -> -> > Slot 7 : Male DB25 -> -> parallel port? -> > -> > Slot 8 : Female DC37 -> -> a second floppy controller? -> -> > -> > Also on the back : another male DB25, female 5 pin DIN, male and female -> > IEC mains connectors. -> -> The DB25 could be another parallel port, the din 5 your keyboard, and I -> don't know what IEC is, but since you say mains I assume that's your -> power cord and monitor power points. -> -> > -> > I'll be impressed if anyone identifies all of the above. -> -> I might do a better jon, if I actually had the computer in front of me, -> even if I didn't pop the top. -> -> Chad Fernandez -> Michigan, USA ->

Jerome Fine replies: That is OK! My wife still refers to the terminals laying around (VT100 and VT220) as computers! I really don't think she understands the difference.

You wouldn't happen to know where I might be able to get a VT340 cheap, would you? Peace... Sridhar On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Jerome Fine wrote:

NO COMMENT!! - I don't want this to become a long thread even though the VT100 is actually on topic.

Tony Duell wrote: I wondered how many drives you had :-) Ok, I was thinking it was the high density 15 pin connector that VGA normally uses. I would have recognized it as a Game/midi connector in person. These aren't normally external drives are they? I was thinking either CGA or EGA. Mine was EGA, on a 286. See, I get confused with that second letter. What makes it a DE9, and not a DB9? I guess I get the genders mixed up, because so many computer connectors are compound connectors. You've got pins sliding in, surrounded by a shell, that's getting something slid into it, etc. I guess your calling it by the pins, and I'm calling it by the shell. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Tony Duell wrote: ^^^^ |||| This one has something like 72 pins, and is used with some frequency on multi-port serial configurations. IBM uses them on their 6-port ASCII Workstation Controllers which fit AS/400 machines, and I have a couple of DigiBoard MC/8 cards which use this connector for the host-end of the octopus cable. I liked another subscriber's idea: use "plug" and "socket". Though I guess I could see how this might also be confusing. ok r.

On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Tony Duell wrote: I think you're right, with 78. I don't have one in front of me just at this very minute. Four rows of pins. Yeesh! I misremembered it. It was "pins and sockets" which seems somehow slightly less ambiguous. But maybe not. ok r.

Well, sure I've seen little labels that mark off ports, but these are obviously hand written by people, as if they aren't going to know later on or something. Sort of like leaving yourself a post-it note for something you might legitimately forget. They do it for silly things, like the floppy drives! Sometimes on modern computers, I can't find the power button! Morphed looking cases with ATX softpower supplies, and all. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA Jeff Hellige wrote:

Jeff Hellige skrev: I can't recall having seen many systems without labels for their ports. And why shouldn't there be any? Proper labeling is a virtue, and I can only ewish that more computer manufacturers would bother pointing out what the hell they've produced. After all, if you've spent the last few months doing a PCB layout, it can't be that much of a chore to actually print its name or purpose somewhere, too? -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. Och har du en TV utan Scart, vilket nittionio procent faktiskt har, kommer de f?rmodligen att ringa fr?n Antikrundan. Martin Timell

Packard Bells are all color coded too but they were intended mostly for the home market and small biz. They even came with a setup chart, as do some of the new machines as well as scanners, printers, etc. -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Mike Ford -> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 1:51 AM -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> Subject: Re: Are office people really that, umm shall we say...slow? -> -> -> > I've seen brand new systems come from Dell with little -> >stickers in place labeling all of the ports. Not just the little -> >icons, but it all spelled out. Frankly, I'm suprised a lot of people -> >even find the power button. -> -> BTW those stickers are color coded too. -> -> ->

... and for those without PC experience. We had a newbie in one of the college labs who was trying to install a second printer on some of the OLD (8088, 80286) machines. But the "other" DB25 connector on the back of the machines was MALE, ... So she connected them with gender changers. [for non-PC people: IBM used FEMALE DB25 for parallel printer, and MALE DB25 for serial] Back a long time ago, one of our instructors damaged the input circuitry of of several giant classroom CGA compatible monitors by plugging them into the Microsoft Bus [green-eyed] Mouse ports Is the color coding standardized? Or will we have incorrect connections made by people who follow the color code instead of other cues? -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com

XenoSoft skrev: IBM were one of those bastards who introduced the non-DB25 serial ports. Which is a real bother since there is no real D9 serial standard pinout. IBM use one, Apple used one, HP another and Luxor a fourth. This reminds me of a post a month or two ago on the PS/2 group, where a nebiw was stating that there were no serial ports on the back of his model 95, only a parallel port and an inverted parallel port. Well, at least that would be somewhat true WRT the Amiga 1000, which had switched genders on its parallel and serial ports. How would you plug a CGA monitor (D9) into a bus mouse port (mini-DIN)? I can just imagine how people with no clue (or analphabets, more likely) would plug modems into Amiga joystick ports and VGA monitors into the Atari STE advanced joystick ports, thinking "cor, dual-head!". =/ But seriously, most connectors have been used more than once in the history of computing, so proper labeling is no bad idea. Some D-sub connectors you wouldn't want to plug ito the wrong connector would be the Dragon 32 PSU (D9), Luxor monitors with power and signal on the same D15, and similar Ericsson monitors with a DB25. -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson

XenoSoft skrev: Male? Well, at least that means it's easy to identify (I try to pick up bus mice for converting into Atari mice). I suppose that this is why M$ call their mini-DIN port the InPort? Obviously. -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. Age is a high price to pay for maturity.

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Last year the University of North Carolina began giving IBM Thinkpads to all of its students. Over half of them had to be sent back for repairs after students confused the ethernet port with the modem and attempted to connect them to a phone line.

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