Actually we want this Packard Bell http://www.smecc.org/itemsklkljl;_3.jpg for the computer display at SMECC! Also want any promo material, artwork, manuals etc etc etc.... drop me a line offlist with a title of SMECC Packard Bell please to _couryhouse at aol.com_ (mailto:couryhouse at aol.com) thisis what we are looking for http://www.smecc.org/itemsklkljl;_3.jpg In a message dated 7/1/2016 10:49:36 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, js at cimmeri.com writes: Computers don't (yet) have voting rights. :-) But you're defining "spirit" and listing criteria by which a machine is appropriate or not. A PS/2 with an 80386 running Windows 3.1 is acceptable, whereas a Packard Bell with an 80386 running Windows 3.1 is not. Yeah, you and I would cringe at a PB being discussed, but maybe there's someone out there who really is fond of their PB. So as Terry ("Tezza") acknowledges, terms like "landmark," "classic," "collectible" are subjective (but I don't think "vintage" is subjective -- that term is usually set by age alone). This is why it's just easier to use a single criteria -- age -- and leave it at that. Why is age acceptable everywhere else in collecting, but not here? Otherwise, someone (the list owner?) has to pontificate over a list of acceptable computers. Good luck with that. - J.