4 Aug
2014
4 Aug
'14
12:13 p.m.
Hi all
There's something about all of this that does not feel right.
How big is this outfit? I can't see how they are going to support mission critical
software on a world wide basis.
HP are now absolved from any future new VMS promises they may have made.
Where do Microsoft fit in this.
Finally will they endorse the hobbyist VMS program?
Rod Smallwood
----Original message----
From : healyzh at aracnet.com
Date : 04/08/2014 -
15:39 (GMTDT)
To : cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject : Re: MAJOR OpenVMS News!
On Aug 4, 2014, at 12:51 AM, "John H. Reinhardt" <johnhreinhardt at
yahoo.com> wrote:
If you have an hour of your life to give here is a
recording of the announcement meeting along with a Q&A session afterwards.
<https://connect-community.site-ym.com/resource/resmgr/2014_OpenVMS_Bootcamp/7-31-14_OpenVMS_SIG_Meeting_.mp3>
John H. Reinhardt
Thanks for the link, now I just need to find an hour that I can spend listening to it.
I just checked and VSI has updated their site, it now appears to be 'live'.
http://www.vmssoftware.com/
Here is the FAQ that VSI just posted.
http://www.vmssoftware.com/news/announcement/faq.pdf
Zane
4 Aug
4 Aug
4:09 p.m.
On Aug 4, 2014, at 12:13 PM, R SMALLWOOD <rodsmallwood52 at btinternet.com> wrote:
Hi all
There's something about all of this that does not feel right.
How big is this outfit? I can't see how they are going to support mission critical
software on a world wide basis.
HP are now absolved from any future new VMS promises they may have made.
Where do Microsoft fit in this.
Finally will they endorse the hobbyist VMS program?
Their lineup of key players is pretty decent:
http://www.vmssoftware.com/about_kmgr.html
Sue Skonetski has been a very vocal VMS advocate for a long time,
and it's good to see her on board. Their software engineering
and R&D directors are also pretty decent; I see significant VMS
experience as well as TOPS-20 (!), which can't be bad.
Word has it that the hobbyist program is enthusiastically being
continued, though I need to deliver that with a [citation needed],
since I don't know where that's been said. With Sue Skonetski as
head of customer advocacy, though, I wouldn't be at all surprised.
- Dave
6:48 p.m.
On 8/4/2014 4:09 PM, David Riley wrote:
On Aug 4, 2014, at 12:13 PM, R SMALLWOOD
<rodsmallwood52 at btinternet.com> wrote:
In the Q&A section of the conference recording, one of the questions was
specifically about the Hobbyist program and it was said that they are
fully intending to keep that up as well as the educational program. I
would not expect VSI to let the hobbyist program go as Sue (Skonetski)
was very active in it during her last years at HP.
About the only bad news in this announcement is the fact that they only
have the license for the Integrity port and to do the x86_64 port. The
license does not cover VAX or Alpha so there will be no new VAX support
past v7.3 (not surprising) nor Alpha v8.4 (rather disappointing) and any
fixes and enhancements done in Integrity or x86_64 will not be
back-ported either by VSI nor quite probably HP. Vintage hardware will
retain the vintage software.
John H. Reinhardt
Hi all
There's something about all of this that does not feel right.
How big is this outfit? I can't see how they are going to support mission critical
software on a world wide basis.
HP are now absolved from any future new VMS promises they may have made.
Where do Microsoft fit in this.
Finally will they endorse the hobbyist VMS program?
Their lineup of key players is pretty decent:
http://www.vmssoftware.com/about_kmgr.html
Sue Skonetski has been a very vocal VMS advocate for a long time,
and it's good to see her on board. Their software engineering
and R&D directors are also pretty decent; I see significant VMS
experience as well as TOPS-20 (!), which can't be bad.
Word has it that the hobbyist program is enthusiastically being
continued, though I need to deliver that with a [citation needed],
since I don't know where that's been said. With Sue Skonetski as
head of customer advocacy, though, I wouldn't be at all surprised.
- Dave 
10:48 p.m.
On Aug 4, 2014, at 3:48 PM, John H. Reinhardt <johnhreinhardt at yahoo.com> wrote:
In the Q&A section of the conference recording,
one of the questions was specifically about the Hobbyist program and it was said that they
are fully intending to keep that up as well as the educational program. I would not
expect VSI to let the hobbyist program go as Sue (Skonetski) was very active in it during
her last years at HP.
With Sue in her role, I'd be very surprised if anything bad happened to the Hobbyist
Program.
About the only bad news in this announcement is the
fact that they only have the license for the Integrity port and to do the x86_64 port.
The license does not cover VAX or Alpha so there will be no new VAX support past v7.3 (not
surprising) nor Alpha v8.4 (rather disappointing) and any fixes and enhancements done in
Integrity or x86_64 will not be back-ported either by VSI nor quite probably HP. Vintage
hardware will retain the vintage software.
John H. Reinhardt
Even as someone that only owns VAXen and Alpha hardware, I don't view this as a bad
thing. It makes sense to focus on platforms that you can buy new hardware for. Now what
I would like to see is for them to make an effort to allow VAX 7.3 and Alpha 8.4 systems
cluster with newer hardware.
Zane
5 Aug
5 Aug
1:35 a.m.
Thanks that makes sense. At least it does if you are HP.
So, the hobbyist program will issue/renew VMS 7.3 for VAX and 8.4 for Alpha licences
Who will administer the hobbyist program? If VSI are only concerned with new versions
and the hobbyist licenses are for VMS 7.3 only 8.4 then I guess it means HP.
So unless VSI are going to issue x86_64 hobbyist licenses then they can't be much help
to the program however supportive they may be.
Rod Smallwood
----Original message----
From : johnhreinhardt at yahoo.com
Date :
04/08/2014 - 23:48 (GMTDT)
To : cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject : Re: MAJOR OpenVMS News!
On 8/4/2014 4:09 PM, David Riley wrote:
On Aug 4, 2014, at 12:13 PM, R SMALLWOOD
<rodsmallwood52 at btinternet.com> wrote:
In the Q&A section of the conference recording, one of the questions was
specifically about the Hobbyist program and it was said that they are
fully intending to keep that up as well as the educational program. I
would not expect VSI to let the hobbyist program go as Sue (Skonetski)
was very active in it during her last years at HP.
About the only bad news in this announcement is the fact that they only
have the license for the Integrity port and to do the x86_64 port. The
license does not cover VAX or Alpha so there will be no new VAX support
past v7.3 (not surprising) nor Alpha v8.4 (rather disappointing) and any
fixes and enhancements done in Integrity or x86_64 will not be
back-ported either by VSI nor quite probably HP. Vintage hardware will
retain the vintage software.
John H. Reinhardt
Hi all
There's something about all of this that does not feel right.
How big is this outfit? I can't see how they are going to support mission critical
software on a world wide basis.
HP are now absolved from any future new VMS promises they may have made.
Where do Microsoft fit in this.
Finally will they endorse the hobbyist VMS program?
Their lineup of key players is pretty decent:
http://www.vmssoftware.com/about_kmgr.html
Sue Skonetski has been a very vocal VMS advocate for a long time,
and it's good to see her on board. Their software engineering
and R&D directors are also pretty decent; I see significant VMS
experience as well as TOPS-20 (!), which can't be bad.
Word has it that the hobbyist program is enthusiastically being
continued, though I need to deliver that with a [citation needed],
since I don't know where that's been said. With Sue Skonetski as
head of customer advocacy, though, I wouldn't be at all surprised.
- Dave 
7 a.m.
On 5 August 2014 07:35, R SMALLWOOD <rodsmallwood52 at btinternet.com> wrote:
So unless VSI are going to issue x86_64 hobbyist
licenses then they can't be much help to the program however supportive they may be.
I don't know but I *suspect* that HP, as it continues to focus its
efforts -- i.e. drop the proprietary stuff, go for the mass-market --
will want to get rid of as much of this "legacy baggage" as it can. So
the new company will probably get all of the work, and HP will be
happy so long as it gets some revenue from it.
As for VSI, well, they'd be suicidal /not/ to continue the hobbyist
programme. And if they're bright enough to see that VMS still has
potential, surely they're bright enough to notice that fact?
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7:32 a.m.
Well we shall see. Remember what happened to the PDP 11 and its operating systems
----Original message----
From : lproven at gmail.com
Date : 05/08/2014 -
12:00 (GMTDT)
To : cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject : Re: MAJOR OpenVMS News!
On 5 August 2014 07:35, R SMALLWOOD <rodsmallwood52 at btinternet.com> wrote:
So unless VSI are going to issue x86_64 hobbyist
licenses then they can't be much help to the program however supportive they may be.
I don't know but I *suspect* that HP, as it continues to focus its
efforts -- i.e. drop the proprietary stuff, go for the mass-market --
will want to get rid of as much of this "legacy baggage" as it can. So
the new company will probably get all of the work, and HP will be
happy so long as it gets some revenue from it.
As for VSI, well, they'd be suicidal /not/ to continue the hobbyist
programme. And if they're bright enough to see that VMS still has
potential, surely they're bright enough to notice that fact?
--
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7:49 a.m.
On 5 August 2014 13:32, R SMALLWOOD <rodsmallwood52 at btinternet.com> wrote:
Well we shall see. Remember what happened to the PDP
11 and its operating systems
Bit before my time, although I successfully networked a bunch of Mac
Classics to a PDP-11 running DECwrite (or some other palaeolithic
word-processor) in the late 1980s, so that the Mac users could scan
text under MacOS, OCR it with Caere Omnipage and then upload the
results to the PDP using Kermit.
It was a fairly new PDP-11, too. Only a few years old. Some *heroic*
DEC salesman sold my client -- a Manx firm of solicitors -- a PDP plus
a dozen terminals in the mid-1980s as a wordprocessing solution!
But the PDP kinda sorta survived as the VAX, and RSX-11 kinda sorta
evolved into VAX-VMS... no?
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8:06 a.m.
*", and HP will be happy so long as it gets some revenue from it."*
I think not. HP is , like IBM a company obsessed with image. I suspect all
this arms length stuff is to separate VMS from HP which as its a thrusting
, modern vibrant company does not want to be associated with something as
old hat as VMS. So long as its not too successful, and doesn't take
business from HP, or tarnish HP's image, then I think there will be no
problems. We live in an age where many think having a vibrant mission
statement is far more important than any product to back it up....
Dave
G4UGM
On 5 August 2014 12:00, Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:
On 5 August 2014 07:35, R SMALLWOOD <rodsmallwood52
at btinternet.com> wrote:
So unless VSI are going to issue x86_64 hobbyist
licenses then they
can't be much help to the program however supportive they
may be.
I don't know but I *suspect* that HP, as it continues to focus its
efforts -- i.e. drop the proprietary stuff, go for the mass-market --
will want to get rid of as much of this "legacy baggage" as it can. So
the new company will probably get all of the work, and HP will be
happy so long as it gets some revenue from it.
As for VSI, well, they'd be suicidal /not/ to continue the hobbyist
programme. And if they're bright enough to see that VMS still has
potential, surely they're bright enough to notice that fact?
--
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9:20 a.m.
On 5 August 2014 14:06, Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
I think not. HP is , like IBM a company obsessed with
image. I suspect all
this arms length stuff is to separate VMS from HP which as its a thrusting
, modern vibrant company does not want to be associated with something as
old hat as VMS. So long as its not too successful, and doesn't take
business from HP, or tarnish HP's image, then I think there will be no
problems. We live in an age where many think having a vibrant mission
statement is far more important than any product to back it up....
Weird quoting you're using there, Dave.
The comment about "associated with something [old-hat]" seems to be
precisely what I was saying when I talked about "legacy baggage".
But as for your comments about HP and IBM being image-obsessed...
well, [[citation needed]].
Which means, I'm not saying you're wrong, but you need to back up that
statement with some independent evidence if you want me to take it
seriously. I don't think this has anything to do with their images. I
think HP's found a way to divest itself of a product it no longer
wants -- we knew this when it EOLed VMS -- while still making some
money off it.
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11:33 a.m.
I said "I think", so its my opinion, and by the nature of the charge its
hard to prove....
... as evidence you are image obsessed might be seen as denting the image
and so be suppressed...
Dave
On 5 August 2014 14:20, Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:
On 5 August 2014 14:06, Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at
gmail.com> wrote:
I think not. HP is , like IBM a company obsessed
with image. I suspect
all
this arms length stuff is to separate VMS from HP
which as its a
thrusting
, modern vibrant company does not want to be
associated with something as
old hat as VMS. So long as its not too successful, and doesn't take
business from HP, or tarnish HP's image, then I think there will be no
problems. We live in an age where many think having a vibrant mission
statement is far more important than any product to back it up....
Weird quoting you're using there, Dave.
The comment about "associated with something [old-hat]" seems to be
precisely what I was saying when I talked about "legacy baggage".
But as for your comments about HP and IBM being image-obsessed...
well, [[citation needed]].
Which means, I'm not saying you're wrong, but you need to back up that
statement with some independent evidence if you want me to take it
seriously. I don't think this has anything to do with their images. I
think HP's found a way to divest itself of a product it no longer
wants -- we knew this when it EOLed VMS -- while still making some
money off it.
--
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