Automatic file associations - Re: Unix handles file extensions "very poorly"? - Re: Mac/Mac Programming/Cocoa/HyperTalk
17 Dec
2011
17 Dec
'11
7:20 p.m.
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Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:13:38 +0100
From: Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de>
Files should have an header wich describes what type
of data the file
represents.
Why?
What is so terribly wrong with using the file's _name_ to describe the type
of data a file represents, so that those "humans" that you seem to disdain
elsewhere can also know and work with its type, not just the computer?
Always sad to see that in a community one would expect to be eager and open
to explore different and perhaps even better ways of doing things, this
sort of discussion so often is mostly just defending the status quo and
_arguing_ over DOS *versus* UNIX, Win vs. Linux, Apple vs. PC etc., even
sometimes to the point of insulting and name-calling, not to mention the
all-pervasive disdain and contempt for those unwashed [L]users 'out there'
whom all this is ultimately actually for and who indirectly pay most of our
salaries.
We are all in the same business/hobby after all and surely there are better
ways to spend our precious time...
But alas, it has ever been thus...
BTW, I think this quote from Ritchie himself sums it up perfectly:
"Unix is simple. It just takes a genius to understand its simplicity."
m
18 Dec
18 Dec
7:52 p.m.
MikeS wrote:
---- Original message:
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:13:38 +0100
From: Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de>
You ask me what's wrong? Never heard of a file called "your_win.jpg.exe"
for
example and was most Windoze users are doning with such a file and how its
name is displayed on most windoze machines?
Wasn't Windoze NT DOD certified for security with the included restriction
that the computer has to stand in a closed room without any network connected to
itand without access from people to his Console?
Nobody has read the footnotes it seems, it was certified, so what..
Or read about the Navy smartship project and the USS Yorktown...
The solgan was "Why you need a Saiddam when you have a Bill?"
:-)
Do you think there was change in their Quality of Software since then?
How many percent of compute power world wide is used for virus scanners
only now? There are many older computers that are unusable now only
because of the compute power that the virus scanner is needing, slowing
down the entire thing.
Programs are really bloatware now, Gigabytes of RAM are neccessary to yust
run the OS with his sick features. Programs for Financial accounting
doesn't install if you don't have at least a Gig of RAM... ??!!!??
Sorry, I love the UNIX KISS way. Small rpogramms that are doing only one
thing, butthis really good and the possibility to concatenate them.
On the desk next to me is currently an 8" double floppy drive, an the floor
nearby stands the card cage of an russian PDP-11 Clone (w/o MMU), an
Elektronika 60. This thing runs FODOS, the russian RT-11 Clone where you
really can do neat things. This machine has 32KW of RAM and is clocked
around 3Mhz...
Files should have an header wich describes what
type of data the file
represents.
Why?
What is so terribly wrong with using the file's _name_ to describe the type
of data a file represents, so that those "humans" that you seem to disdain
elsewhere can also know and work with its type, not just the computer?
Always sad to see that in a community one would expect to be eager and open
to explore different and perhaps even better ways of doing things, this
sort of discussion so often is mostly just defending the status quo and
_arguing_ over DOS *versus* UNIX, Win vs. Linux, Apple vs. PC etc., even
sometimes to the point of insulting and name-calling, not to mention the
all-pervasive disdain and contempt for those unwashed [L]users 'out there'
whom all this is ultimately actually for and who indirectly pay most of our
salaries.
We are all in the same business/hobby after all and surely there are better
ways to spend our precious time...
I make a big peace of my living out of fixing Windoze problems for customers,
so I have absolutly nothing against mikeysoft and their shit called
"Operating System" or "Word Processing Software" for example.
(Maybe Word sometimes, if it ever gets finished is then called "Text".
Maybe you can do better things then with it as wirting letters to your
grandma and watching this ugly animated dog.)
But alas, it has ever been thus...
BTW, I think this quote from Ritchie himself sums it up perfectly:
"Unix is simple. It just takes a genius to understand its simplicity."
m
Hmm, wasn't it "Unix IS user friendly, but it is a little restrictive what
his friends are.."
Regards,
Holm
PS:
Sorry for my broken english, never learned it in a shool or so, it's
entirely from using unixoid OS's and communicateing with people like you
over the net. Proably it's still better as your german :-)
I had russian in the shool but had never to use it so I forgot most of
it.
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8:21 p.m.
On 18 December 2011 19:52, Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de> wrote:
MikeS wrote:
That's a good, fair point. I suspect that actually the Unix approach -
of an attribute denoting runnability - is the better way there.
Or the Acorn RISC OS and NeXTStep/Mac OS X approach layered on top,
which is that GUI "applications" - as opposed to mere executable - are
a specially-formatted directory. (Why? Because you can open one up and
look inside, without using special tools.)
---- Original message:
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:13:38 +0100
From: Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de>
You ask me what's wrong? Never heard of a file called "your_win.jpg.exe"
for
example and was most Windoze users are doning with such a file and how its
name is displayed on most windoze machines? Files should have an header wich describes what
type of data the file
represents.
Why?
What is so terribly wrong with using the file's _name_ to describe the type
of data a file represents, so that those "humans" that you seem to disdain
elsewhere can also know and work with its type, not just the computer? PS:
Sorry for my broken english, never learned it in a shool or so, it's
entirely from using unixoid OS's and communicateing with people like you
over the net. Proably it's still better as your german :-)
I had russian in the shool but had never to use it so I forgot most of
it.
Kein problem. Es ist gut. Ich wei?e nicht ?ber die Amerikaneren, aber
hier in Gro?brittanien, wir haben uns ein bi?chen Deutsch...
(Cameron, Rich A, entschuldigung!)
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19 Dec
19 Dec
1:22 a.m.
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 08:52:03PM +0100, Holm Tiffe wrote:
MikeS wrote:
Well, that one was a particularly silly joke, IIRC:
- Windows NT 4.0
- on a specific Compaq machine that is now long out of production (yes,
the certification was for the entire setup)
- no network
- no printer
- no removable media (i.e. CDROM, floppy)
- only keyboard, mouse and monitor attach
- %SYSTEMROOT% write-only, therefore
- the printer spool system doesn't work (fine, there is no printer
attached anyway)
- you cannot, for instance, install Microsoft Office since it
want to drop files there
- What _can_ you do with it? Log in, smile at the auditors, log out.
---- Original message:
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:13:38 +0100
From: Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de>
You ask me what's wrong? Never heard of a file called "your_win.jpg.exe"
for
example and was most Windoze users are doning with such a file and how its
name is displayed on most windoze machines?
Wasn't Windoze NT DOD certified for security with the included restriction
that the computer has to stand in a closed room without any network connected to
itand without access from people to his Console?
Nobody has read the footnotes it seems, it was certified, so what.. Files should have an header wich describes what
type of data the file
represents.
Why?
What is so terribly wrong with using the file's _name_ to describe the type
of data a file represents, so that those "humans" that you seem to disdain
elsewhere can also know and work with its type, not just the computer? Or read about the Navy smartship project and the USS
Yorktown...
The solgan was "Why you need a Saiddam when you have a Bill?"
Alternatively, since around that time the CGI work for the Titanic movie
was done on Linux renderfarms: "Linux renders ships. Windows renders
ships useless." ;-)
Do you think there was change in their Quality of
Software since then?
How many percent of compute power world wide is used for virus scanners
only now? There are many older computers that are unusable now only
because of the compute power that the virus scanner is needing, slowing
down the entire thing.
And then there are silly requirements from "above" to run online virus
scanners on Unix servers ... BTST.
Kind regards,
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
2:09 a.m.
On Dec 18, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
(see the discussion a few weeks ago about why a VAXStation 4000/96 goes for thousands of
dollars on Ebay when a 4000/90 is lucky to fetch $300)
Wasn't
Windoze NT DOD certified for security with the included restriction
that the computer has to stand in a closed room without any network connected to
itand without access from people to his Console?
Nobody has read the footnotes it seems, it was certified, so what..
Well, that one was a particularly silly joke, IIRC:
- Windows NT 4.0
- on a specific Compaq machine that is now long out of production (yes,
the certification was for the entire setup) - no network
- no printer
- no removable media (i.e. CDROM, floppy)
- only keyboard, mouse and monitor attach
- %SYSTEMROOT% write-only, therefore
- the printer spool system doesn't work (fine, there is no printer
attached anyway)
- you cannot, for instance, install Microsoft Office since it
want to drop files there
- What _can_ you do with it? Log in, smile at the auditors, log out.
We're doing a project for a Navy contractor right now. This is supposed to be a
real-time system that assists in the instrument landing of planes on carriers, so its
realtime performance is kind of important. One of their few competent software people
asked for Green Hills Integrity and got told that they'd be using Windows XP Embedded
instead.
He managed to talk them down to at least Red Hat (not that that's real-time in any
sense, but still...) We still can't put any Linux machines on the internal network
because the auditing requirements for Linux systems pretty much don't exist (or where
they do, the goalposts move weekly so it's impossible to keep up). You're also
not allowed to have USB flash drives on base, though curiously there are some exceptions
for USB hard drives (because those are less likely to walk off with sensitive documents?).
We have to transfer files between machines via CD now on balky CD writers which have
about a 30% yield.
My tax dollars at work...
- Dave
2:02 a.m.
On Dec 18, 2011, at 2:52 PM, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Sorry for my broken english, never learned it in a
shool or so, it's
entirely from using unixoid OS's and communicateing with people like you
over the net. Proably it's still better as your german :-)
I had russian in the shool but had never to use it so I forgot most of
it.
Well. It's still better than the written English of most American university students
(I should know, I've had to grade their papers relatively recently; they seem to think
that commas are a kind of condiment for words). I wouldn't worry much about it.
Incidentally, I have a wonderful book on the history of semiconductor engineering
(eponymously titled) by Bo Lojek and published by Springer. It very clearly never got the
attention of a native English-speaking editor, but I found that if I read it with a
Russian (or other Slavic) accent in my head, it made things a lot clearer. For you, if I
read your text with a German accent, it makes perfect sense. :-)
- Dave
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