7 Aug
2004
7 Aug
'04
6:56 a.m.
At 08:12 PM 8/6/2004, you wrote:
As for it being BS, I disagree. I would rather have
things safer than
welcome another attack on US soil because things weren't being checked.
Sorry, it is BS. If we wanted to make things safer, we'd let citizens with
concealed weapons permits carry guns on planes.
Ed
7 Aug
7 Aug
8:32 a.m.
In message <5.2.0.9.2.20040807115354.024892b0(a)192.168.0.1>
Ed Kelleher <Pres(a)macro-inc.com> wrote:
Sorry, it is BS. If we wanted to make things safer,
we'd let citizens with
concealed weapons permits carry guns on planes.
Only problem there is that a bullet
would likely go straight through the
walls of the plane. (Air pressure outside plane) < (Air pressure inside
plane) = decompression. Not a good thing to happen on a plane. That and the
risk of it hitting wiring, fuel lines, hydraulic lines and such on its way
out. Or, even worse, an engine.
Admittedly, that's a bit of a "worst case scenario"...
Later.
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5:20 p.m.
At 06:32 PM 8/7/04 +0100, Phil wrote:
What you say is true but I personally would rather take my chances with a
hole in the fuselage or even in the hydraulic system than being held by
hijackers!
It's funny, pilots in all of the US military services routinely carry a
pistol and the services never worried about what MIGHT happen but now all
of the sudden it's a big "but what if" issue! You have to wonder, is the
effect on the aircraft REALLY the issue or is it just another ploy by the
antigunners to keep guns out of the hands of ordinary citizens (and even
extraordinary citizens in the case of pilots, air marshalls etc).
By the way there is ammunition designed to be safely used inside an
aircraft. The projectile is a small "bean bag" that flattens out in just a
few feet. It will not penetrate the aircraft skin but if it hits someone
the kinetic energy will be like them being smacked with a baseball bat!
If you really want to stop airline hijacking. Lock the cockpit (that
STILL hasn't been fully impemented!), Arm all the pilots (Ha! They're still
not allowing ANY pilots to carry guns AFIK) and put one or more ARMED sky
marshalls on EVERY flight and announce that fact. How many hijackers with
paper cutters do you think would be willing to go up against an armed
marshall?
Joe
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<5.2.0.9.2.20040807115354.024892b0(a)192.168.0.1>
Ed Kelleher <Pres(a)macro-inc.com> wrote:
> Sorry, it is BS. If we wanted to make things safer, we'd let citizens
with
concealed
weapons permits carry guns on planes.
Only problem there is that a bullet would
likely go straight through the
walls of the plane. (Air pressure outside plane) < (Air pressure inside
plane) = decompression. Not a good thing to happen on a plane. That and the
risk of it hitting wiring, fuel lines, hydraulic lines and such on its way
out. Or, even worse, an engine.
Admittedly, that's a bit of a "worst case scenario"... 
9:21 p.m.
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004, Joe R. wrote:
If you really want to stop airline hijacking. Lock
the cockpit (that
STILL hasn't been fully impemented!), Arm all the pilots (Ha! They're still
not allowing ANY pilots to carry guns AFIK) and put one or more ARMED sky
marshalls on EVERY flight and announce that fact. How many hijackers with
paper cutters do you think would be willing to go up against an armed
marshall?
It would cost a lot less (i.e. no tax hikes!) to just change foreign
policy to reflect a more humble approach. If you go around acting the ass
when you've already been bitch slapped, you just haven't figured it out
yet.
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8 Aug
8 Aug
3:57 a.m.
At 11:21 PM 8/7/04 -0700, you wrote:
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004, Joe R. wrote:
But Texico, Chevron, BP, IMF and Dick Cheney (among MANY others) will
never permit that to happen!
my 2 cents worth,
Joe
If you go around acting the ass
If you really want to stop airline hijacking.
Lock the cockpit (that
STILL hasn't been fully impemented!), Arm all the pilots (Ha! They're still
not allowing ANY pilots to carry guns AFIK) and put one or more ARMED sky
marshalls on EVERY flight and announce that fact. How many hijackers with
paper cutters do you think would be willing to go up against an armed
marshall?
It would cost a lot less (i.e. no tax hikes!) to just change foreign
policy to reflect a more humble approach. when you've already been bitch slapped, you just
haven't figured it out
yet.
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11:37 a.m.
At 02:21 AM 8/8/2004, you wrote:
If you go around acting the ass
when you've already been bitch slapped,
LOL - thinking of someone attempting to bitch slap Mike Tyson or any pro
fighter or soldier.
They're used to being hit --- and responding.
More correct term for what happened is "sucker punched" which can happen to
anyone.
It's not sensible to ascribe personal motives to that of nation states either.
Their rulers (depot or democrat) got there by strict pragmatism not
emotionalism.
(They certainly use emotions but strictly as a tool).
We, as individuals, might want to punch out some arrogant loud mouth bully,
but for dictators with dreams of hegemony that's not a good enough
reason. They'll do so only for a profitable reason, not to satisfy some
emotion.
The reason for them to do so (as they're doing) is that it's hard to fool
their people into thinking they live in a "worker's paradise" (or paradise
of any sort) when the USA [substitute your country here] is there as an
alternative.
To bring this back (or closer anyway) to being on-topic:
1) I don't think most people on this list could be "bitch slapped" by a
problem - whipped into submission. They'll keep coming back and back and
back till they whip the problem into submission.
2) Could the activities this list promotes (classic computing) exist in a
place where people's work is owed to the state.
I think the conversation would go something like this, "Why [insert
euphemistic description] are you wasting time on this IBM 5100 nonsense
when you could be [insert state supported activity here]".
You implied that America's arrogance was the cause of the problem.
I don't think that's the root cause. This list (and the personal freedom
it describes) is a much greater threat to a dictator then a country that
whips the snot out of someone who attempts to "bitch slap" them.
Though I guess it would be better if the USA wasn't so [insert list of
perjorative terms here] and were more humble.
:-)
Ed Kelleher
12:10 p.m.
On Sun, 8 Aug 2004, Ed Kelleher wrote:
At 02:21 AM 8/8/2004, you wrote:
My politics dictates it was a bitch slap. And Mike Tyson just got bitch
slapped the other day. Check into it.
There is no such thing as a "sucker punch" in international politics.
It's called bad intelligence and lax defenses. Calling it a sucker punch
is an attempt to avoid the hard answers (i.e. denial).
If you go around acting the ass
when you've already been bitch slapped,
LOL - thinking of someone attempting to bitch slap Mike Tyson or any pro
fighter or soldier.
They're used to being hit --- and responding.
More correct term for what happened is "sucker punched" which can happen to
anyone. 1) I don't think most people on this list could be
"bitch slapped" by a
problem - whipped into submission. They'll keep coming back and back and
back till they whip the problem into submission.
Hopefully we are capable of learning from our past.
2) Could the activities this list promotes (classic
computing) exist in a
place where people's work is owed to the state.
I think the conversation would go something like this, "Why [insert
euphemistic description] are you wasting time on this IBM 5100 nonsense
when you could be [insert state supported activity here]".
You're trying to argue that people cannot collect computers in a
dictatorship? Bizarre.
You implied that America's arrogance was the cause
of the problem.
I don't think that's the root cause. This list (and the personal freedom
it describes) is a much greater threat to a dictator then a country that
whips the snot out of someone who attempts to "bitch slap" them.
That sounds like something a Fox News devotee would say.
Though I guess it would be better if the USA
wasn't so [insert list of
perjorative terms here] and were more humble.
Now you're on the right track!
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