Yes... there is... now it's not very honest but it'll get ya the books. If you think the price listed in the covers of the books is fair then here is what you do. Go to the library and tell them you've lost the books. [...]

Another option (less likely to work) is to ask them if you can purchase the books. Most times though they will say no.

Still, there must be some way I can purchase books that haven't been checked out in over 20 years from an Institute of Technology library.

Someone on the list, whose name I have chosen to remove, wrote (in part): As someone who still actually _uses_ libraries for research, I can't even begin to express how barbaric I find this suggestion. "Not very honest"? Well, true, and if you don't have any qualms about slapping the face of _every other person_ who might want to do the same research for the rest of time... <grrrrrr!> But at least this is an approach that doesn't deprive you of your honor, your honesty or your soul. :) Many libraries also have annual or semi-annual public sales, of both donated books and (occasionally) old stock of their own which has been duplicated or outlived its public usefulness, so that's another method that wouldn't taint your hands and rob your fellow-collectors. :) Returning to Chuck Swiger's original message: If you're only after the information, the copies the library suggested would probably be adequate. But there is something nice about having an actual, honest-to-God book in your hands. :) Have you tried looking for the books elsewhere? Half.com, abebooks.com, alibris.com, powells.com, allbookstores.com and even amazon.com are all good sources for various old technology volumes. I've had good luck with most of them at one time or another. ePain - er, eBay also works, if you're willing to wait long enough and have a big enough checkbook. (I hesitate suggesting them; but I have been able to find two hysterically rare nonfiction volumes there, so I guess I can't gripe. <g>) If you live somewhere with a good variety of used bookstores, too, it could be worth your while to drop by some of them and see if they might be on a forgotten shelf there as well. Good used bookstores are full of surprises. :) ...Aiya! That other poster's suggestion just strikes me as scummy and invidious. Every time I go to the library, look for a particular volume and have the catalog tell me it's "missing from collection", I'm going to think of that unnamed poster and mutter a curse. :/ ...And that'll be, on average, about three curses every time I research _any_thing... :( -O.- <muttering under breath about evil library-killers>

I would be highly interested to get a listing or a hexdump (or octal dump) of scelbal in any form. I have a running 8008-system and I'm looking for software for that system. If you would make available a readable listing of scelbal I would type it in. Best would be an assembler listing, but better than nothing would be an hex- or octal-dump.

Cool. One question: are the Mark-8 and TV Typewriter articles from Radio-Electronics copies of the magazine articles or the construction booklet which had to be requested (or both)? Thanks, Paul Pennington Augusta, Georgia