12 Nov
2012
12 Nov
'12
10:36 a.m.
No connection with this listing. Looks like an interesting item.
Symbolics 3640 Artificial Intelligence Work Station Complete and Functional
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221152106364
End time: Nov 17, 2012 7:03:55 PM
12 Nov
12 Nov
11:23 a.m.
Glen Slick wrote:
No connection with this listing. Looks like an
interesting item.
Symbolics 3640 Artificial Intelligence Work Station Complete and Functional
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221152106364
End time: Nov 17, 2012 7:03:55 PM
So far I'm the only bidder. I can dream, can't I?
Peace... Sridhar
14 Nov
14 Nov
8:37 a.m.
On 11/12/2012 10:36 AM, Glen Slick wrote:
No connection with this listing. Looks like an
interesting item.
Symbolics 3640 Artificial Intelligence Work Station Complete and Functional
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221152106364
End time: Nov 17, 2012 7:03:55 PM
Anyone know what happened to this thing ? Someone must have made an
offer he couldn't refuse.
8:46 a.m.
On Nov 14, 2012, at 8:37 AM, mc68010 wrote:
On 11/12/2012 10:36 AM, Glen Slick wrote:
I've asked him what happened (haven't heard anything yet). I was high bidder at
the time it was yanked. :-(
TTFN - Guy
No connection with this listing. Looks like an
interesting item.
Symbolics 3640 Artificial Intelligence Work Station Complete and Functional
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221152106364
End time: Nov 17, 2012 7:03:55 PM
Anyone know what happened to this thing ? Someone must have made an offer he couldn't
refuse.
9:32 a.m.
On 11/14/2012 8:46 AM, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
I've asked him what happened (haven't heard
anything yet). I was high
bidder at the time it was yanked. :-( TTFN - Guy
That's no fun. With only 4 feedback anyway he probably doesn't care at
all about a bad mark on that account. You probably wont hear back from
him. I wasn't going to bid but, I was curious what it would go for.
9:44 a.m.
On Nov 14, 2012, at 9:32 AM, mc68010 wrote:
On 11/14/2012 8:46 AM, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
Yea, the real bummer is that he's just a few miles from me so I could do local
pickup.
TTFN - Guy
I've asked him what happened (haven't
heard anything yet). I was high bidder at the time it was yanked. :-( TTFN - Guy
That's no fun. With only 4 feedback anyway he probably doesn't care at all about
a bad mark on that account. You probably wont hear back from him. I wasn't going to
bid but, I was curious what it would go for. 
10:41 a.m.
On Wed, 14 Nov 2012, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
On Nov 14, 2012, at 9:32 AM, mc68010 wrote:
On the plus side, with eBay's latest policy changes, the seller still had
to pay eBay's final value fee when he canceled the bids and ended the
listing early.
It probably isn't the same machine, but there was an identical model in
Washington State that I tried to buy many years ago, but the owner backed
out because shipping it via freight was "just too much trouble". Oh well.
On 11/14/2012 8:46 AM, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
Yea, the real bummer is that he's just a few miles from me so I could do
local pickup. I've asked him what happened (haven't
heard anything yet). I was high
bidder at the time it was yanked. :-( TTFN - Guy
That's no fun. With only 4 feedback anyway he probably doesn't care at
all about a bad mark on that account. You probably wont hear back from
him. I wasn't going to bid but, I was curious what it would go for. 
11:33 a.m.
It probably isn't the same machine, but there was
an identical model in Washington State that I tried to buy many years ago, but the owner
backed out because shipping it via freight was "just too much >trouble". Oh
well.
Did he at least keep the machine or did it go in other good hands? The worst is when
people then just dump the system at the nearest yard after such an experience for the sake
of too much time put into and too much "troube"...
Pierre
5:52 p.m.
On Nov 14, 2012, at 11:33 AM, P Gebhardt wrote:
I received a reply to my message to the seller. Basically they're having problems
with PayPal and want to get that fixed before doing anything else. They said that they
would be re-listing it after the holidays.
TTFN - Guy
It probably isn't the same machine, but there
was an identical model in Washington State that I tried to buy many years ago, but the
owner backed out because shipping it via freight was "just too much
>trouble". Oh well.
Did he at least keep the machine or did it go in other good hands? The worst is when
people then just dump the system at the nearest yard after such an experience for the sake
of too much time put into and too much "troube"? 
6:08 p.m.
On 11/14/12 5:52 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
On Nov 14, 2012, at 11:33 AM, P Gebhardt wrote:
I received a reply to my message to the seller. Basically they're having problems
with PayPal and want to get that fixed before doing anything else.
you may want to ask what else they have. it appears to be the same people that had the
1108s
It probably isn't the same machine, but there
was an identical model in Washington State that I tried to buy many years ago, but the
owner backed out because shipping it via freight was "just too much>trouble".
Oh well.
Did he at least keep the machine or did it go in other good hands? The worst is when
people then just dump the system at the nearest yard after such an experience for the sake
of too much time put into and too much "troube"?
15 Nov
15 Nov
8:18 p.m.
On Nov 14, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 11/14/12 5:52 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
1108s?
TTFN - Guy
On Nov 14, 2012, at 11:33 AM, P Gebhardt wrote:
I received a reply to my message to the seller. Basically they're having problems
with PayPal and want to get that fixed before doing anything else.
you may want to ask what else they have. it appears to be the same people that had the
1108s It probably isn't the same machine, but there
was an identical model in Washington State that I tried to buy many years ago, but the
owner backed out because shipping it via freight was "just too much>trouble".
Oh well.
Did he at least keep the machine or did it go in other good hands? The worst is when
people then just dump the system at the nearest yard after such an experience for the sake
of too much time put into and too much "troube"? 
2 Dec
2 Dec
5:13 p.m.
New subject: REDDIT vintage computing
If you haven't heard of Reddit.com you probably should have. It's a user
generated social media site with categories for just about any crazy
thing you can imagine and lots of things nobody should ever imagine.
Anyway they have a vintage computer "subreddit"
http://www.reddit.com/r/vintagecomputing/ that looks like it could use a
lot more activity and content.
If you are looking to teach the young kids a thing or two about
computing history might be a good place to show off your collection or
share your knowledge. They seem to be impressed by just about anything
older than 5 years.
3 Dec
3 Dec
4:56 a.m.
New subject: REDDIT vintage computing
Don't use reddit. Any site hosting child pornography and rape images for money
doesn't deserve users. Google for "violentacerz" and "creepshots"
to see what I am referring to. They try to justify this as "freedom of speech"
and claim women have no right to complain about sexual exploitation of their image.
They're a sick, sad, exploitative organization and should be avoided by any means.
On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:13 PM, mc68010 <mc68010 at gmail.com> wrote:
If you haven't heard of Reddit.com you probably
should have. It's a user generated social media site with categories for just about
any crazy thing you can imagine and lots of things nobody should ever imagine. Anyway they
have a vintage computer "subreddit" http://www.reddit.com/r/vintagecomputing/
that looks like it could use a lot more activity and content.
If you are looking to teach the young kids a thing or two about computing history might
be a good place to show off your collection or share your knowledge. They seem to be
impressed by just about anything older than 5 years.
5:12 a.m.
New subject: REDDIT vintage computing
2012/12/3 Daniel Seagraves <dseagrav at lunar-tokyo.net>:
Don't use reddit. Any site hosting child
pornography and rape images for money doesn't deserve users. Google for
"violentacerz" and "creepshots" to see what I am referring to. They
try to justify this as "freedom of speech" and claim women have no right to
complain about sexual exploitation of their image. They're a sick, sad, exploitative
organization and should be avoided by any means.
1. afaik, child porn is now banned on Reddit.
2. Subreddits are adminstered by other people than the website admins
themselves - If you doesn't like lollipops, that doesn't mean that You
doesn't go to a city that has a candy store on a central avenue,
right?
3. No, not for money. You doesn'tpay to see them. Oh, adverts? THEY
DOESN't COUNT, since the website admins are not responsible for what
users create. If I were, let's say, to create a dubreddit
r/YoungBlondesRapedViaSCSIByRockPokemonsOnWeed - it would be me who
would take responsibility for it, and if anyone would ind t , and the
subreddit would be banned, and removed - I WOULD TAKE THE CONSEQUENCES
BECAUSE I DID IT.
tl;dr catholics doesn't like gays, but that doesn't mean that
christianity is evil.
--
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5:31 a.m.
New subject: REDDIT vintage computing
On 3 December 2012 12:56, Daniel Seagraves <dseagrav at lunar-tokyo.net> wrote:
Don't use reddit. Any site hosting child
pornography and rape images for money doesn't deserve users. Google for
"violentacerz" and "creepshots" to see what I am referring to. They
try to justify this as "freedom of speech" and claim women have no right to
complain about sexual exploitation of their image. They're a sick, sad, exploitative
organization and should be avoided by any means.
This from someone too dumb to bottom-post.
Anyway, almost everything you claim is wrong:
* Reddit doesn't host images. It may host pointers but not images.
* Even the seedy image fora were not for pr0n - non-nude pics of kids
are not pr0n
* It is not an organisation - it's a web forum, one that is uncensored
* It's free - nothing is done for money
You need to grow up, get a sense of proportion, learn how the Internet
works & stop preaching.
Secondarily, a lesson for you: censorship is a bad thing, however
noble the intentions.
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6:01 a.m.
New subject: REDDIT vintage computing
On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:31 AM, Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:
This from someone too dumb to bottom-post.
Already with the personal attacks? What are you, 14? Obviously you're already in the
tank for these creeps. Anyway, I'm not too dumb, I was too lazy. I was posting from my
cellphone and didn't want to hold backspace long enough to delete the post under mine.
I should have waited until I got to my computer to post.
I'm not arguing this on the list. I delivered my warning, that's all I intended to
do. Anyone who cares to do the research can confirm what I'm posting. The top admins
aided and encouraged posting of the most vile content available purely to drive traffic
(and therefore ad revenue) to their site. When people complained about it they were
harassed and threatened with lawsuits. When they persisted their real names and phone
numbers were posted so that they could be subjected to additional harassment. When they
turned the tables by posting the real names of the people posting crap, they were banned
for "breaking the rules." After the outrage spread the subreddits in question
were claimed to be "shut down", when in reality they were renamed an the
"rules" (which aren't enforced) were changed. (For example, creepshots was
renamed to creepyshots) These guys are shady as hell and you should not be supporting
them.
6:40 a.m.
New subject: REDDIT vintage computing
On Mon, 3 Dec 2012, Daniel Seagraves wrote:
On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:31 AM, Liam Proven <lproven at
gmail.com> wrote:
Meh. Any community (online or otherwise) will almost always contain one
or more smaller fringe subgroups which others find controversial,
distasteful, etc.
Most of what you just described above has happened on Wikipedia too. I
know this from first hand experience. Don't believe it? Ask me off-list.
This from someone too dumb to bottom-post.
Already with the personal attacks? What are you, 14? Obviously you're
already in the tank for these creeps. Anyway, I'm not too dumb, I was
too lazy. I was posting from my cellphone and didn't want to hold
backspace long enough to delete the post under mine. I should have
waited until I got to my computer to post.
I'm not arguing this on the list. I delivered my warning, that's all I
intended to do. Anyone who cares to do the research can confirm what I'm
posting. The top admins aided and encouraged posting of the most vile
content available purely to drive traffic (and therefore ad revenue) to
their site. When people complained about it they were harassed and
threatened with lawsuits. When they persisted their real names and phone
numbers were posted so that they could be subjected to additional
harassment. When they turned the tables by posting the real names of the
people posting crap, they were banned for "breaking the rules." After
the outrage spread the subreddits in question were claimed to be "shut
down", when in reality they were renamed an the "rules" (which aren't
enforced) were changed. (For example, creepshots was renamed to
creepyshots) These guys are shady as hell and you should not be
supporting them. 
6:22 a.m.
New subject: REDDIT vintage computing
On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:31:18 +0000, Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com>
wrote:
On 3 December 2012 12:56, Daniel Seagraves
<dseagrav at lunar-tokyo.net>
wrote:
> Don't use reddit. Any site hosting child pornography and rape images
> for money doesn't deserve users. Google for "violentacerz" and
> "creepshots" to see what I am referring to. They try to justify this
> as "freedom of speech" and claim women have no right to complain about
> sexual exploitation of their image. They're a sick, sad, exploitative
> organization and should be avoided by any means.
[SNIP]
You need to grow up, get a sense of proportion, learn
how the
Internet
works & stop preaching.
Secondarily, a lesson for you: censorship is a bad thing, however
noble the intentions.
Actually his comment "should be avoided by any means" is absolutely not
censorship, it is simply free speech. The difference may be subtle but
it is critical. He is free to have and state his opinion, just as you
have stated yours (re: "preaching").
10:54 a.m.
New subject: REDDIT vintage computing
On 12/3/2012 4:56 AM, Daniel Seagraves wrote:
Don't use reddit. Any site hosting child
pornography and rape images for money doesn't deserve users. Google for
"violentacerz" and "creepshots" to see what I am referring to. They
try to justify this as "freedom of speech" and claim women have no right to
complain about sexual exploitation of their image. They're a sick, sad, exploitative
organization and should be avoided by any means.
That statement shows a complete lack of understanding of how Reddit
works and what even happened with creepshots. You may need to get your
news from somewhere else than Fox and the Drudge report. For those that
don't know Reddit hosts nothing but, comments. People post links to
content elsewhere on the web and people comment on it and vote it up or
down depending if they like it or not. That is all Reddit is. Much like
a BBS of days gone past. Anyone can make subreddits on any topic they
want. People are free to join them or ignore them completely. They won't
see them if they don't go looking for them. Reddit doesn't moderate
anything. Stuff that is illegal or harmful can be flagged by the
community and removed. It happens all the time. It is self censoring
really. Bad things get removed or voted down.
This 'creepshots' thing was a very small group of people that made a
subreddit where they shared links to pictures of women taken in public
places without their knowledge. They were hardly porn. The were kinda
creepy though. They weren't even illegal in any way. They weren't even
sexy. Just voyeuristic. Only way they were sexual was in an individual's
mind and we still haven't outlawed thought crimes yet. Women had every
right to complain and many did in the comments. They unfortunately had
no rights to say how the pictures were or weren't used even it was of
them. You give up that right the second you walk into a public place.
The rights all belong to the photographer. That's the law and the
outrage showed a complete lack of knowledge on the public's part on what
free speech and privacy rights they actually enjoy.
At least here in the US if you dress in a mini skirt and and platform
heels and go to the mall and some creepy guy takes a picture of you it
is totally legal. If he posts it on facebook it is totally legal. If he
shares the link on reddit it is totally legal. Immoral maybe but, that's
not the sort of judgements reddit makes or the constitution makes in
protecting free speech. You can think of the whole phoney outrage over
the thing like some old prude walking into a library and finding a book
with nudes in it and then demanding they burn the whole library down. It
was that stupid.
11:53 a.m.
New subject: REDDIT vintage computing
They unfortunately had no rights to say how [...]
That's the law and [...]
This is fairly jurisdiction-specific. Maybe that's the law where you
live, but that doesn't mean it's the law everywhere.
How does that interact with something like reddit that, in a sense,
exists everywhere with Internet access but also, in another sense,
exists in one specific jurisdiction? "Badly". We really really need
for our legal systems to figure out how to handle jursidictions that
overlap in ways other than simple geographic nesting.
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12:28 p.m.
New subject: REDDIT vintage computing
On 12/3/2012 11:53 AM, Mouse wrote:
Well I did qualify it with the "At least here in the US" part or tried
too. I certainly wasn't trying to imply it's true everywhere. It
certainly isn't. It may actually only be true in the US as most other
countries have much stricter laws about this sort of thing. Free speech
is something protected over almost every thing else in the US. There is
no expectation of privacy in public places and so no protections.
Individual jurisdictions have tried to pass laws making public
photography and such illegal but, they are pretty much always struck
down if anyone bothers to take it to court.
I think you pretty much have to go from where the activity took place to
decide legality or not. Pretty sure this was all a US event other then
people that may have viewed the pictures. The servers, the companies,
the victims, and the hated moderator were. Most countries probably
wouldn't have cared one little bit about this honestly. Only in America
do pictures of fully clothed women become porn somehow. We really have a
sex issue here in the US. We seem to spend an inordinate amount of time
trying to repress anything that might even remotely be seen as sexual.
Now you can't even take pictures of your own children in a bath without
worrying about being taken to jail. Men are afraid to help lost children
in malls for fear of being accused of something. It's really gotten out
of hand here.
They
unfortunately had no rights to say how [...]
That's the law and [...]
This is fairly jurisdiction-specific. Maybe
that's the law where you
live, but that doesn't mean it's the law everywhere.
9:28 p.m.
New subject: REDDIT vintage computing
Only in America do pictures of fully clothed women
become porn
somehow.
Not that the US is the only country that needs a reality check. Wasn't
it Australia who arrested someone on child porn charges over a cartoon
of Bart Simpson?
We seem to spend an inordinate amount of time trying
to repress
anything that might even remotely be seen as sexual.
...unless it's an ad, in which case anything that doesn't quite upset
the media-censor bluenoses is fine. You can tell the audience that
drinking your brand of beer will get you laid all you like, provided
you don't put it in so many words or show any "naughty bits"...oh, and
provided the "you" whom the ad implies that of is male and straight.
And various other things, like white....
Yeah, the US does have various issues.
To link this to something actually on-topic, consider the ADAM, from
Logical Machine Corporation. I have a PDF (presumably a scan) of a
brochure for it which, if taken at face value, implies they'd cracked
the natural language understanding and learning problems. Its
relevance here is the cover photo, which shows a woman seated at the
thing, out on a lawn with a backdrop of plants. She's basically facing
the computer, but her head is turned to look at the camera, which is
about at her 4 o'clock. She's holding an apple with a bite taken out
of it up to her mouth...and, by appearances, is wearing nothing but a
pair of glasses. She is, of course, white, long-haired, blonde, and
blue-eyed. And, based on the distortion they (don't) generate, the
glasses - if they have lenses in the frames at all - are quite weak.
It supposedly pulls some 20 amps (110V), requires 60-80 degrees F, but
requires no particular cooling. I have trouble seeing those claims as
mutually consistent.
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10:47 p.m.
New subject: REDDIT vintage computing
On 12/3/2012 9:28 PM, Mouse wrote:
The creepyshots thing was odd on a lot of levels. It was nothing at all
pornographic unless one saw it as such. You had to put yourself inside
the mind of someone that did to even see it that way. Apparently it was
very easy for a lot of people. It was just random pictures of women
going about normal life. Sitting at a bus stop. Buying shoes at a mall.
It was stupid. It wasn't hidden cameras or upskirt things. Just random
daily scenes most of us see every day. I didn't even know the subreddit
existed until everyone was talking about it so, maybe I missed something
earlier.
Anyway, I assure anyone that there is no child porn hidden in the
vintage computer subreddit that I have seen. I keep meaning to post this
though
http://www.codeine.org/Archive/Babasses/DEC-PDP/pdp11_and_Zwiebeltuete.jpg
He looks of age though so, it's probably ok.
We seem to
spend an inordinate amount of time trying to repress
anything that might even remotely be seen as sexual.
...unless it's an ad, in
which case anything that doesn't quite upset
the media-censor bluenoses is fine. 
11:14 p.m.
New subject: REDDIT vintage computing
hahaha that photo pops up allot on google
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:47 AM, mc68010 <mc68010 at gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/3/2012 9:28 PM, Mouse wrote:
We seem to spend an inordinate amount of time
trying to repress
The creepyshots thing was odd on a lot of levels. It was nothing at all
pornographic unless one saw it as such. You had to put yourself inside the
mind of someone that did to even see it that way. Apparently it was very
easy for a lot of people. It was just random pictures of women going about
normal life. Sitting at a bus stop. Buying shoes at a mall. It was stupid.
It wasn't hidden cameras or upskirt things. Just random daily scenes most
of us see every day. I didn't even know the subreddit existed until
everyone was talking about it so, maybe I missed something earlier.
Anyway, I assure anyone that there is no child porn hidden in the vintage
computer subreddit that I have seen. I keep meaning to post this though
http://www.codeine.org/**Archive/Babasses/DEC-PDP/**
pdp11_and_Zwiebeltuete.jpg<http://www.codeine.org/Archive/Babasses/DEC-P…
looks of age though so, it's probably ok.
anything that might even remotely be seen as
sexual.
...unless it's an ad, in which case anything that doesn't quite upset
the media-censor bluenoses is fine.
4 Dec
4 Dec
2:21 p.m.
New subject: Ebay VAX 11/780 Stockton, CA
This one is very close to me and that just makes it hurt even more. If
someone wants to buy this for me for xmas they are free to do so. It
looks pretty loaded too.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200859112804
4:16 p.m.
New subject: Ebay VAX 11/780 Stockton, CA
On Dec 4, 2012, at 5:21 PM, mc68010 wrote:
This one is very close to me and that just makes it
hurt even more. If someone wants to buy this for me for xmas they are free to do so. It
looks pretty loaded too.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200859112804
Oh man, that's lovely and it looks like it's going for a
steal (so far). Hope someone acquires it for something
other than scrapping purposes.
- Dave
5:10 p.m.
New subject: Ebay VAX 11/780 Stockton, CA
On 12/4/2012 4:16 PM, David Riley wrote:
On Dec 4, 2012, at 5:21 PM, mc68010 wrote:
Looks like it has a graphics system in it too. Lexidata System 3400.
http://origin-www.computer.org/plugins/dl/pdf/mags/co/1981/11/01667157.pdf
Is that whole third unit just the 3400 ? I really am not sure how this
sort of system ended up out here in the farm country of California.
Seems a bit much to manage a dairy farm.
This one is very close to me and that just makes
it hurt even more. If someone wants to buy this for me for xmas they are free to do so. It
looks pretty loaded too.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200859112804
Oh man, that's lovely and it looks like
it's going for a
steal (so far). Hope someone acquires it for something
other than scrapping purposes.
- Dave 
4:20 p.m.
New subject: Ebay VAX 11/780 Stockton, CA
At 2:21 PM -0800 12/4/12, mc68010 wrote:
This one is very close to me and that just makes it
hurt even more.
If someone wants to buy this for me for xmas they are free to do so.
It looks pretty loaded too.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200859112804
Wow! That's beautiful! Thankfully it's not very close to me, and
I'd hate to have to pay the electric bill for powering it up!
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5:49 p.m.
New subject: Ebay VAX 11/780 Stockton, CA
I actually heard back from the people that have it. It's some national
e-recycling company that gets things from all over so, has no idea where
anything actually comes from. Also interesting is that they apparently
only operate out of prisons using convict labor. Their facilities are
located entirely inside prisons. You can't pick stuff up for obvious
reason. I guess they found a way to compete with the Chinese recyclers
labor costs. I had no idea this was going on.
6:12 p.m.
New subject: Ebay VAX 11/780 Stockton, CA
interesting and a good use of otherwise lost time and lost money.... why
not...
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 7:49 PM, mc68010 <mc68010 at gmail.com> wrote:
I actually heard back from the people that have it.
It's some national
e-recycling company that gets things from all over so, has no idea where
anything actually comes from. Also interesting is that they apparently
only operate out of prisons using convict labor. Their facilities are
located entirely inside prisons. You can't pick stuff up for obvious
reason. I guess they found a way to compete with the Chinese recyclers
labor costs. I had no idea this was going on.
6:21 p.m.
New subject: Ebay VAX 11/780 Stockton, CA
On 12/4/2012 6:12 PM, Adrian Stoness wrote:
interesting and a good use of otherwise lost time and
lost money.... why
not...
Looking at their website http://meritpartners.org/blog/ it does look
like they are actually trying to do good rather than just use cheap
labor. They use the recycling to help train youth offenders computer
skills. Mainly refurbishing PC and such. They don't even seem to know
how they ended up with the VAX. This actually seems like a really good
organization. The prison thing threw me at first.
4:33 p.m.
New subject: Ebay VAX 11/780 Stockton, CA
On 04/12/2012 22:21, "mc68010" <mc68010 at gmail.com> wrote:
This one is very close to me and that just makes it
hurt even more. If
someone wants to buy this for me for xmas they are free to do so. It
looks pretty loaded too.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200859112804
Oh man....wrong side of the pond AGAIN.
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5 Dec
5 Dec
12:48 a.m.
New subject: Ebay VAX 11/780 Stockton, CA
?
Yeah, these systems seem to *always* show up in the US, only :(
This one is
very close to me and that just makes it hurt even more. If
someone wants to buy this for me for xmas they are free to do so. It
looks pretty loaded too.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200859112804
Oh man....wrong side of the pond AGAIN.
-- 
2:36 a.m.
New subject: Ebay VAX 11/780 Stockton, CA
On 12/05/2012 09:48 AM, P Gebhardt wrote:
Yeah, these systems seem to *always* show up in the
US, only :(
I beg to differ, a friend of mine (and cctalk reader):
http://www.foxdata.com/blog/?cat=81
/P
2:48 a.m.
New subject: Ebay VAX 11/780 Stockton, CA
On 12/05/2012 09:48 AM, P Gebhardt wrote:
Ok, that's great! It's just that during the last years, I've never heard
anything about a VAX 11/780 changing places and owners in Europe.
That now changes my perspective a bit :)
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Yeah, these systems seem to *always* show up in
the US, only :(
I beg to differ, a friend of mine (and cctalk reader):
http://www.foxdata.com/blog/?cat=81
/P
11:30 a.m.
New subject: Ebay VAX 11/780 Stockton, CA
On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 10:48:31 +0000 (GMT)
P Gebhardt <p.gebhardt at ymail.com> wrote:
Ok, that's great! It's just that during the
last years, I've never heard
anything about a VAX 11/780 changing places and owners in Europe.
Quite some years
back there was a picture of an 11/780 on the
NetBSD/VAX port page. It had two subtitles:
"Not all VAXen are this big (7.2 m), but only the funy ones."
The other was:
"Old VAXen never die. They just move north."
Ragge, the NetBSD/VAX portmaster, later told us "Ohh, that is quite
incorrect. We extended that VAX meanwhile and now it is about 9.5 m
long."
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2:50 p.m.
New subject: Ebay VAX 11/780 Stockton, CA
3:06 p.m.
New subject: Ebay VAX 11/780 Stockton, CA
On 12/5/2012 2:50 PM, Adrian Stoness wrote:
I saw those the other day. I felt left out of the whole model thing but,
I'm not spending $150 on ebay ones. I bought these the other day
http://imgur.com/a/p489Y. Anyone want to tell me what they are ? Seller
said they were military from the 60's.
3:24 p.m.
New subject: Ebay VAX 11/780 Stockton, CA
i paid that with shipping for my phillips p1000 model witch is prolly the
only surviving one of 3 made
http://www.flickr.com/photos/1ajs/7944707284/in/photostream/lightbox/
from what i have been able to find out about the system
also got a scan of
a paper model cut out for the p1100
woulda been nice to have a dec model to go with my phillips model o well
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:06 PM, mc68010 <mc68010 at gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/5/2012 2:50 PM, Adrian Stoness wrote:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/**150957164633?ssPageName=STRK:**
MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1426.**l2649damit<http://www.ebay.com/itm/1…
i lost by 2$
I saw those the other day. I felt left out of the whole model thing but,
I'm not spending $150 on ebay ones. I bought these the other day
http://imgur.com/a/p489Y. Anyone want to tell me what they are ? Seller
said they were military from the 60's.
3:31 p.m.
New subject: Ebay VAX 11/780 Stockton, CA
On 12/5/2012 3:24 PM, Adrian Stoness wrote:
i paid that with shipping for my phillips p1000 model
witch is prolly the
only surviving one of 3 made
http://www.flickr.com/photos/1ajs/7944707284/in/photostream/lightbox/
from what i have been able to find out about the system also got a scan of
a paper model cut out for the p1100
woulda been nice to have a dec model to go with my phillips model o well
I would say they are very collectible. They weren't made to last forever
and there probably weren't many made. That's pretty much the definition
of collectible. They are cool. I still think reproducing them would be
a great project for someone with the right skills and tools.
4:04 p.m.
New subject: Ebay VAX 11/780 Stockton, CA
I saw those the other day. I felt left out of the
whole model thing but, I'm
not spending $150 on ebay ones. I bought these the other day
http://imgur.com/a/p489Y. Anyone want to tell me what they are ? Seller said
they were military from the 60's.
Yes, the thing with the drawers is a pretty standard cabinet for Navy
equipment made by Univac in the 1960s.
--
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4:12 p.m.
New subject: Ebay VAX 11/780 Stockton, CA
On 12/5/2012 4:04 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
That's what I figured. I made another thread for the question thinking
nobody would see it here. Sorry for the duplicate question.
I saw those
the other day. I felt left out of the whole model thing but, I'm
not spending $150 on ebay ones. I bought these the other day
http://imgur.com/a/p489Y. Anyone want to tell me what they are ? Seller said
they were military from the 60's.
Yes, the thing with the drawers is a pretty
standard cabinet for Navy
equipment made by Univac in the 1960s.
8 Dec
8 Dec
9:19 p.m.
New subject: Interesting UNIVAC stuff
Interesting stuff but, looks like they dug it up after Hurricane Sandy.
Is picking water damaged paper tape more relaxing or less ?
http://www.ebay.com/sch/frozen-planet/m.html?item=230894597943
10:15 p.m.
New subject: Interesting UNIVAC stuff
On 2012 Dec 8, at 9:19 PM, mc68010 wrote:
Interesting stuff but, looks like they dug it up after
Hurricane
Sandy. Is picking water damaged paper tape more relaxing or less ?
http://www.ebay.com/sch/frozen-planet/m.html?item=230894597943
The guy's descriptions leave a little to be desired ("c1950's UNIVAC
protoype board" .. except it has ICs on it, with 1970's date codes),
but the photos on his web site are interesting:
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze6z4sv/index.html
Time warp to 1965, with a slight increase in entropy.
10:34 p.m.
New subject: Interesting UNIVAC stuff
On 12/8/2012 10:15 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote:
On 2012 Dec 8, at 9:19 PM, mc68010 wrote:
I totally missed that. Amazing pictures. Wish there were more. It is
hard to imagine a company just abandoning gear like that today.
Creditors would have made sure every last bit of wire was accounted
for. Actually I wonder if he wasn't just stealing. Was it actually
abandoned ?
Interesting stuff but, looks like they dug it up
after Hurricane
Sandy. Is picking water damaged paper tape more relaxing or less ?
http://www.ebay.com/sch/frozen-planet/m.html?item=230894597943
The guy's descriptions leave a little to be desired ("c1950's UNIVAC
protoype board" .. except it has ICs on it, with 1970's date codes),
but the photos on his web site are interesting:
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze6z4sv/index.html
Time warp to 1965, with a slight increase in entropy.
10:45 p.m.
New subject: Interesting UNIVAC stuff
be surprized how much of this stuff sits in abandoned buildings
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 12:34 AM, mc68010 <mc68010 at gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/8/2012 10:15 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote:
On 2012 Dec 8, at 9:19 PM, mc68010 wrote:
I totally missed that. Amazing pictures. Wish there were more. It is hard
to imagine a company just abandoning gear like that today. Creditors would
have made sure every last bit of wire was accounted for. Actually I wonder
if he wasn't just stealing. Was it actually abandoned ?
Interesting stuff but, looks like they dug it up
after Hurricane Sandy.
Is picking water damaged paper tape more relaxing or less ?
http://www.ebay.com/sch/**frozen-planet/m.html?item=**230894597943<http:…
The guy's descriptions leave a little to be desired ("c1950's UNIVAC
protoype board" .. except it has ICs on it, with 1970's date codes), but
the photos on his web site are interesting:
http://mysite.verizon.net/**vze6z4sv/index.html<http://mysite.verizon.ne…
Time warp to 1965, with a slight increase in entropy.
10:48 p.m.
New subject: Interesting UNIVAC stuff
trys for the box of punched tape would go nice with the jerrel ash
collection i have and i can make a copy of it for someone to archive it as
i dunno how to hook a h10 up to a modern computer
11:01 p.m.
New subject: Interesting UNIVAC stuff
On 12/8/2012 10:45 PM, Adrian Stoness wrote:
be surprized how much of this stuff sits in abandoned
buildings
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 12:34 AM, mc68010 <mc68010 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I totally missed that. Amazing pictures. Wish there were more. It is hard
> to imagine a company just abandoning gear like that today. Creditors would
> have made sure every last bit of wire was accounted for. Actually I wonder
> if he wasn't just stealing. Was it actually abandoned ?
>
I understand but, a lot of times it isn't actually abandoned. I don't
have enough info to slightly tell in this case. It could be on the books
somewhere just they don't care enough to deal with the stuff in the room
or it was kinda lost. I would guess it does at least belong to the owner
of the building. If the elevator still worked and other floors were
occupied it really wasn't an abandoned building. I am glad they saved
stuff at any rate but, I am not sure it is really an abandoned building
or gear. The test gear looks neatly piled and organized. Only the paper
item and scrap is tossed in piles. Who knows though.
11:10 p.m.
New subject: Interesting UNIVAC stuff
be surprized. i do urban exploration and see allot.... some people have
spots their doing stuff then something happens and they close the door and
just don't care and the place sits sits and sits... got a good example of a
factory like that here....
11:15 p.m.
New subject: Interesting UNIVAC stuff
they prolly were in there ligit and negoiated in some way to get it as it
was now costing the owner nothing to get rid of this "junk".
5 Dec
5 Dec
3:02 a.m.
New subject: Ebay VAX 11/780 Stockton, CA
On Tue, 2012-12-04 14:21:47 -0800, mc68010 <mc68010 at gmail.com> wrote:
This one is very close to me and that just makes it
hurt even more.
If someone wants to buy this for me for xmas they are free to do so.
It looks pretty loaded too.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200859112804
What a nice box! I'd buy it without thinking a second about it, but
it's too far away and shipping it to Germany is probably out of scope
:(
MfG, JBG
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3:50 p.m.
New subject: Can anyone ID these 1960's military computer models ?
I posted this inside another thread but, really it has nothing to with
that thread and it should have a life of it's own.
I am curious if anyone recognizes what these may be. The seller told me
they were military surplus from the 1960's. I guess I could see that.
The cpu (or whatever) looks pretty hardened. Maybe ships computers of
some sort ?
They aren't very big. Only about 3" tall with magnetic tape on the bottom.
Here's pics http://imgur.com/a/p489Y
4:26 p.m.
New subject: Can anyone ID these 1960's military computer models ?
On 12/5/12 3:50 PM, mc68010 wrote:
I posted this inside another thread but, really it has
nothing to with that thread and it should have a life of it's own.
I am curious if anyone recognizes what these may be. The seller told me they were
military surplus from the 1960's. I guess I could see that. The cpu (or whatever)
looks pretty hardened. Maybe ships
computers of some sort ?
They aren't very big. Only about 3" tall with magnetic tape on the bottom.
NTDS (AN/USQ-20)
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/accession/X184.83
4:40 p.m.
New subject: Can anyone ID these 1960's military computer models ?
On 12/5/2012 4:26 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 12/5/12 3:50 PM, mc68010 wrote:
NTDS (AN/USQ-20)
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/accession/X184.83
Neat. Thanks again Al.
The CHM entry says:
Input and Output: Punched cards, paper tape, CRT
My little model looks like a tape drive. It is isn't it ?
It's interesting that the Navy still used these actively on ships until
the 1990's. I was going to say $500k was a lot of money but, seems like
they got enough use out of them.
Some interesting info here if anyone is curious :
http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/univac-ntds.html
4:46 p.m.
New subject: Can anyone ID these 1960's military computer models ?
On 12/5/2012 4:26 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 12/5/12 3:50 PM, mc68010 wrote:
good catch. I see
from the actual photo that what appears to be
something that could take peripherals, probably are trays for large
components.
I posted this inside another thread but, really
it has nothing to
with that thread and it should have a life of it's own.
I am curious if anyone recognizes what these may be. The seller told
me they were military surplus from the 1960's. I guess I could see
that. The cpu (or whatever) looks pretty hardened. Maybe ships
computers of some sort ?
They aren't very big. Only about 3" tall with magnetic tape on the
bottom.
NTDS (AN/USQ-20)
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/accession/X184.83
11:53 p.m.
New subject: Can anyone ID these 1960's military computer models ?
looks like thats a vacume tape drive
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:46 PM, jim s <jwsmail at jwsss.com> wrote:
On 12/5/2012 4:26 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 12/5/12 3:50 PM, mc68010 wrote:
good catch. I see from the actual photo that what appears to be something
that could take peripherals, probably are trays for large components.
I posted this inside another thread but, really
it has nothing to with
that thread and it should have a life of it's own.
I am curious if anyone recognizes what these may be. The seller told me
they were military surplus from the 1960's. I guess I could see that. The
cpu (or whatever) looks pretty hardened. Maybe ships
computers of some sort ?
They aren't very big. Only about 3" tall with magnetic tape on the
bottom.
NTDS (AN/USQ-20)
http://www.computerhistory.**org/collections/accession/**X184.83<http://…
7 Dec
7 Dec
1:49 p.m.
New subject: Can anyone ID these 1960's military computer models ?
On 12/5/2012 11:53 PM, Adrian Stoness wrote:
looks like thats a vacume tape drive
I just got them in the mail today. They went to the trouble of running
what looks like actual magnetic tape around the reels and into loops in
each window. The computer guts appear to be a small photograph on an
actual system glued on. I wonder what these were originally for. There
are no markings at all on them. Since none of the info I found online
mentions a tape drive for these and the tape drive is way over detailed
maybe it was someone trying to sell the Navy a tape drive for these.
10 Dec
10 Dec
10:36 p.m.
New subject: Can anyone ID these 1960's military computer models ?
On 12/7/2012 1:49 PM, mc68010 wrote:
On 12/5/2012 11:53 PM, Adrian Stoness wrote:
In the downtime I missed a couple of responses. Here is a pic with a
reference for scale. It's a model m keyboard. I had had a bit of a
coffee issue this morning. Ignore the random stains.
http://imgur.com/a/1BCqD#G46Oc
looks like thats a vacume tape drive
I just got them in the mail today. They went to the trouble of running
what looks like actual magnetic tape around the reels and into loops
in each window. The computer guts appear to be a small photograph on
an actual system glued on. I wonder what these were originally for.
There are no markings at all on them. Since none of the info I found
online mentions a tape drive for these and the tape drive is way over
detailed maybe it was someone trying to sell the Navy a tape drive for
these.
5 Dec
5 Dec
4:37 p.m.
New subject: Can anyone ID these 1960's military computer models ?
On 12/5/2012 3:50 PM, mc68010 wrote:
I posted this inside another thread but, really it has
nothing to with
that thread and it should have a life of it's own.
I am curious if anyone recognizes what these may be. The seller told
me they were military surplus from the 1960's. I guess I could see
that. The cpu (or whatever) looks pretty hardened. Maybe ships
computers of some sort ?
They aren't very big. Only about 3" tall with magnetic tape on the
bottom.
Here's pics http://imgur.com/a/p489Y
This could be late 70's or early 80's style mini. Reel to Reel didn't
go out in the 60's, and the rack arrangement on the front of the other
box looks late than anything I'e seen on a 60's style system. Looks
more like it could even be into the smaller disk drive peripheral age.
What evidence makes you think it is 60's. I'm guessing the reel to reel
drive, but you may know where they came from and how old they are.
The magnet tape on the bottom gets me though, makes no sense.
If I were pressed, it could be any of a number of early tape ATL's with
backing storage. Storage TEch went down the tubes with something like
this, and were still trying to sell reel to reel then. The concept
really took off with square tapes, but Storage Tech was too early, and
the product didn't work either. Should have stuck to making tape drives.
jim
6 Dec
6 Dec
3:40 a.m.
New subject: Can anyone ID these 1960's military computer models ?
There's noting to give you an idea of scale.
However they could be film miniatures from one of many 60/70's films or TV
shows.
Regards
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Subject: Re: Can anyone ID these 1960's military computer models ?
On 12/5/2012 3:50 PM, mc68010 wrote:
I posted this inside another thread but, really it has
nothing to with
that thread and it should have a life of it's own.
I am curious if anyone recognizes what these may be. The seller told
me they were military surplus from the 1960's. I guess I could see
that. The cpu (or whatever) looks pretty hardened. Maybe ships
computers of some sort ?
They aren't very big. Only about 3" tall with magnetic tape on the
bottom.
Here's pics http://imgur.com/a/p489Y
This could be late 70's or early 80's style mini. Reel to Reel didn't
go out in the 60's, and the rack arrangement on the front of the other
box looks late than anything I'e seen on a 60's style system. Looks
more like it could even be into the smaller disk drive peripheral age.
What evidence makes you think it is 60's. I'm guessing the reel to reel
drive, but you may know where they came from and how old they are.
The magnet tape on the bottom gets me though, makes no sense.
If I were pressed, it could be any of a number of early tape ATL's with
backing storage. Storage TEch went down the tubes with something like
this, and were still trying to sell reel to reel then. The concept
really took off with square tapes, but Storage Tech was too early, and
the product didn't work either. Should have stuck to making tape drives.
jim
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