Rumor has it that Mike Cheponis may have mentioned these words: I can honestly say that is where you and I differ greatly: the definition of "obsolete." My CoCo3 is *not* obsolete. It plays Rogue wonderfully (the PC port sucked canal water), keeps track of my coin collection (Dynacalc is a wonderful thing) and other tasks. My Atari ST isn't obsolete, either. I have a geneology program that works wonderfully, and I use it to print mailing lists - you don't need a PentiumIII to print mailing labels on a 24-pin... (Why don't I use my 15-year-old Epson LX-80? It didn't have tractor-feed... :-( ) Neither has a hard drive... they don't need one for the tasks which I find useful on them. Web browsing on either? I may be crazy, but I'm not stupid. ;-) They weren't designed for that, no more than a Hyundai was designed to pull a 32-foot travel trailer... [[BTW, just to clear things up - in a previous post you mentioned "and why more and more L2 cache is onboad the PIII modules." Hate to tell you this, but the PII & PIII's *never* changed their cache size or (relative) speed. 512K Level2 Cache, running at 1/2 clock speed of the processor. The Xeon processors (both PII & PIII versions) come in 512K, 1M & 2M cache sizes that run at the processor clock speed.]] Obviously, my definition is: If it still works, it's not obsolete. Just my $0.0000000000002 (USD), Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.