2 Feb
2014
2 Feb
'14
10:40 a.m.
wow
won some manuals cheap, then sent a message to see if they would combine shipping.
the seller canceled all of the auctions, and apparently there is no recourse from the
buyer.
read his reply for yourself.
this is the first time in 5000+ ebay deals that someone backed out after asking for
combined shipping.
beware..
his 'justification'
Dear al_kossow,
1. You won several items yesterday.
2. I sent you an invoice for the total amount.
3. You emailed your disagreement over the terms of your purchase.
4. Therefore, we do not agree over the terms of the transaction.
4. So I filed the appropriate request to cancel the transaction with ebay.
Now, you have suddenly changed your mind and claim that your purchase was a "Binding
Contract"?
Sounds like you want your cake and eat it, too.
First, you engage in feedback extortion to try coerce me to lower the purchase price.
Then, when you did not get your way, you attempt to compel me to go through with the
transaction.
Unfortunately, when you expressed your disagreement over the terms of the sale, it was
obvious that there was no meeting of the minds in this transaction. As such, there is no
contract. We both agreed
to cancel the transaction and that is ok. I am sorry you were disappointed in the terms. I
have refunded your paypal payment. You are whole.
I am just curious as to where else you can buy something and then negotiate the terms of
the transaction.
After you have filled up your gas tank, do you then ask the gas station for a discount?
2 Feb
2 Feb
10:46 a.m.
Pretty amusing response to combining shipping from several auctions, which
is that sparkling new fad that's only been going on for fifteen years.
Also, his gas metaphor is off. You bought 100 gallons of gas and were
asking if he could put it in one can instead of five small ones.
On Sunday, February 2, 2014, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
wow
won some manuals cheap, then sent a message to see if they would combine
shipping.
the seller canceled all of the auctions, and apparently there is no
recourse from the buyer.
read his reply for yourself.
this is the first time in 5000+ ebay deals that someone backed out after
asking for combined shipping.
beware..
his 'justification'
Dear al_kossow,
1. You won several items yesterday.
2. I sent you an invoice for the total amount.
3. You emailed your disagreement over the terms of your purchase.
4. Therefore, we do not agree over the terms of the transaction.
4. So I filed the appropriate request to cancel the transaction with ebay.
Now, you have suddenly changed your mind and claim that your purchase was
a "Binding Contract"?
Sounds like you want your cake and eat it, too.
First, you engage in feedback extortion to try coerce me to lower the
purchase price.
Then, when you did not get your way, you attempt to compel me to go
through with the transaction.
Unfortunately, when you expressed your disagreement over the terms of the
sale, it was obvious that there was no meeting of the minds in this
transaction. As such, there is no contract. We both agreed to cancel the
transaction and that is ok. I am sorry you were disappointed in the terms.
I have refunded your paypal payment. You are whole.
I am just curious as to where else you can buy something and then
negotiate the terms of the transaction.
After you have filled up your gas tank, do you then ask the gas station
for a discount?
10:57 a.m.
On Sun, 2 Feb 2014, Al Kossow wrote:
wow
won some manuals cheap, then sent a message to see if they would combine
shipping.
the seller canceled all of the auctions, and apparently there is no recourse
from the buyer.
read his reply for yourself.
this is the first time in 5000+ ebay deals that someone backed out after
asking for combined shipping.
beware..
his 'justification'
Dear al_kossow,
1. You won several items yesterday.
2. I sent you an invoice for the total amount.
3. You emailed your disagreement over the terms of your purchase.
4. Therefore, we do not agree over the terms of the transaction.
4. So I filed the appropriate request to cancel the transaction with ebay.
Now, you have suddenly changed your mind and claim that your purchase was a
"Binding Contract"?
Sounds like you want your cake and eat it, too.
First, you engage in feedback extortion to try coerce me to lower the
purchase price.
Then, when you did not get your way, you attempt to compel me to go through
with the transaction.
Unfortunately, when you expressed your disagreement over the terms of the
sale, it was obvious that there was no meeting of the minds in this
transaction. As such, there is no contract. We both agreed to cancel the
transaction and that is ok. I am sorry you were disappointed in the terms. I
have refunded your paypal payment. You are whole.
I am just curious as to where else you can buy something and then negotiate
the terms of the transaction.
After you have filled up your gas tank, do you then ask the gas station for a
discount?
That tirade was a response to a simple request? Someone must be off their
meds...
--
11:13 a.m.
On 2/2/14 10:57 AM, Steven Hirsch wrote:
On Sun, 2 Feb 2014, Al Kossow wrote:
for the record, the two msgs I sent to him were:
"could you send an invoice with combined shipping for the S-100 manuals from the
auctions that closed yesterday? $14 seems high."
and before he actually canceled the auctions, I paid for them and said
"you've been paid, and the auctions are a binding contract to deliver what was
sold."
Apparently, they aren't. You can cancel them even if both parties did NOT agree to it
do so on the disputes page.
wow
won some manuals cheap, then sent a message to see if they would combine shipping.
the seller canceled all of the auctions, and apparently there is no recourse from the
buyer.
read his reply for yourself.
this is the first time in 5000+ ebay deals that someone backed out after asking for
combined shipping.
beware..
his 'justification'
Dear al_kossow,
1. You won several items yesterday.
2. I sent you an invoice for the total amount.
3. You emailed your disagreement over the terms of your purchase.
4. Therefore, we do not agree over the terms of the transaction.
4. So I filed the appropriate request to cancel the transaction with ebay.
Now, you have suddenly changed your mind and claim that your purchase was a "Binding
Contract"?
Sounds like you want your cake and eat it, too.
First, you engage in feedback extortion to try coerce me to lower the purchase price.
Then, when you did not get your way, you attempt to compel me to go through with the
transaction.
Unfortunately, when you expressed your disagreement over the terms of the sale, it was
obvious that there was no meeting of the minds in this transaction. As such, there is no
contract. We both
agreed to cancel the transaction and that is ok. I am sorry you were disappointed in the
terms. I have refunded your paypal payment. You are whole.
I am just curious as to where else you can buy something and then negotiate the terms of
the transaction.
After you have filled up your gas tank, do you then ask the gas station for a discount?
That tirade was a response to a simple request? Someone must be off their meds...
11:56 a.m.
On 02/02/2014 19:13, Al Kossow wrote:
On 2/2/14 10:57 AM, Steven Hirsch wrote:
By cancelling the auction he has prevented you from leaving feedback
about the high price of postage...
.. Possibly had some one complain in the past...
Dave
On Sun, 2 Feb 2014, Al Kossow wrote:
for the record, the two msgs I sent to him were:
"could you send an invoice with combined shipping for the S-100
manuals from the auctions that closed yesterday? $14 seems high."
and before he actually canceled the auctions, I paid for them and said
"you've been paid, and the auctions are a binding contract to deliver
what was sold."
Apparently, they aren't. You can cancel them even if both parties did
NOT agree to it do so on the disputes page.
wow
won some manuals cheap, then sent a message to see if they would
combine shipping.
the seller canceled all of the auctions, and apparently there is no
recourse from the buyer.
read his reply for yourself.
this is the first time in 5000+ ebay deals that someone backed out
after asking for combined shipping.
beware..
his 'justification'
Dear al_kossow,
1. You won several items yesterday.
2. I sent you an invoice for the total amount.
3. You emailed your disagreement over the terms of your purchase.
4. Therefore, we do not agree over the terms of the transaction.
4. So I filed the appropriate request to cancel the transaction with
ebay.
Now, you have suddenly changed your mind and claim that your
purchase was a "Binding Contract"?
Sounds like you want your cake and eat it, too.
First, you engage in feedback extortion to try coerce me to lower
the purchase price.
Then, when you did not get your way, you attempt to compel me to go
through with the transaction.
Unfortunately, when you expressed your disagreement over the terms
of the sale, it was obvious that there was no meeting of the minds
in this transaction. As such, there is no contract. We both
agreed to cancel the transaction and that is ok. I am sorry you were
disappointed in the terms. I have refunded your paypal payment. You
are whole.
I am just curious as to where else you can buy something and then
negotiate the terms of the transaction.
After you have filled up your gas tank, do you then ask the gas
station for a discount?
That tirade was a response to a simple request? Someone must be off
their meds...
2:38 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Al Kossow
Sent: 02 February 2014 19:13
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: beware of "andananautions"
On 2/2/14 10:57 AM, Steven Hirsch wrote:
recourse
On Sun, 2 Feb 2014, Al Kossow wrote:
> wow
>
> won some manuals cheap, then sent a message to see if they would
combine
shipping.
>>
>> the seller canceled all of the auctions, and apparently there is no
from the buyer.
>>
>> read his reply for yourself.
>>
>> this is the first time in 5000+ ebay deals that someone backed out
after
asking for combined shipping.
>>
>> beware..
>>
>> his 'justification'
>>
>> Dear al_kossow,
>>
>> 1. You won several items yesterday.
>> 2. I sent you an invoice for the total amount.
>> 3. You emailed your disagreement over the terms of your purchase.
>> 4. Therefore, we do not agree over the terms of the transaction.
>> 4. So I filed the appropriate request to cancel the transaction with
ebay.
>
> Now, you have suddenly changed your mind and claim that your purchase
was a
"Binding Contract"?
> Sounds like you want your cake and eat it,
too.
> First, you engage in feedback extortion to try coerce me to lower the
purchase
price.
> Then, when you did not get your way, you
attempt to compel me to go
through with the transaction.
>
> Unfortunately, when you expressed your disagreement over the terms of
> the sale, it was obvious that there was no meeting of the minds in this
transaction. As such, there is no contract. We both agreed to cancel the
transaction and that is ok. I am sorry you were disappointed in the terms. have refunded your paypal payment. You are whole.
for
>
> I am just curious as to where else you can buy something and then
negotiate
the terms of the transaction.
>> After you have filled up your gas tank, do you then ask the gas station
a discount?
for the record, the two msgs I sent to him were:
"could you send an invoice with combined shipping for the S-100 manuals
from the auctions that closed yesterday? $14 seems high."
and before he actually canceled the auctions, I paid for them and said
"you've been paid, and the auctions are a binding contract to deliver what
was sold."
Apparently, they aren't. You can cancel them even if both parties did NOT
agree to it do so on the disputes page.
Personally I would have stated my request a little differently, but it still
does not justify the tirade you got. I would complain to eBay.
Regards
Rob
That tirade was a response to a simple request? Someone must be off
their
meds...
11:19 a.m.
On 02/02/2014 12:57 PM, Steven Hirsch wrote:
On Sun, 2 Feb 2014, Al Kossow wrote:
I am not a lawyer. I have heard that it is not legal for them to do so.
At least not in the USA. Might be against ebay policy. You should at the
very least report to ebay.
wow
won some manuals cheap, then sent a message to see if they would
combine shipping.
the seller canceled all of the auctions, and apparently there is no
recourse from the buyer.
read his reply for yourself.
this is the first time in 5000+ ebay deals that someone backed out
after asking for combined shipping.
beware..
his 'justification'
Dear al_kossow,
1. You won several items yesterday.
2. I sent you an invoice for the total amount.
3. You emailed your disagreement over the terms of your purchase.
4. Therefore, we do not agree over the terms of the transaction.
4. So I filed the appropriate request to cancel the transaction with
ebay.
Now, you have suddenly changed your mind and claim that your purchase
was a "Binding Contract"?
Sounds like you want your cake and eat it, too.
First, you engage in feedback extortion to try coerce me to lower the
purchase price.
Then, when you did not get your way, you attempt to compel me to go
through with the transaction.
Unfortunately, when you expressed your disagreement over the terms of
the sale, it was obvious that there was no meeting of the minds in
this transaction. As such, there is no contract. We both agreed to
cancel the transaction and that is ok. I am sorry you were
disappointed in the terms. I have refunded your paypal payment. You
are whole.
I am just curious as to where else you can buy something and then
negotiate the terms of the transaction.
After you have filled up your gas tank, do you then ask the gas
station for a discount?
That tirade was a response to a simple request? Someone must be off
their meds...
12:14 p.m.
On 02/02/2014 10:40 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
wow
won some manuals cheap, then sent a message to see if they would
combine shipping.
the seller canceled all of the auctions, and apparently there is no
recourse from the buyer.
read his reply for yourself.
this is the first time in 5000+ ebay deals that someone backed out
after asking for combined shipping.
beware..
his 'justification'
Dear al_kossow,
1. You won several items yesterday.
2. I sent you an invoice for the total amount.
3. You emailed your disagreement over the terms of your purchase.
4. Therefore, we do not agree over the terms of the transaction.
4. So I filed the appropriate request to cancel the transaction with
ebay.
Now, you have suddenly changed your mind and claim that your purchase
was a "Binding Contract"?
Sounds like you want your cake and eat it, too.
First, you engage in feedback extortion to try coerce me to lower the
purchase price.
Then, when you did not get your way, you attempt to compel me to go
through with the transaction.
Unfortunately, when you expressed your disagreement over the terms of
the sale, it was obvious that there was no meeting of the minds in
this transaction. As such, there is no contract. We both agreed to
cancel the transaction and that is ok. I am sorry you were
disappointed in the terms. I have refunded your paypal payment. You
are whole.
I am just curious as to where else you can buy something and then
negotiate the terms of the transaction.
After you have filled up your gas tank, do you then ask the gas
station for a discount?
Curious - I find no ebay listings at all for "andananautions" either
open or closed. Typo?
Certainly I've never had a response like that when I've asked sellers to
combine shipping!
John :-#)#
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