22 Nov
2016
22 Nov
'16
1:11 a.m.
what is it? looks too new for me,.... do not remember this one....
Ed#
In a message dated 11/21/2016 9:30:06 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
drlegendre at gmail.com writes:
The vintage computing world is in your debt, Steven.. ;-)
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Steven Maresca <steve.maresca at gmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 10:50 PM, Ian Finder
<ian.finder at gmail.com>
wrote:
Someone go rescue this:
http://nwct.craigslist.org/zip/5886266424.html
Or palletize it and send it to me.
--
Ian Finder
(206) 395-MIPS
ian.finder at gmail.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ian.finder at gmail.com');>
--
Ian Finder
(206) 395-MIPS
ian.finder at gmail.com
I'm in CT close enough to make a rescue..I've reached out to the poster.
Regards,
Steve
22 Nov
22 Nov
2:31 a.m.
The IBM Series/1 was introduced in 1976 and withdrawn in 1988. There were
originally 2 models and another 2 models were added later. I always knew
them by their code names ? different varieties of peaches?so named because
they were developed by IBM?s GSD division which was headquartered in
Atlanta, GA (even though all of the development was done in Boca Raton, FL).
TTFN - Guy
On Nov 21, 2016, at 10:11 PM, COURYHOUSE at aol.com
wrote:
what is it? looks too new for me,.... do not remember this one....
Ed#
In a message dated 11/21/2016 9:30:06 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
drlegendre at gmail.com writes:
The vintage computing world is in your debt, Steven.. ;-)
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Steven Maresca <steve.maresca at gmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 10:50 PM, Ian Finder
<ian.finder at gmail.com>
wrote:
Someone go rescue this:
http://nwct.craigslist.org/zip/5886266424.html
Or palletize it and send it to me.
--
Ian Finder
(206) 395-MIPS
ian.finder at gmail.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ian.finder at gmail.com');>
--
Ian Finder
(206) 395-MIPS
ian.finder at gmail.com
I'm in CT close enough to make a rescue..I've reached out to the
poster.
Regards,
Steve
6:33 a.m.
When I worked on the UK Universities X.25 networking software we used Series/1s for
interfacing the x.25 to VM/370 as IBM had X.25 and Channel hardware for the s/1.
Dave
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Sotomayor Jr
Sent: 22 November 2016 07:31
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
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Subject: Re: Free IBM system/1(?) in eastern US.
The IBM Series/1 was introduced in 1976 and withdrawn in 1988. There were
originally 2 models and another 2 models were added later. I always knew
them by their code names ? different varieties of peaches?so named
because they were developed by IBM?s GSD division which was
headquartered in Atlanta, GA (even though all of the development was done
in Boca Raton, FL).
TTFN - Guy
> On Nov 21, 2016, at 10:11 PM, COURYHOUSE at aol.com wrote:
>
> what is it? looks too new for me,.... do not remember this one....
> Ed#
>
>
> In a message dated 11/21/2016 9:30:06 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> drlegendre at gmail.com writes:
>
> The vintage computing world is in your debt, Steven.. ;-)
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Steven Maresca
> <steve.maresca at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 10:50 PM, Ian Finder <ian.finder at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> Someone go rescue this:
>>> http://nwct.craigslist.org/zip/5886266424.html
>>>
>>> Or palletize it and send it to me.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ian Finder
>>> (206) 395-MIPS
>>> ian.finder at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ian.finder at
gmail.com');>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ian Finder
>>> (206) 395-MIPS
>>> ian.finder at gmail.com
>>>
>> I'm in CT close enough to make a rescue..I've reached out to the
poster.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Steve
>>
>
11:22 a.m.
The IBM Series/1 was introduced in 1976 and withdrawn
in 1988. There were
originally 2 models and another 2 models were added later. I always knew
them by their code names ? different varieties of peaches?so named because
they were developed by IBM?s GSD division which was headquartered in
Atlanta, GA (even though all of the development was done in Boca Raton, FL).
We'd get it for the VCFed museum, but we already have one and
time/bandwidth are spread thin right now.
12:11 p.m.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:31 AM, Guy Sotomayor Jr <ggs at shiresoft.com> wrote:
The IBM Series/1 was introduced in 1976 and withdrawn
in 1988. There were
originally 2 models and another 2 models were added later...
ISTR having to mod our 3780 COMBOARD code to talk to a Series/1 in
about 1992 or so because someone in WI bought our VAXBI COMBOARD to
send EDI purchase reqs to a vendor network run by IBM and the device
on the other end of our customer's modem was a Series/1 that didn't
quite exactly implement 3780 like all the IBM products before it.
-ethan
1:09 p.m.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:31 AM, Guy Sotomayor Jr
<ggs at shiresoft.com>
wrote:
Whomever gets this, I donated my Series/1 to the VCFed Museum in Wall NJ,
and if you want to check it out for comparison purposes, I would be happy
to help set up an appointment to inspect it. Also, I have some notes about
the system I had, which is very similar to the Series/1 on craigslist. I
was able to IPL it, but did not do much else.
http://www.vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=12
http://www.vintagecomputer.net/ibm/Series1/
http://www.vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=206
Bill
The IBM Series/1 was introduced in 1976 and
withdrawn in 1988. There
were
originally 2 models and another 2 models were
added later...
ISTR having to mod our 3780 COMBOARD code to talk to a Series/1 in
about 1992 or so because someone in WI bought our VAXBI COMBOARD to
send EDI purchase reqs to a vendor network run by IBM and the device
on the other end of our customer's modem was a Series/1 that didn't
quite exactly implement 3780 like all the IBM products before it.
-ethan
2:31 p.m.
On 11/22/2016 10:09 AM, william degnan wrote:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:31 AM, Guy Sotomayor
Jr<ggs at shiresoft.com>
>wrote:
> > >The IBM Series/1 was introduced in 1976 and withdrawn in 1988. There
>were
> > >originally 2 models and another 2 models were added later...
Ultimate's Pick implementation for the IBM mainframe had a channel
attached Series One with serial channels available for communications to
IBM 3151 ASCII terminals. if you ran the usual pile that IBM had, there
was a program that ran in the Series one that put up a screen similar to
a 3270 on each 3151 terminal, and acted much like a 3270 terminal, but
with Ascii terminals and using cursor control and the like to do the
screens.
A standalone controller, the 7171 also did that as well.
On the 9121 mainframes there was a 68000 equipped board and subsystem
called the Hyfas that did the same directly from boards in the 9121 chassis.
IBM disclosed Ultimate on a method to bypass the 3270 software and do
direct I/O for byte I/O to use the terminals on all three of these
subsystems like direct attached Ascii terminals.
Also there was a Pick Series one implementation by Pick Blue in Seattle.
I also know that some number of Sears Roebuck stores had Series One
systems for their POS control in each store up to the end of life of
pretty much a real Sears chain, and the product. There was a large
flood of systems at the time that the IBM POS systems were converted to
some other backend system (I didn't track what the replacement
configuration was).
I've not set foot in a Sears store in 30 years due to them screwing me
in 1976, so don't know much about any of their gear since, but I am
pretty sure on the Series One from some people who acquired systems at
that time, in the early 90s.
5:56 p.m.
On 2016-11-22 3:31 PM, jim stephens wrote:
On 11/22/2016 10:09 AM, william degnan wrote:
I understand that the Sears stores in the US replaced their Series/1
machines with a 9371, Sears Canada replaced theirs with a small AIX
system as did the late Eatons Dept store. State Farm Insurance agents
used to have Series/1 machines in their offices, they too replaced them
with 9271s. The machines in the Sears stores stores did not have the
operator panel, nor did they have a diskette drive so if you wanted to
run diagnostics on them you had to haul these items packaged as a CE
tool to the site with you. The biggest problem with servicing Series/1
was they where so reliable that unless you where maintaining a lot of
them you never got good at them.
The channel adapter on the Series/1 had a rather large flaw, if you did
not disable the interface before shutting down the Series/1 it would
upset the channel it was attached to causing a flurry of channel checks
that could bring the host system to its knees. When I worked in the IBM
Toronto Lab we had two channel attached Series/1 machines with 72MD
diskette units that we used to create diskettes from images sent to us
and also to send diskette images. These Series/1s pretended to be a
3270 control unit so that the MVS host system knew how to talk to them.
Paul.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:31 AM, Guy Sotomayor
Jr<ggs at shiresoft.com>
>wrote:
> > >The IBM Series/1 was introduced in 1976 and withdrawn in 1988.
> There
>were
> > >originally 2 models and another 2 models were added later...
Ultimate's Pick implementation for the IBM mainframe had a channel
attached Series One with serial channels available for communications
to IBM 3151 ASCII terminals. if you ran the usual pile that IBM had,
there was a program that ran in the Series one that put up a screen
similar to a 3270 on each 3151 terminal, and acted much like a 3270
terminal, but with Ascii terminals and using cursor control and the
like to do the screens.
A standalone controller, the 7171 also did that as well.
On the 9121 mainframes there was a 68000 equipped board and subsystem
called the Hyfas that did the same directly from boards in the 9121
chassis.
IBM disclosed Ultimate on a method to bypass the 3270 software and do
direct I/O for byte I/O to use the terminals on all three of these
subsystems like direct attached Ascii terminals.
Also there was a Pick Series one implementation by Pick Blue in Seattle.
I also know that some number of Sears Roebuck stores had Series One
systems for their POS control in each store up to the end of life of
pretty much a real Sears chain, and the product. There was a large
flood of systems at the time that the IBM POS systems were converted
to some other backend system (I didn't track what the replacement
configuration was).
I've not set foot in a Sears store in 30 years due to them screwing me
in 1976, so don't know much about any of their gear since, but I am
pretty sure on the Series One from some people who acquired systems at
that time, in the early 90s.
6:21 p.m.
On 11/22/2016 2:56 PM, Paul Berger wrote:
The channel adapter on the Series/1 had a rather large flaw, if you
did not disable the interface before shutting down the Series/1 it
would upset the channel it was attached to causing a flurry of channel
checks that could bring the host system to its knees. When I worked
in the IBM Toronto Lab we had two channel attached Series/1 machines
with 72MD diskette units that we used to create diskettes from images
sent to us and also to send diskette images. These Series/1s
pretended to be a 3270 control unit so that the MVS host system knew
how to talk to them.
the Ultimate system was the only Non IBM written supervisor /
system
that ran on mainframes at the time. The supervisor or in Pick terms,
Monitor handled such things with code specific to Pick. I don't know
that it would have caused the system to stop, but I'd doubt it, as we
had a complete setup to test it with, and running with parts turned off
after system boot would have been tested.
All of the channels, 7171, Series 1, and Hyfas channels were all run in
a different mode than most anywhere in IBM, though I understand the mode
was supported w/o firmware mods on all systems. I'd have loved to have
heard the L2 and L3 calls if anyone called with complaints though. Our
support contract with IBM essentially made us L3 for everything we had,
but we had access to all PMR's as well as PMR's filed against systems
with our software. I say to all PMR's as the access has vastly
narrowed, but we had access for supporting our own VM/SP, so we could
search for problems and get APARs.
All of our systems were hooked up via a channel switch to three systems,
a 4381, 9121, and a 9370. All had some dedicated DASD, but unique items
such as a couple of tape drives, the 7171, and the Series one were all
on the switch to be moved to each system to see what happened.
We also conned IBM into a CHIM as well as set of hardware and software
to enable Microchannel machines to be either a channel, or to run
channel attached hardware.
Also, note that Mike Ross has a CHIM, which I am not sure he knows is a
CHIM.
http://www.corestore.org/360tester-1.jpg
At least the box we had matched this. We were hoping that IBM would
forget it when we started to get where our facility would shut down, as
we were the only account left in Orange County with 370 or 360 channels,
but the found it.
Also had a custom instruction trace firmware for the 4381 for being able
to trace some performances with deposits into lower memory.
thanks
Jim
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