3 Nov
2017
3 Nov
'17
7:10 a.m.
The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which seems to
have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is anyone from
that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know them?
http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character-Set-Ge
neration/
Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual?
Marc
3 Nov
3 Nov
10:41 a.m.
Marc,
They seem to have a big collection of Manuals but no intention of scanning
them, or making them available other than on personal request. I am in the
UK but have never been. Let me e-mail and ask.
Dave
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Subject: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which
seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is
anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know
them?
http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character-
Set-Ge
neration/
Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual?
Marc
5:37 p.m.
Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to view on
three days notice
Dave
On 3 Nov 2017 10:41, "Dave Wade" <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
Marc,
They seem to have a big collection of Manuals but no intention of scanning
them, or making them available other than on personal request. I am in the
UK but have never been. Let me e-mail and ask.
Dave
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CuriousMarc via cctalk
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Subject: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which
seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is
anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know
them?
http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character-
Set-Ge
neration/
Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual?
Marc
4 Nov
4 Nov
4:50 a.m.
Dave,
Thank you so much for enquiring. Not an uncommon problem, scanning (and even just
cataloging) is so resource intensive. Well, at least they cataloged it properly and made
the entry available on the web, so we should be grateful for that. Is someone in the UK
close enough to go view it and take pictures of the pages? Would be nice if they could
consider lending it to another institution or a researcher for scanning (CHM,
hpmuseum.net, come to mind).
Marc
From: Dave Wade [mailto:dave.g4ugm at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 10:38 AM
To: CuriousMarc; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: RE: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to view on three days
notice
Dave
On 3 Nov 2017 10:41, "Dave Wade" <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
Marc,
They seem to have a big collection of Manuals but no intention of scanning
them, or making them available other than on personal request. I am in the
UK but have never been. Let me e-mail and ask.
Dave
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CuriousMarc via cctalk
Sent: 03 November 2017 07:10
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which
seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is
anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know
them?
http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character-
Set-Ge
neration/
Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual?
Marc
12 Nov
12 Nov
6:59 p.m.
Dave,
The UK Museum responded to my email inquiry, and went through the effort of scanning their
document and sending it to me. I'll forward it to David and Al for completeness.
Marc
From: Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>
Date: Friday, November 3, 2017 at 10:37 AM
Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to view on three days
notice
Dave
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Subject: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which
seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is
anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know
them?
http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character-
Set-Ge
neration/
Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual?
Marc
8 Nov
8 Nov
8:56 a.m.
On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, CuriousMarc wrote:
The link below is from the computer museum in
Cambridge, UK, which seems to
have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is anyone from
that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know them?
http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character-Set-Ge
neration/
Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual?
I not only have a copy, I have the original of the manual (along with tons
of other stuff like microcode listings etc. for the 264x series).
I will scan it these days and make it online - for free in contrast to
the Cambridge guys :-)
Christian
10:06 a.m.
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Subject: Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, CuriousMarc wrote:
of
The link below is from the computer museum in
Cambridge, UK, which
seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for.
Is anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members
know them?
Character-
Set-Ge
neration/
Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual?
I not only have a copy, I have the original of the manual (along with tons other stuff like microcode listings etc. for the 264x
series).
I will scan it these days and make it online - for free in contrast to the
Cambridge guys :-)
Christian
With respect , you can view it in person for the price of admission. They
also say that limited resources mean they have no timescale for this.
In the UK being a small museum is a challenge. Many years ago "the
government" said that any museum that was government supported had to be
free to enter, otherwise their funding would stop.
As a result, the BIG museums such as the Science Museum became free to enter
and get government funding.
This puts smaller museums in a very difficult situation. They don't get any
funding, non is available, so realistically they have to charge for
admission, which means they have problems competing for footfall.
At least they have made their collection index available so you can see what
they have, and you can go and see it on request.
Contrast this with The National Museum of Computing (which is not nationally
funded) or the Science Museum Group (which is nationally funded). Both have
large numbers of objects which are not catalogued and/or not available to
see.
So I know that the Science Museum Group has a set of PDP8 diagnostic tapes,
I have seen and photographed them, but they are not available to view, less
still read...
Dave
9 Nov
9 Nov
12:54 a.m.
Christian,
Awesome! The microcode listings would be fantastic too, as I also have a
2749 (which you are supposed to be able to program in assembly)! Let us know
of the link! And may I add, price is right :-)
Marc
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To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, CuriousMarc wrote:
The link below is from the computer museum in
Cambridge, UK, which
seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for.
Is anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know
them?
http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character-
Set-Ge
neration/
Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual?
I not only have a copy, I have the original of the manual (along with tons
of other stuff like microcode listings etc. for the 264x series).
I will scan it these days and make it online - for free in contrast to the
Cambridge guys :-)
Christian
9:55 a.m.
On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, CuriousMarc wrote:
Awesome! The microcode listings would be fantastic
too, as I also have a
2749 (which you are supposed to be able to program in assembly)! Let us know
The firmware is already on bitsavers, IIRC. But you can program every 264x
terminal in assembly. There are some games like Pong, Space Invaders etc.
for these terminals, both for the i8008 based 2640/2644 and the i8080
based 2645/2648. These terminals all have a special control code sequence
to load a binary file (either from tape or from the serial line) into
memory and start executing. It is "<ESC> & b".
A short description and sample program for the 8008 based terminals can
be found here:
http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/dev_en/hp2644/diag.html
Christian
12:39 p.m.
2017-11-09 10:55 GMT+01:00 Christian Corti via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org
:
On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, CuriousMarc wrote:
Very interesting! I have a 2640 which I recently refurbished the screen on
and it runs happily and then a 2645 that still needs treatment for the
screen rot. Is the binaries for pong and space invaders downloadable
somewhere? I searched the usual places, but haven't found anything. It
would be interesting to test this binary download mode.
Awesome! The microcode listings would be
fantastic too, as I also have a
2749 (which you are supposed to be able to program in assembly)! Let us
know
The firmware is already on bitsavers, IIRC. But you can program every 264x
terminal in assembly. There are some games like Pong, Space Invaders etc.
for these terminals, both for the i8008 based 2640/2644 and the i8080 based
2645/2648. These terminals all have a special control code sequence to load
a binary file (either from tape or from the serial line) into memory and
start executing. It is "<ESC> & b".
A short description and sample program for the 8008 based terminals can be
found here:
http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/dev_en/hp2644/diag.html
Christian
/Mattis
2:37 p.m.
On Thu, 9 Nov 2017, Mattis Lind wrote:
Very interesting! I have a 2640 which I recently
refurbished the screen on
and it runs happily and then a 2645 that still needs treatment for the
screen rot. Is the binaries for pong and space invaders downloadable
somewhere? I searched the usual places, but haven't found anything. It
would be interesting to test this binary download mode.
Sure, the files are on our FTP server:
ftp://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/hp/hp2644 and .../hp2648
Christian
2:29 p.m.
The manual has been scanned and is on our FTP server:
ftp://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/hp/hp2648/13245-90001_2640SeriesCharacterSetGeneration_Oct1975.pdf
Enjoy :-)
@Al: you may push it to bitsavers
Christian
8:19 p.m.
I?ll put it on www.hpmuseum.net as well so we have at least 2 sources...thanks for doing
this!
David Collins
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On 10 Nov 2017, at 1:29 am, Christian Corti via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
The manual has been scanned and is on our FTP server:
ftp://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/hp/hp2648/13245-90001_2640SeriesCharacterSetGeneration_Oct1975.pdf
Enjoy :-)
@Al: you may push it to bitsavers
Christian
8:35 p.m.
And FYI... bitsavers is mirrored multiple places, so if it is at bitsavers, it's
already got multiple sources.
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